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* [PATCH 08/16 v2] pramfs: headers
@ 2010-11-06  8:58 Marco Stornelli
  2010-11-07 20:09 ` Ryan Mallon
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Marco Stornelli @ 2010-11-06  8:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Linux Kernel; +Cc: Linux Embedded, Linux FS Devel, Tim Bird, Andrew Morton

From: Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>

Definitions for the PRAMFS filesystem.

Signed-off-by: Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
---
diff -Nurp linux-2.6.36-orig/fs/pramfs/pram.h linux-2.6.36/fs/pramfs/pram.h
--- linux-2.6.36-orig/fs/pramfs/pram.h	1970-01-01 01:00:00.000000000 +0100
+++ linux-2.6.36/fs/pramfs/pram.h	2010-10-30 12:02:45.000000000 +0200
@@ -0,0 +1,317 @@
+/*
+ * FILE NAME pram.h
+ *
+ * BRIEF DESCRIPTION
+ *
+ * Definitions for the PRAMFS filesystem.
+ *
+ * Copyright 2009-2010 Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
+ * Copyright 2003 Sony Corporation
+ * Copyright 2003 Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
+ * 2003-2004 (c) MontaVista Software, Inc. , Steve Longerbeam
+ * This file is licensed under the terms of the GNU General Public
+ * License version 2. This program is licensed "as is" without any
+ * warranty of any kind, whether express or implied.
+ */
+#ifndef __PRAM_H
+#define __PRAM_H
+
+#include <linux/buffer_head.h>
+#include <linux/pram_fs.h>
+#include <linux/pram_fs_sb.h>
+#include <linux/crc16.h>
+#include <linux/mutex.h>
+#include <linux/types.h>
+
+/*
+ * Debug code
+ */
+#define pram_dbg(s, args...)	pr_debug("PRAMFS: "s, ## args)
+#define pram_err(s, args...)	pr_err("PRAMFS: "s, ## args)
+#define pram_warn(s, args...)	pr_warning("PRAMFS: "s, ## args)
+#define pram_info(s, args...)	pr_info("PRAMFS: "s, ## args)
+
+/* Function Prototypes */
+
+#ifdef CONFIG_PRAMFS_XIP
+
+#define pram_read	xip_file_read
+#define pram_write	xip_file_write
+#define pram_mmap	xip_file_mmap
+#define pram_aio_read	NULL
+#define pram_aio_write	NULL
+#define pram_readpage	NULL
+#define pram_direct_IO	NULL
+
+#else
+
+#define pram_read	do_sync_read
+#define pram_write	do_sync_write
+#define pram_mmap	__pram_mmap
+#define pram_aio_read	generic_file_aio_read
+#define pram_aio_write	generic_file_aio_write
+#define pram_direct_IO	__pram_direct_IO
+#define pram_readpage	__pram_readpage
+
+extern int pram_get_and_update_block(struct inode *inode, sector_t iblock,
+				     struct buffer_head *bh, int create);
+
+static inline int __pram_readpage(struct file *file, struct page *page)
+{
+	return block_read_full_page(page, pram_get_and_update_block);
+}
+
+/* file.c */
+extern ssize_t __pram_direct_IO(int rw, struct kiocb *iocb,
+			  const struct iovec *iov,
+			  loff_t offset, unsigned long nr_segs);
+
+
+#endif /* CONFIG_PRAMFS_XIP */
+
+#define pram_set_bit			ext2_set_bit
+#define pram_clear_bit			ext2_clear_bit
+#define pram_find_next_zero_bit		ext2_find_next_zero_bit
+
+/* balloc.c */
+extern void pram_init_bitmap(struct super_block *sb);
+extern void pram_free_block(struct super_block *sb, unsigned long blocknr);
+extern int pram_new_block(struct super_block *sb, unsigned long *blocknr, int zero);
+extern unsigned long pram_count_free_blocks(struct super_block *sb);
+
+/* dir.c */
+extern int pram_add_link(struct dentry *dentry, struct inode *inode);
+extern int pram_remove_link(struct inode *inode);
+
+/* namei.c */
+extern struct dentry *pram_get_parent(struct dentry *child);
+
+/* inode.c */
+extern int pram_alloc_blocks(struct inode *inode, int file_blocknr, int num);
+extern u64 pram_find_data_block(struct inode *inode,
+					 int file_blocknr);
+
+extern struct inode *pram_iget(struct super_block *sb, unsigned long ino);
+extern void pram_put_inode(struct inode *inode);
+extern void pram_evict_inode(struct inode *inode);
+extern struct inode *pram_new_inode(struct inode *dir, int mode);
+extern int pram_update_inode(struct inode *inode);
+extern int pram_write_inode(struct inode *inode, struct writeback_control *wbc);
+extern void pram_dirty_inode(struct inode *inode);
+extern int pram_notify_change(struct dentry *dentry, struct iattr *attr);
+
+
+/* super.c */
+#ifdef CONFIG_PRAMFS_TEST
+extern struct pram_super_block *get_pram_super(void);
+#endif
+extern struct super_block *pram_read_super(struct super_block *sb,
+					      void *data,
+					      int silent);
+extern int pram_statfs(struct dentry *d, struct kstatfs *buf);
+extern int pram_remount(struct super_block *sb, int *flags, char *data);
+
+/* symlink.c */
+extern int pram_block_symlink(struct inode *inode,
+			       const char *symname, int len);
+
+
+#ifdef CONFIG_PRAMFS_WRITE_PROTECT
+extern void pram_writeable(void *vaddr, unsigned long size, int rw);
+
+#define wrprotect(addr, size) pram_writeable(addr, size, 0)
+
+#else
+
+#define wrprotect(addr, size) do {} while (0)
+
+#endif /* CONFIG PRAMFS_WRITE_PROTECT */
+
+/* Inline functions start here */
+
+static inline int pram_calc_checksum(u8 *data, int n)
+{
+	u16 crc = 0;
+	crc = crc16(~0, (__u8 *)data + sizeof(__be16), n - sizeof(__be16));
+	if (*((__be16 *)data) == cpu_to_be16(crc))
+		return 0;
+	else
+		return 1;
+}
+
+/* If this is part of a read-modify-write of the super block,
+   pram_memunlock_super() before calling! */
+static inline struct pram_super_block *
+pram_get_super(struct super_block *sb)
+{
+	struct pram_sb_info *sbi = (struct pram_sb_info *)sb->s_fs_info;
