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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH v2 6/7] qed: Read/write support
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:10:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CB5BDD1.8050409@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101013140715.GF8998@stefan-thinkpad.transitives.com>

  On 10/13/2010 04:07 PM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 03:50:00PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> >   On 10/13/2010 03:24 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> >  >On 10/13/2010 08:07 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> >  >>Am 13.10.2010 14:13, schrieb Stefan Hajnoczi:
> >  >>>We can avoid it when a backing image is not used.  Your idea to check
> >  >>>for zeroes in the backing image is neat too, it may well reduce the
> >  >>>common case even for backing images.
> >  >>The additional requirement is that we're extending the file and not
> >  >>reusing an old cluster. (And bdrv_has_zero_init() == true, but QED
> >  >>doesn't work on host_devices anyway)
> >  >
> >  >Yes, that's a good point.
> >  >
> >  >BTW, I think we've decided that making it work on host_devices is
> >  >not that bad.
> >  >
> >  >We can add an additional feature called QED_F_PHYSICAL_SIZE.
> >  >
> >  >This feature will add another field to the header that contains an
> >  >offset immediately following the last cluster allocation.
> >  >
> >  >During a metadata scan, we can accurately recreate this field so
> >  >we only need to update this field whenever we clear the header
> >  >dirty bit (which means during an fsync()).
> >
> >  If you make QED_F_PHYSICAL_SIZE an autoclear bit, you don't need the
> >  header dirty bit.
>
> Do you mean we just need to check the physical size header field against
> the actual file size?  If the two are different, then a consistency
> check is forced.

I thought you'd only use a header size field when you don't have a real 
file size.  Why do you need both?

> >  >
> >  >That means we can maintain the physical size without introducing
> >  >additional fsync()s in the allocation path.  Since we're already
> >  >writing out the header anyway, the write operation is basically
> >  >free too.
> >
> >  I don't see how it is free.  It's an extra write.  The good news is
> >  that it's very easy to amortize.
>
> We only need to update the header field on disk when we're already
> updating the header, so it's not even an extra write operation.

Why would you ever update the header, apart from relocating L1 for some 
reason?

-- 
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-10-13 14:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-08 15:48 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 0/7] qed: Add QEMU Enhanced Disk format Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 1/7] qcow2: Make get_bits_from_size() common Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-08 18:01   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 2/7] cutils: Add bytes_to_str() to format byte values Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 11:09   ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2010-10-13  9:15   ` [Qemu-devel] " Markus Armbruster
2010-10-13  9:28     ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-13 10:58       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-13 10:25   ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 3/7] docs: Add QED image format specification Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-10  9:20   ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 10:09     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 13:04       ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 13:42         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 13:44           ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 14:06             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 14:12               ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 15:02             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 15:24               ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 15:41                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 15:47                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 14:54         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 14:58           ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 15:49             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 16:02               ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 16:10                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-12 10:25                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 13:58   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-11 15:30     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 15:39       ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 15:46         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 16:18           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 17:14             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-12  8:07               ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-12 13:16                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-12 13:32                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 15:50       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 4/7] qed: Add QEMU Enhanced Disk image format Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 15:16   ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 5/7] qed: Table, L2 cache, and cluster functions Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-12 14:44   ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2010-10-13 13:41     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 6/7] qed: Read/write support Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-10  9:10   ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 10:37     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 13:10       ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 13:55         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 14:57         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-12 15:08   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-12 15:22     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-12 15:39       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-12 15:59         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-12 16:16           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-12 16:21             ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-13 12:13             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-13 13:07               ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-13 13:24                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-13 13:50                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-13 14:07                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-13 14:08                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-13 14:10                       ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2010-10-13 14:11                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-13 14:16                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-13 14:53                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-13 15:08                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-13 15:42                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-14 11:06                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-13 14:10                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 7/7] qed: Consistency check support Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH v2 0/7] qed: Add QEMU Enhanced Disk format Kevin Wolf
2010-10-11 15:37   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-16  7:51 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi

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