+	return (struct pram_super_block *)sbi->virt_addr;
+}
+
+static inline struct pram_super_block *
+pram_get_redund_super(struct super_block *sb)
+{
+	struct pram_sb_info *sbi = (struct pram_sb_info *)sb->s_fs_info;
+	return (struct pram_super_block *)(sbi->virt_addr + PRAM_SB_SIZE);
+}
+
+/* pram_memunlock_super() before calling! */
+static inline void pram_sync_super(struct pram_super_block *ps)
+{
+	u16 crc = 0;
+	ps->s_wtime = cpu_to_be32(get_seconds());
+	ps->s_sum = 0;
+	crc = crc16(~0, (__u8 *)ps + sizeof(__be16), PRAM_SB_SIZE - sizeof(__be16));
+	ps->s_sum = cpu_to_be16(crc);
+	/* Keep sync redundant super block */
+	memcpy((void *)ps + PRAM_SB_SIZE, (void *)ps, PRAM_SB_SIZE);
+}
+
+/* pram_memunlock_inode() before calling! */
+static inline void pram_sync_inode(struct pram_inode *pi)
+{
+	u16 crc = 0;
+	pi->i_sum = 0;
+	crc = crc16(~0, (__u8 *)pi + sizeof(__be16), PRAM_INODE_SIZE - sizeof(__be16));
+	pi->i_sum = cpu_to_be16(crc);
+}
+
+#ifdef CONFIG_PRAMFS_WRITE_PROTECT
+static inline void pram_memunlock_range(void *p, unsigned long len)
+{
+#ifndef CONFIG_X86
+	local_irq_disable();
+#endif
+	preempt_disable();
+	pram_writeable(p, len, 1);
+}
+
+static inline void pram_memlock_range(void *p, unsigned long len)
+{
+	pram_writeable(p, len, 0);
+	preempt_enable();
+#ifndef CONFIG_X86
+	local_irq_enable();
+#endif
+}
+#else
+static inline void pram_memunlock_range(void *p, unsigned long len) {}
+static inline void pram_memlock_range(void *p, unsigned long len) {}
+#endif
+
+/* write protection for super block */
+#define pram_memunlock_super(ps) \
+	pram_memunlock_range((ps), PRAM_SB_SIZE)
+#define pram_memlock_super(ps) {\
+	pram_sync_super(ps);\
+	pram_memlock_range((ps), PRAM_SB_SIZE);\
+}
+
+/* write protection for inode metadata */
+#define pram_memunlock_inode(pi) \
+	pram_memunlock_range((pi), PRAM_INODE_SIZE)
+#define pram_memlock_inode(pi) {\
+	pram_sync_inode(pi);\
+	pram_memlock_range((pi), PRAM_INODE_SIZE);\
+}
+
+/* write protection for a data block */
+#define pram_memunlock_block(sb, bp) \
+	pram_memunlock_range((bp), (sb)->s_blocksize)
+#define pram_memlock_block(sb, bp) \
+	pram_memlock_range((bp), (sb)->s_blocksize)
+
+static inline void *
+pram_get_bitmap(struct super_block *sb)
+{
+	struct pram_super_block *ps = pram_get_super(sb);
+	return (void *)ps + be64_to_cpu(ps->s_bitmap_start);
+}
+
+/* If this is part of a read-modify-write of the inode metadata,
+   pram_memunlock_inode() before calling! */
+static inline struct pram_inode *
+pram_get_inode(struct super_block *sb, u64 ino)
+{
+	struct pram_super_block *ps = pram_get_super(sb);
+	return ino ? (struct pram_inode *)((void *)ps + ino) : NULL;
+}
+
+static inline ino_t
+pram_get_inodenr(struct super_block *sb, struct pram_inode *pi)
+{
+	struct pram_super_block *ps = pram_get_super(sb);
+	return (ino_t)((unsigned long)pi - (unsigned long)ps);
+}
+
+static inline u64
+pram_get_block_off(struct super_block *sb, unsigned long blocknr)
+{
+	struct pram_super_block *ps = pram_get_super(sb);
+	return (u64)(be64_to_cpu(ps->s_bitmap_start) +
+			     (blocknr << sb->s_blocksize_bits));
+}
+
+static inline unsigned long
+pram_get_blocknr(struct super_block *sb, u64 block)
+{
+	struct pram_super_block *ps = pram_get_super(sb);
+	return (block - be64_to_cpu(ps->s_bitmap_start)) >> sb->s_blocksize_bits;
+}
+
+/* If this is part of a read-modify-write of the block,
+   pram_memunlock_block() before calling! */
+static inline void *
+pram_get_block(struct super_block *sb, u64 block)
+{
+	struct pram_super_block *ps = pram_get_super(sb);
+	return block ? ((void *)ps + block) : NULL;
+}
+
+struct pram_inode_vfs {
+#ifdef CONFIG_PRAMFS_XATTR
+	/*
+	 * Extended attributes can be read independently of the main file
+	 * data. Taking i_mutex even when reading would cause contention
+	 * between readers of EAs and writers of regular file data, so
+	 * instead we synchronize on xattr_sem when reading or changing
+	 * EAs.
+	 */
+	struct rw_semaphore xattr_sem;
+#endif
+	/*
+	 * truncate_mutex is for serialising the truncate path against
+	 * get/update block.
+	 */
+	struct mutex truncate_mutex;
+	struct inode vfs_inode;
+};
+
+static inline struct pram_inode_vfs *PRAM_I(struct inode *inode)
+{
+	return container_of(inode, struct pram_inode_vfs, vfs_inode);
+}
+
+/*
+ * Inodes and files operations
+ */
+
+/* dir.c */
+extern struct file_operations pram_dir_operations;
+
+/* file.c */
+extern struct inode_operations pram_file_inode_operations;
+extern struct file_operations pram_file_operations;
+
+/* inode.c */
+extern struct address_space_operations pram_aops;
+
+/* namei.c */
+extern struct inode_operations pram_dir_inode_operations;
+
+/* symlink.c */
+extern struct inode_operations pram_symlink_inode_operations;
+
+extern struct backing_dev_info pram_backing_dev_info;
+
+#endif	/* __PRAM_H */
diff -Nurp linux-2.6.36-orig/include/linux/magic.h linux-2.6.36/include/linux/magic.h
--- linux-2.6.36-orig/include/linux/magic.h	2010-09-13 01:07:37.000000000 +0200
+++ linux-2.6.36/include/linux/magic.h	2010-09-14 18:49:52.000000000 +0200
@@ -39,6 +39,7 @@
 #define OPENPROM_SUPER_MAGIC	0x9fa1
 #define PROC_SUPER_MAGIC	0x9fa0
 #define QNX4_SUPER_MAGIC	0x002f		/* qnx4 fs detection */
+#define PRAM_SUPER_MAGIC	0xEFFA
  #define REISERFS_SUPER_MAGIC	0x52654973	/* used by gcc */
 					/* used by file system utilities that
diff -Nurp linux-2.6.36-orig/include/linux/pram_fs.h linux-2.6.36/include/linux/pram_fs.h
--- linux-2.6.36-orig/include/linux/pram_fs.h	1970-01-01 01:00:00.000000000 +0100
+++ linux-2.6.36/include/linux/pram_fs.h	2010-09-25 14:10:14.000000000 +0200
@@ -0,0 +1,118 @@
+/*
+ * FILE NAME include/linux/pram_fs.h
+ *
+ * BRIEF DESCRIPTION
+ *
+ * Definitions for the PRAMFS filesystem.
+ *
+ * Copyright 2009-2010 Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
+ * Copyright 2003 Sony Corporation
+ * Copyright 2003 Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
+ * 2003-2004 (c) MontaVista Software, Inc. , Steve Longerbeam
+ * This file is licensed under the terms of the GNU General Public
+ * License version 2. This program is licensed "as is" without any
+ * warranty of any kind, whether express or implied.
+ */
+#ifndef _LINUX_PRAM_FS_H
+#define _LINUX_PRAM_FS_H
+
+#include <linux/types.h>
+#include <linux/magic.h>
+
+/*
+ * The PRAM filesystem constants/structures
+ */
+
+/*
+ * Maximal count of links to a file
+ */
+#define PRAM_LINK_MAX		32000
+
+#define PRAM_MIN_BLOCK_SIZE 512
+#define PRAM_MAX_BLOCK_SIZE 4096
+#define PRAM_DEF_BLOCK_SIZE 2048
+
+#define PRAM_INODE_SIZE 128 /* must be power of two */
+#define PRAM_INODE_BITS   7
+
+/*
+ * Structure of a directory entry in PRAMFS.
+ * Offsets are to the inode that holds the referenced dentry.
+ */
+struct pram_dentry {
+	__be64	d_next;     /* next dentry in this directory */
+	__be64	d_prev;     /* previous dentry in this directory */
+	__be64	d_parent;   /* parent directory */
+	char	d_name[0];
+};
+
+
+/*
+ * Structure of an inode in PRAMFS
+ */
+struct pram_inode {
+	__be16	i_sum;          /* checksum of this inode */
+	__be32	i_uid;		/* Owner Uid */
+	__be32	i_gid;		/* Group Id */
+	__be16	i_mode;		/* File mode */
+	__be16	i_links_count;	/* Links count */
+	__be32	i_blocks;	/* Blocks count */
+	__be32	i_size;		/* Size of data in bytes */
+	__be32	i_atime;	/* Access time */
+	__be32	i_ctime;	/* Creation time */
+	__be32	i_mtime;	/* Modification time */
+	__be32	i_dtime;	/* Deletion Time */
+	__be64	i_xattr;	/* Extended attribute block */
+	__be32	i_generation;	/* File version (for NFS) */
+
+	union {
+		struct {
+			/*
+			 * ptr to row block of 2D block pointer array,
+			 * file block #'s 0 to (blocksize/8)^2 - 1.
+			 */
+			__be64 row_block;
+		} reg;   /* regular file or symlink inode */
+		struct {
+			__be64 head; /* first entry in this directory */
+			__be64 tail; /* last entry in this directory */
+		} dir;
+		struct {
+			__be32 rdev; /* major/minor # */
+		} dev;   /* device inode */
+	} i_type;
+
+	struct pram_dentry i_d;
+};
+
+#define PRAM_NAME_LEN \
+    (PRAM_INODE_SIZE - offsetof(struct pram_inode, i_d.d_name) - 1)
+
+
+#define PRAM_SB_SIZE 128 /* must be power of two */
+
+/*
+ * Structure of the super block in PRAMFS
+ */
+struct pram_super_block {
+	__be16	s_sum;          /* checksum of this sb, including padding */
+	__be64	s_size;         /* total size of fs in bytes */
+	__be32	s_blocksize;    /* blocksize in bytes */
+	__be32	s_inodes_count;	/* total inodes count (used or free) */
+	__be32	s_free_inodes_count;/* free inodes count */
+	__be32	s_free_inode_hint;  /* start hint for locating free inodes */
+	__be32	s_blocks_count;	/* total data blocks count (used or free) */
+	__be32	s_free_blocks_count;/* free data blocks count */
+	__be32	s_free_blocknr_hint;/* free data blocks count */
+	__be64	s_bitmap_start; /* data block in-use bitmap location */
+	__be32	s_bitmap_blocks;/* size of bitmap in number of blocks */
+	__be32	s_mtime;	/* Mount time */
+	__be32	s_wtime;	/* Write time */
+	__be16	s_magic;	/* Magic signature */
+	char	s_volume_name[16]; /* volume name */
+};
+
+/* The root inode follows immediately after the redundant super block */
+#define PRAM_ROOT_INO (PRAM_SB_SIZE*2)
+
+#endif	/* _LINUX_PRAM_FS_H */
diff -Nurp linux-2.6.36-orig/include/linux/pram_fs_sb.h linux-2.6.36/include/linux/pram_fs_sb.h
--- linux-2.6.36-orig/include/linux/pram_fs_sb.h	1970-01-01 01:00:00.000000000 +0100
+++ linux-2.6.36/include/linux/pram_fs_sb.h	2010-09-18 08:39:39.000000000 +0200
@@ -0,0 +1,44 @@
+/*
+ * FILE NAME include/linux/pram_fs_sb.h
+ *
+ * Definitions for the PRAM filesystem.
+ *
+ * Copyright 2009-2010 Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
+ * Copyright 2003 Sony Corporation
+ * Copyright 2003 Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
+ * 2003-2004 (c) MontaVista Software, Inc. , Steve Longerbeam
+ * This file is licensed under the terms of the GNU General Public
+ * License version 2. This program is licensed "as is" without any
+ * warranty of any kind, whether express or implied.
+ */
+
+#ifndef _LINUX_PRAM_FS_SB
+#define _LINUX_PRAM_FS_SB
+
+/*
+ * PRAM filesystem super-block data in memory
+ */
+struct pram_sb_info {
+	/*
+	 * base physical and virtual address of PRAMFS (which is also
+	 * the pointer to the super block)
+	 */
+	phys_addr_t phys_addr;
+	void *virt_addr;
+
+	/* Mount options */
+	unsigned long bpi;
+	unsigned long num_inodes;
+	unsigned long blocksize;
+	unsigned long initsize;
+	uid_t uid;		    /* Mount uid for root directory */
+	gid_t gid;		    /* Mount gid for root directory */
+	mode_t mode;		    /* Mount mode for root directory */
+	atomic_t next_generation;
+#ifdef CONFIG_PRAMFS_XATTR
+	struct rb_root desc_tree;
+	spinlock_t desc_tree_lock;
+#endif
+};
+
+#endif	/* _LINUX_PRAM_FS_SB */
 

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* Re: [PATCH 08/16 v2] pramfs: headers
  2010-11-06  8:58 [PATCH 08/16 v2] pramfs: headers Marco Stornelli
@ 2010-11-07 20:09 ` Ryan Mallon
  2010-11-08  7:49   ` Marco Stornelli
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Ryan Mallon @ 2010-11-07 20:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Marco Stornelli
  Cc: Linux Kernel, Linux Embedded, Linux FS Devel, Tim Bird, Andrew Morton

On 11/06/2010 09:58 PM, Marco Stornelli wrote:
> From: Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
> 
> Definitions for the PRAMFS filesystem.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
> ---
> diff -Nurp linux-2.6.36-orig/fs/pramfs/pram.h linux-2.6.36/fs/pramfs/pram.h
> --- linux-2.6.36-orig/fs/pramfs/pram.h	1970-01-01 01:00:00.000000000 +0100
> +++ linux-2.6.36/fs/pramfs/pram.h	2010-10-30 12:02:45.000000000 +0200
> @@ -0,0 +1,317 @@

> +/*
> + * Structure of the super block in PRAMFS
> + */
> +struct pram_super_block {
> +	__be16	s_sum;          /* checksum of this sb, including padding */
> +	__be64	s_size;         /* total size of fs in bytes */
> +	__be32	s_blocksize;    /* blocksize in bytes */
> +	__be32	s_inodes_count;	/* total inodes count (used or free) */
> +	__be32	s_free_inodes_count;/* free inodes count */
> +	__be32	s_free_inode_hint;  /* start hint for locating free inodes */
> +	__be32	s_blocks_count;	/* total data blocks count (used or free) */
> +	__be32	s_free_blocks_count;/* free data blocks count */
> +	__be32	s_free_blocknr_hint;/* free data blocks count */
> +	__be64	s_bitmap_start; /* data block in-use bitmap location */
> +	__be32	s_bitmap_blocks;/* size of bitmap in number of blocks */
> +	__be32	s_mtime;	/* Mount time */
> +	__be32	s_wtime;	/* Write time */
> +	__be16	s_magic;	/* Magic signature */
> +	char	s_volume_name[16]; /* volume name */
> +};

Is there a particular reason to use big endian types for the data
structures? On a little endian machine you will end up converting values
everywhere. I assume that you don't expect the machine to change
endianess between reboots :-). If this is for generating/reading
filesystems from userspace, wouldn't it be better to have the userspace
tools specify the target endianess and do the conversions there?

~Ryan

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* Re: [PATCH 08/16 v2] pramfs: headers
  2010-11-07 20:09 ` Ryan Mallon
@ 2010-11-08  7:49   ` Marco Stornelli
  2010-11-08 19:50     ` Ryan Mallon
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Marco Stornelli @ 2010-11-08  7:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ryan Mallon
  Cc: Linux Kernel, Linux Embedded, Linux FS Devel, Tim Bird, Andrew Morton

2010/11/7 Ryan Mallon <ryan@bluewatersys.com>:
> On 11/06/2010 09:58 PM, Marco Stornelli wrote:
>> From: Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
>>
>> Definitions for the PRAMFS filesystem.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
>> ---
>> diff -Nurp linux-2.6.36-orig/fs/pramfs/pram.h linux-2.6.36/fs/pramfs/pram.h
>> --- linux-2.6.36-orig/fs/pramfs/pram.h        1970-01-01 01:00:00.000000000 +0100
>> +++ linux-2.6.36/fs/pramfs/pram.h     2010-10-30 12:02:45.000000000 +0200
>> @@ -0,0 +1,317 @@
>
>> +/*
>> + * Structure of the super block in PRAMFS
>> + */
>> +struct pram_super_block {
>> +     __be16  s_sum;          /* checksum of this sb, including padding */
>> +     __be64  s_size;         /* total size of fs in bytes */
>> +     __be32  s_blocksize;    /* blocksize in bytes */
>> +     __be32  s_inodes_count; /* total inodes count (used or free) */
>> +     __be32  s_free_inodes_count;/* free inodes count */
>> +     __be32  s_free_inode_hint;  /* start hint for locating free inodes */
>> +     __be32  s_blocks_count; /* total data blocks count (used or free) */
>> +     __be32  s_free_blocks_count;/* free data blocks count */
>> +     __be32  s_free_blocknr_hint;/* free data blocks count */
>> +     __be64  s_bitmap_start; /* data block in-use bitmap location */
>> +     __be32  s_bitmap_blocks;/* size of bitmap in number of blocks */
>> +     __be32  s_mtime;        /* Mount time */
>> +     __be32  s_wtime;        /* Write time */
>> +     __be16  s_magic;        /* Magic signature */
>> +     char    s_volume_name[16]; /* volume name */
>> +};
>
> Is there a particular reason to use big endian types for the data
> structures? On a little endian machine you will end up converting values
> everywhere. I assume that you don't expect the machine to change
> endianess between reboots :-). If this is for generating/reading
> filesystems from userspace, wouldn't it be better to have the userspace
> tools specify the target endianess and do the conversions there?
>
> ~Ryan

Yes, there is a reason. In the first review a comment was: the fs must
have a fix endianess layout. This fs is designed for the embedded
world mainly. Since most of cpus used in this case are big-endian, it
means that for typical use case, there is no cost for endianess
conversion.

Marco

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread

* Re: [PATCH 08/16 v2] pramfs: headers
  2010-11-08  7:49   ` Marco Stornelli
@ 2010-11-08 19:50     ` Ryan Mallon
  2010-11-09  8:19       ` Marco Stornelli
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Ryan Mallon @ 2010-11-08 19:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Marco Stornelli
  Cc: Linux Kernel, Linux Embedded, Linux FS Devel, Tim Bird, Andrew Morton

On 11/08/2010 08:49 PM, Marco Stornelli wrote:
> 2010/11/7 Ryan Mallon <ryan@bluewatersys.com>:
>> On 11/06/2010 09:58 PM, Marco Stornelli wrote:
>>> From: Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Definitions for the PRAMFS filesystem.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
>>> ---
>>> diff -Nurp linux-2.6.36-orig/fs/pramfs/pram.h linux-2.6.36/fs/pramfs/pram.h
>>> --- linux-2.6.36-orig/fs/pramfs/pram.h        1970-01-01 01:00:00.000000000 +0100
>>> +++ linux-2.6.36/fs/pramfs/pram.h     2010-10-30 12:02:45.000000000 +0200
>>> @@ -0,0 +1,317 @@
>>
>>> +/*
>>> + * Structure of the super block in PRAMFS
>>> + */
>>> +struct pram_super_block {
>>> +     __be16  s_sum;          /* checksum of this sb, including padding */
>>> +     __be64  s_size;         /* total size of fs in bytes */
>>> +     __be32  s_blocksize;    /* blocksize in bytes */
>>> +     __be32  s_inodes_count; /* total inodes count (used or free) */
>>> +     __be32  s_free_inodes_count;/* free inodes count */
>>> +     __be32  s_free_inode_hint;  /* start hint for locating free inodes */
>>> +     __be32  s_blocks_count; /* total data blocks count (used or free) */
>>> +     __be32  s_free_blocks_count;/* free data blocks count */
>>> +     __be32  s_free_blocknr_hint;/* free data blocks count */
>>> +     __be64  s_bitmap_start; /* data block in-use bitmap location */
>>> +     __be32  s_bitmap_blocks;/* size of bitmap in number of blocks */
>>> +     __be32  s_mtime;        /* Mount time */
>>> +     __be32  s_wtime;        /* Write time */
>>> +     __be16  s_magic;        /* Magic signature */
>>> +     char    s_volume_name[16]; /* volume name */
>>> +};
>>
>> Is there a particular reason to use big endian types for the data
>> structures? On a little endian machine you will end up converting values
>> everywhere. I assume that you don't expect the machine to change
>> endianess between reboots :-). If this is for generating/reading
>> filesystems from userspace, wouldn't it be better to have the userspace
>> tools specify the target endianess and do the conversions there?
>>
>> ~Ryan
> 
> Yes, there is a reason. In the first review a comment was: the fs must
> have a fix endianess layout. This fs is designed for the embedded
> world mainly. Since most of cpus used in this case are big-endian, it
> means that for typical use case, there is no cost for endianess
> conversion.

ARM, which is a large portion of the embedded space, is typically little
endian.

Why does a filesystem need to have a specific endianess layout?
Especially for a highly specialised filesystem like this.

~Ryan

-- 
Bluewater Systems Ltd - ARM Technology Solution Centre

Ryan Mallon         		5 Amuri Park, 404 Barbadoes St
ryan@bluewatersys.com         	PO Box 13 889, Christchurch 8013
http://www.bluewatersys.com	New Zealand
Phone: +64 3 3779127		Freecall: Australia 1800 148 751
Fax:   +64 3 3779135			  USA 1800 261 2934

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread

* Re: [PATCH 08/16 v2] pramfs: headers
  2010-11-08 19:50     ` Ryan Mallon
@ 2010-11-09  8:19       ` Marco Stornelli
  2010-11-09 20:35         ` Ryan Mallon
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Marco Stornelli @ 2010-11-09  8:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ryan Mallon
  Cc: Linux Kernel, Linux Embedded, Linux FS Devel, Tim Bird, Andrew Morton

2010/11/8 Ryan Mallon <ryan@bluewatersys.com>:
> On 11/08/2010 08:49 PM, Marco Stornelli wrote:
>> 2010/11/7 Ryan Mallon <ryan@bluewatersys.com>:
>>> On 11/06/2010 09:58 PM, Marco Stornelli wrote:
>>>> From: Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> Definitions for the PRAMFS filesystem.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
>>>> ---
>>>> diff -Nurp linux-2.6.36-orig/fs/pramfs/pram.h linux-2.6.36/fs/pramfs/pram.h
>>>> --- linux-2.6.36-orig/fs/pramfs/pram.h        1970-01-01 01:00:00.000000000 +0100
>>>> +++ linux-2.6.36/fs/pramfs/pram.h     2010-10-30 12:02:45.000000000 +0200
>>>> @@ -0,0 +1,317 @@
>>>
>>>> +/*
>>>> + * Structure of the super block in PRAMFS
>>>> + */
>>>> +struct pram_super_block {
>>>> +     __be16  s_sum;          /* checksum of this sb, including padding */
>>>> +     __be64  s_size;         /* total size of fs in bytes */
>>>> +     __be32  s_blocksize;    /* blocksize in bytes */
>>>> +     __be32  s_inodes_count; /* total inodes count (used or free) */
>>>> +     __be32  s_free_inodes_count;/* free inodes count */
>>>> +     __be32  s_free_inode_hint;  /* start hint for locating free inodes */
>>>> +     __be32  s_blocks_count; /* total data blocks count (used or free) */
>>>> +     __be32  s_free_blocks_count;/* free data blocks count */
>>>> +     __be32  s_free_blocknr_hint;/* free data blocks count */
>>>> +     __be64  s_bitmap_start; /* data block in-use bitmap location */
>>>> +     __be32  s_bitmap_blocks;/* size of bitmap in number of blocks */
>>>> +     __be32  s_mtime;        /* Mount time */
>>>> +     __be32  s_wtime;        /* Write time */
>>>> +     __be16  s_magic;        /* Magic signature */
>>>> +     char    s_volume_name[16]; /* volume name */
>>>> +};
>>>
>>> Is there a particular reason to use big endian types for the data
>>> structures? On a little endian machine you will end up converting values
>>> everywhere. I assume that you don't expect the machine to change
>>> endianess between reboots :-). If this is for generating/reading
>>> filesystems from userspace, wouldn't it be better to have the userspace
>>> tools specify the target endianess and do the conversions there?
>>>
>>> ~Ryan
>>
>> Yes, there is a reason. In the first review a comment was: the fs must
>> have a fix endianess layout. This fs is designed for the embedded
>> world mainly. Since most of cpus used in this case are big-endian, it
>> means that for typical use case, there is no cost for endianess
>> conversion.
>
> ARM, which is a large portion of the embedded space, is typically little
> endian.

Not always. Indeed, I didn't say *all* cpu used are big-endian.

>
> Why does a filesystem need to have a specific endianess layout?
> Especially for a highly specialised filesystem like this.
>

I didn't agree with it, but in the first review there was more than
one developer that said this thing. The main reason was to read the
format (for example with JTAG) or to create an image with a fix
format. I remember that someone said that there was a similar problem
with jffs2 and the experience tell to us that a fix endianess is
important. At that point I decided to use big-endian. You can see all
the discussion in lkml. The review has been done at June 2009.

Regards,

Marco

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread

* Re: [PATCH 08/16 v2] pramfs: headers
  2010-11-09  8:19       ` Marco Stornelli
@ 2010-11-09 20:35         ` Ryan Mallon
  2010-11-09 20:56             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Ryan Mallon @ 2010-11-09 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Marco Stornelli
  Cc: Linux Kernel, Linux Embedded, Linux FS Devel, Tim Bird, Andrew Morton

On 11/09/2010 09:19 PM, Marco Stornelli wrote:
> 2010/11/8 Ryan Mallon <ryan@bluewatersys.com>:
>> On 11/08/2010 08:49 PM, Marco Stornelli wrote:
>>> 2010/11/7 Ryan Mallon <ryan@bluewatersys.com>:
>>>> On 11/06/2010 09:58 PM, Marco Stornelli wrote:
>>>>> From: Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Definitions for the PRAMFS filesystem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> diff -Nurp linux-2.6.36-orig/fs/pramfs/pram.h linux-2.6.36/fs/pramfs/pram.h
>>>>> --- linux-2.6.36-orig/fs/pramfs/pram.h        1970-01-01 01:00:00.000000000 +0100
>>>>> +++ linux-2.6.36/fs/pramfs/pram.h     2010-10-30 12:02:45.000000000 +0200
>>>>> @@ -0,0 +1,317 @@
>>>>
>>>>> +/*
>>>>> + * Structure of the super block in PRAMFS
>>>>> + */
>>>>> +struct pram_super_block {
>>>>> +     __be16  s_sum;          /* checksum of this sb, including padding */
>>>>> +     __be64  s_size;         /* total size of fs in bytes */
>>>>> +     __be32  s_blocksize;    /* blocksize in bytes */
>>>>> +     __be32  s_inodes_count; /* total inodes count (used or free) */
>>>>> +     __be32  s_free_inodes_count;/* free inodes count */
>>>>> +     __be32  s_free_inode_hint;  /* start hint for locating free inodes */
>>>>> +     __be32  s_blocks_count; /* total data blocks count (used or free) */
>>>>> +     __be32  s_free_blocks_count;/* free data blocks count */
>>>>> +     __be32  s_free_blocknr_hint;/* free data blocks count */
>>>>> +     __be64  s_bitmap_start; /* data block in-use bitmap location */
>>>>> +     __be32  s_bitmap_blocks;/* size of bitmap in number of blocks */
>>>>> +     __be32  s_mtime;        /* Mount time */
>>>>> +     __be32  s_wtime;        /* Write time */
>>>>> +     __be16  s_magic;        /* Magic signature */
>>>>> +     char    s_volume_name[16]; /* volume name */
>>>>> +};
>>>>
>>>> Is there a particular reason to use big endian types for the data
>>>> structures? On a little endian machine you will end up converting values
>>>> everywhere. I assume that you don't expect the machine to change
>>>> endianess between reboots :-). If this is for generating/reading
>>>> filesystems from userspace, wouldn't it be better to have the userspace
>>>> tools specify the target endianess and do the conversions there?
>>>>
>>>> ~Ryan
>>>
>>> Yes, there is a reason. In the first review a comment was: the fs must
>>> have a fix endianess layout. This fs is designed for the embedded
>>> world mainly. Since most of cpus used in this case are big-endian, it
>>> means that for typical use case, there is no cost for endianess
>>> conversion.
>>
>> ARM, which is a large portion of the embedded space, is typically little
>> endian.
> 
> Not always. Indeed, I didn't say *all* cpu used are big-endian.

My point is that little endian embedded machines make up a large portion
of the devices that this filesystem will be useful on. On those devices
it will also have an (unnecessary) conversion overhead.

>>
>> Why does a filesystem need to have a specific endianess layout?
>> Especially for a highly specialised filesystem like this.
>>
> 
> I didn't agree with it, but in the first review there was more than
> one developer that said this thing. The main reason was to read the
> format (for example with JTAG) or to create an image with a fix
> format. I remember that someone said that there was a similar problem
> with jffs2 and the experience tell to us that a fix endianess is
> important. At that point I decided to use big-endian. You can see all
> the discussion in lkml. The review has been done at June 2009.

You can still do all of those things without having a fixed endianess.
You just have to have one extra step of telling the external tools what
the endianess is. IMHO, it is better to have the overhead of the endian
conversion in the tools since it is less costly there than an the
embedded system.

I'm just trying to understand why the fixed endianess rule cannot be
bent for such a specialised filesystem.

~Ryan

-- 
Bluewater Systems Ltd - ARM Technology Solution Centre

Ryan Mallon         		5 Amuri Park, 404 Barbadoes St
ryan@bluewatersys.com         	PO Box 13 889, Christchurch 8013
http://www.bluewatersys.com	New Zealand
Phone: +64 3 3779127		Freecall: Australia 1800 148 751
Fax:   +64 3 3779135			  USA 1800 261 2934

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread

* Re: [PATCH 08/16 v2] pramfs: headers
  2010-11-09 20:35         ` Ryan Mallon
@ 2010-11-09 20:56             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Geert Uytterhoeven @ 2010-11-09 20:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ryan Mallon
  Cc: Marco Stornelli, Linux Kernel, Linux Embedded, Linux FS Devel,
	Tim Bird, Andrew Morton

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 21:35, Ryan Mallon <ryan@bluewatersys.com> wrote:
> On 11/09/2010 09:19 PM, Marco Stornelli wrote:
>> 2010/11/8 Ryan Mallon <ryan@bluewatersys.com>:
>>> On 11/08/2010 08:49 PM, Marco Stornelli wrote:
>>>> 2010/11/7 Ryan Mallon <ryan@bluewatersys.com>:
>>>>> On 11/06/2010 09:58 PM, Marco Stornelli wrote:
>>>>>> From: Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Definitions for the PRAMFS filesystem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> diff -Nurp linux-2.6.36-orig/fs/pramfs/pram.h linux-2.6.36/fs/pramfs/pram.h
>>>>>> --- linux-2.6.36-orig/fs/pramfs/pram.h        1970-01-01 01:00:00.000000000 +0100
>>>>>> +++ linux-2.6.36/fs/pramfs/pram.h     2010-10-30 12:02:45.000000000 +0200
>>>>>> @@ -0,0 +1,317 @@
>>>>>
>>>>>> +/*
>>>>>> + * Structure of the super block in PRAMFS
>>>>>> + */
>>>>>> +struct pram_super_block {
>>>>>> +     __be16  s_sum;          /* checksum of this sb, including padding */
>>>>>> +     __be64  s_size;         /* total size of fs in bytes */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_blocksize;    /* blocksize in bytes */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_inodes_count; /* total inodes count (used or free) */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_free_inodes_count;/* free inodes count */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_free_inode_hint;  /* start hint for locating free inodes */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_blocks_count; /* total data blocks count (used or free) */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_free_blocks_count;/* free data blocks count */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_free_blocknr_hint;/* free data blocks count */
>>>>>> +     __be64  s_bitmap_start; /* data block in-use bitmap location */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_bitmap_blocks;/* size of bitmap in number of blocks */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_mtime;        /* Mount time */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_wtime;        /* Write time */
>>>>>> +     __be16  s_magic;        /* Magic signature */
>>>>>> +     char    s_volume_name[16]; /* volume name */
>>>>>> +};
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a particular reason to use big endian types for the data
>>>>> structures? On a little endian machine you will end up converting values
>>>>> everywhere. I assume that you don't expect the machine to change
>>>>> endianess between reboots :-). If this is for generating/reading
>>>>> filesystems from userspace, wouldn't it be better to have the userspace
>>>>> tools specify the target endianess and do the conversions there?
>>>>>
>>>>> ~Ryan
>>>>
>>>> Yes, there is a reason. In the first review a comment was: the fs must
>>>> have a fix endianess layout. This fs is designed for the embedded
>>>> world mainly. Since most of cpus used in this case are big-endian, it
>>>> means that for typical use case, there is no cost for endianess
>>>> conversion.
>>>
>>> ARM, which is a large portion of the embedded space, is typically little
>>> endian.
>>
>> Not always. Indeed, I didn't say *all* cpu used are big-endian.
>
> My point is that little endian embedded machines make up a large portion
> of the devices that this filesystem will be useful on. On those devices
> it will also have an (unnecessary) conversion overhead.
>
>>> Why does a filesystem need to have a specific endianess layout?
>>> Especially for a highly specialised filesystem like this.
>>
>> I didn't agree with it, but in the first review there was more than
>> one developer that said this thing. The main reason was to read the
>> format (for example with JTAG) or to create an image with a fix
>> format. I remember that someone said that there was a similar problem
>> with jffs2 and the experience tell to us that a fix endianess is
>> important. At that point I decided to use big-endian. You can see all
>> the discussion in lkml. The review has been done at June 2009.
>
> You can still do all of those things without having a fixed endianess.
> You just have to have one extra step of telling the external tools what
> the endianess is. IMHO, it is better to have the overhead of the endian
> conversion in the tools since it is less costly there than an the
> embedded system.
>
> I'm just trying to understand why the fixed endianess rule cannot be
> bent for such a specialised filesystem.

When it was decided that filesystems should be fixed-endian and support for
big-endian ext2 was dropped, the overhead of doing the fixed conversions was
deetermined negligible due to compiler optimization.
That was ages ago, and current embedded systems run circles around the
machines of those days.

Note that this is about metadata only. Actual file contents are always just
byte streams.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
                                -- Linus Torvalds

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* Re: [PATCH 08/16 v2] pramfs: headers
@ 2010-11-09 20:56             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Geert Uytterhoeven @ 2010-11-09 20:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ryan Mallon
  Cc: Marco Stornelli, Linux Kernel, Linux Embedded, Linux FS Devel,
	Tim Bird, Andrew Morton

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 21:35, Ryan Mallon <ryan@bluewatersys.com> wrote:
> On 11/09/2010 09:19 PM, Marco Stornelli wrote:
>> 2010/11/8 Ryan Mallon <ryan@bluewatersys.com>:
>>> On 11/08/2010 08:49 PM, Marco Stornelli wrote:
>>>> 2010/11/7 Ryan Mallon <ryan@bluewatersys.com>:
>>>>> On 11/06/2010 09:58 PM, Marco Stornelli wrote:
>>>>>> From: Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Definitions for the PRAMFS filesystem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> diff -Nurp linux-2.6.36-orig/fs/pramfs/pram.h linux-2.6.36/fs/pramfs/pram.h
>>>>>> --- linux-2.6.36-orig/fs/pramfs/pram.h        1970-01-01 01:00:00.000000000 +0100
>>>>>> +++ linux-2.6.36/fs/pramfs/pram.h     2010-10-30 12:02:45.000000000 +0200
>>>>>> @@ -0,0 +1,317 @@
>>>>>
>>>>>> +/*
>>>>>> + * Structure of the super block in PRAMFS
>>>>>> + */
>>>>>> +struct pram_super_block {
>>>>>> +     __be16  s_sum;          /* checksum of this sb, including padding */
>>>>>> +     __be64  s_size;         /* total size of fs in bytes */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_blocksize;    /* blocksize in bytes */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_inodes_count; /* total inodes count (used or free) */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_free_inodes_count;/* free inodes count */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_free_inode_hint;  /* start hint for locating free inodes */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_blocks_count; /* total data blocks count (used or free) */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_free_blocks_count;/* free data blocks count */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_free_blocknr_hint;/* free data blocks count */
>>>>>> +     __be64  s_bitmap_start; /* data block in-use bitmap location */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_bitmap_blocks;/* size of bitmap in number of blocks */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_mtime;        /* Mount time */
>>>>>> +     __be32  s_wtime;        /* Write time */
>>>>>> +     __be16  s_magic;        /* Magic signature */
>>>>>> +     char    s_volume_name[16]; /* volume name */
>>>>>> +};
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a particular reason to use big endian types for the data
>>>>> structures? On a little endian machine you will end up converting values
>>>>> everywhere. I assume that you don't expect the machine to change
>>>>> endianess between reboots :-). If this is for generating/reading
>>>>> filesystems from userspace, wouldn't it be better to have the userspace
>>>>> tools specify the target endianess and do the conversions there?
>>>>>
>>>>> ~Ryan
>>>>
>>>> Yes, there is a reason. In the first review a comment was: the fs must
>>>> have a fix endianess layout. This fs is designed for the embedded
>>>> world mainly. Since most of cpus used in this case are big-endian, it
>>>> means that for typical use case, there is no cost for endianess
>>>> conversion.
>>>
>>> ARM, which is a large portion of the embedded space, is typically little
>>> endian.
>>
>> Not always. Indeed, I didn't say *all* cpu used are big-endian.
>
> My point is that little endian embedded machines make up a large portion
> of the devices that this filesystem will be useful on. On those devices
> it will also have an (unnecessary) conversion overhead.
>
>>> Why does a filesystem need to have a specific endianess layout?
>>> Especially for a highly specialised filesystem like this.
>>
>> I didn't agree with it, but in the first review there was more than
>> one developer that said this thing. The main reason was to read the
>> format (for example with JTAG) or to create an image with a fix
>> format. I remember that someone said that there was a similar problem
>> with jffs2 and the experience tell to us that a fix endianess is
>> important. At that point I decided to use big-endian. You can see all
>> the discussion in lkml. The review has been done at June 2009.
>
> You can still do all of those things without having a fixed endianess.
> You just have to have one extra step of telling the external tools what
> the endianess is. IMHO, it is better to have the overhead of the endian
> conversion in the tools since it is less costly there than an the
> embedded system.
>
> I'm just trying to understand why the fixed endianess rule cannot be
> bent for such a specialised filesystem.

When it was decided that filesystems should be fixed-endian and support for
big-endian ext2 was dropped, the overhead of doing the fixed conversions was
deetermined negligible due to compiler optimization.
That was ages ago, and current embedded systems run circles around the
machines of those days.

Note that this is about metadata only. Actual file contents are always just
byte streams.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

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* Re: [PATCH 08/16 v2] pramfs: headers
  2010-11-09 20:56             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
  (?)
@ 2010-11-10  8:15             ` Marco Stornelli
  2010-11-10 19:09               ` Ryan Mallon
  -1 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Marco Stornelli @ 2010-11-10  8:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ryan Mallon
  Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven, Linux Kernel, Linux Embedded, Linux FS Devel,
	Tim Bird, Andrew Morton

2010/11/9 Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>:
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 21:35, Ryan Mallon <ryan@bluewatersys.com> wrote:
>> You can still do all of those things without having a fixed endianess.
>> You just have to have one extra step of telling the external tools what
>> the endianess is. IMHO, it is better to have the overhead of the endian
>> conversion in the tools since it is less costly there than an the
>> embedded system.
>>
>> I'm just trying to understand why the fixed endianess rule cannot be
>> bent for such a specialised filesystem.
>
> When it was decided that filesystems should be fixed-endian and support for
> big-endian ext2 was dropped, the overhead of doing the fixed conversions was
> deetermined negligible due to compiler optimization.
> That was ages ago, and current embedded systems run circles around the
> machines of those days.
>
> Note that this is about metadata only. Actual file contents are always just
> byte streams.
>

I can add that the penalties in this case are  negligible due to the
compensation of the very fast access of the media. In addition, from
performance point of view I'm pretty happy (you can see the some
benchmark on the project web site).

Marco

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread

* Re: [PATCH 08/16 v2] pramfs: headers
  2010-11-10  8:15             ` Marco Stornelli
@ 2010-11-10 19:09               ` Ryan Mallon
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Ryan Mallon @ 2010-11-10 19:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Marco Stornelli
  Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven, Linux Kernel, Linux Embedded, Linux FS Devel,
	Tim Bird, Andrew Morton

On 11/10/2010 09:15 PM, Marco Stornelli wrote:
> 2010/11/9 Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>:
>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 21:35, Ryan Mallon <ryan@bluewatersys.com> wrote:
>>> You can still do all of those things without having a fixed endianess.
>>> You just have to have one extra step of telling the external tools what
>>> the endianess is. IMHO, it is better to have the overhead of the endian
>>> conversion in the tools since it is less costly there than an the
>>> embedded system.
>>>
>>> I'm just trying to understand why the fixed endianess rule cannot be
>>> bent for such a specialised filesystem.
>>
>> When it was decided that filesystems should be fixed-endian and support for
>> big-endian ext2 was dropped, the overhead of doing the fixed conversions was
>> deetermined negligible due to compiler optimization.
>> That was ages ago, and current embedded systems run circles around the
>> machines of those days.
>>
>> Note that this is about metadata only. Actual file contents are always just
>> byte streams.
>>
> 
> I can add that the penalties in this case are  negligible due to the
> compensation of the very fast access of the media. In addition, from
> performance point of view I'm pretty happy (you can see the some
> benchmark on the project web site).

Thanks for the explanation guys.

~Ryan

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