[Qemu-devel] Emulating powerpc 440EP with qemu-system-ppcemb

[Qemu-devel] Emulating powerpc 440EP with qemu-system-ppcemb

[Dushyant Bansal]

Hi all,

I have configured and built qemu with device tree support.
qemu-version: 0.13.50
I have built kernel image (uImage) for bamboo using powerpc-440 toolchain.
kernel-version: 2.6.37-rc6+

When  I try to run this command,
# qemu-system-ppcemb -nographic -m 128 -M bamboo -kernel uImage  -append ""

I get the following output and qemu just hangs there:
Trying to read privileged spr 947 3b3 at 00001028
Trying to read invalid spr 62 03e at 00000778

Has anyone tried to emulate bamboo with qemu before ?

Thanks,
Dushyant

Re: [Qemu-devel] Emulating powerpc 440EP with qemu-system-ppcemb

[Rob Landley]

On 01/23/2011 06:59 AM, Dushyant Bansal wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have configured and built qemu with device tree support.
> qemu-version: 0.13.50
> I have built kernel image (uImage) for bamboo using powerpc-440 toolchain.
> kernel-version: 2.6.37-rc6+
> 
> When  I try to run this command,
> # qemu-system-ppcemb -nographic -m 128 -M bamboo -kernel uImage  -append ""
> 
> I get the following output and qemu just hangs there:
> Trying to read privileged spr 947 3b3 at 00001028
> Trying to read invalid spr 62 03e at 00000778
> 
> Has anyone tried to emulate bamboo with qemu before ?
> 
> Thanks,
> Dushyant

In my Aboriginal Linux project (http://landley.net/aboriginal) I have a
config that builds a ppc440 cross compiler and builds a root filesystem
and kernel with it, but the kernel .config is bog standard 32 bit PPC
(mac99 board I think).  It boots and runs, gives you a shell prompt, but
occasionally misbehaves you try to do anything fancy with it.

Last I checked, the bamboo board was implemented for KVM not QEMU, and
QEMU didn't have a ppc440 processor emulation.  But that was over a year
ago, things could easily have changed...

What kernel .config are you using for the bamboo kernel?

Rob

Re: [Qemu-devel] Emulating powerpc 440EP with qemu-system-ppcemb

[Dushyant Bansal]

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On Monday 24 January 2011 12:12 AM, Rob Landley wrote:
> On 01/23/2011 06:59 AM, Dushyant Bansal wrote:
>    
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have configured and built qemu with device tree support.
>> qemu-version: 0.13.50
>> I have built kernel image (uImage) for bamboo using powerpc-440 toolchain.
>> kernel-version: 2.6.37-rc6+
>>
>> When  I try to run this command,
>> # qemu-system-ppcemb -nographic -m 128 -M bamboo -kernel uImage  -append ""
>>
>> I get the following output and qemu just hangs there:
>> Trying to read privileged spr 947 3b3 at 00001028
>> Trying to read invalid spr 62 03e at 00000778
>>
>> Has anyone tried to emulate bamboo with qemu before ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dushyant
>>      
> In my Aboriginal Linux project (http://landley.net/aboriginal) I have a
> config that builds a ppc440 cross compiler and builds a root filesystem
> and kernel with it, but the kernel .config is bog standard 32 bit PPC
> (mac99 board I think).  It boots and runs, gives you a shell prompt, but
> occasionally misbehaves you try to do anything fancy with it.
>
>    
I am also using 
<http://www.landley.net/aboriginal/downloads/binaries/cross-compiler-powerpc-440fp.tar.bz2>"cross-compiler-powerpc-440fp" 
from the aboriginal project 
(http://www.landley.net/aboriginal/downloads/binaries/) to build the 
kernel image :).
> Last I checked, the bamboo board was implemented for KVM not QEMU, and
> QEMU didn't have a ppc440 processor emulation.  But that was over a year
> ago, things could easily have changed...
>    
Yes, qemu supports ppc440(bamboo).

$ qemu-system-ppcemb -M ?
Supported machines are:
mpc8544ds  mpc8544ds
bamboo     bamboo
ref405ep   ref405ep
taihu      taihu
mac99      Mac99 based PowerMAC
g3beige    Heathrow based PowerMAC (default)
prep       PowerPC PREP platform

> What kernel .config are you using for the bamboo kernel?
>
> Rob
>
>    
I am using arch/powerpc/configs/44x/bamboo_defconfig.

Thanks,
Dushyant

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Re: [Qemu-devel] Emulating powerpc 440EP with qemu-system-ppcemb

[Rob Landley]

On 01/23/2011 01:01 PM, Dushyant Bansal wrote:
> I am also using
> <http://www.landley.net/aboriginal/downloads/binaries/cross-compiler-powerpc-440fp.tar.bz2>"cross-compiler-powerpc-440fp"
> from the aboriginal project
> (http://www.landley.net/aboriginal/downloads/binaries/) to build the
> kernel image :).

Heh. :)

Note that I don't have any actual ppc440 hardware.  Somebody else once
tested this on real hardware for me and said it worked (their interest
was why i added the platform in the first place), and I haven't changed
the compiler config since then, but I can't prove anything if QEMU won't
cooperate.

> Yes, qemu supports ppc440(bamboo).
> 
> $ qemu-system-ppcemb -M ?
> Supported machines are:
> mpc8544ds  mpc8544ds
> bamboo     bamboo
> ref405ep   ref405ep
> taihu      taihu
> mac99      Mac99 based PowerMAC
> g3beige    Heathrow based PowerMAC (default)
> prep       PowerPC PREP platform

Those are board emulations.  Does it have a 440 _cpu_ emulation?

./qemu-system-ppc -cpu ? | grep 440

(Don't ask me why qemu-system-ppc lists every single powerpc stepping
ever as a separate interesting CPU emulation.  Seems kind of crazy to
me, but eh...)

>> What kernel .config are you using for the bamboo kernel?
> I am using arch/powerpc/configs/44x/bamboo_defconfig.

Reasonable.

Note that beating a usable console out of the thing so you can see
output is the second hard step.  (The first hard step is getting
everything set up so that the kernel will actually build and boot on the
hardware.  Without a console, you can't prove it did.)

I prefer serial console to pop-up window because it's scriptable with
"expect" or similar, I can log the output via "tee", and cut and paste
works without further effort.  But if you're just trying to see boot
messages, a SDL frame buffer window (or vnc) is fine.

Rob

Re: [Qemu-devel] Emulating powerpc 440EP with qemu-system-ppcemb

[Andreas Färber]

Am 23.01.2011 um 19:42 schrieb Rob Landley:

> On 01/23/2011 06:59 AM, Dushyant Bansal wrote:
>> When  I try to run this command,
>> # qemu-system-ppcemb -nographic -m 128 -M bamboo -kernel uImage  - 
>> append ""
>>
>> I get the following output and qemu just hangs there:
>> Trying to read privileged spr 947 3b3 at 00001028
>> Trying to read invalid spr 62 03e at 00000778
>
> Last I checked, the bamboo board was implemented for KVM not QEMU, and
> QEMU didn't have a ppc440 processor emulation.  But that was over a  
> year
> ago, things could easily have changed...

Matches my info. No ppc440 series since then.

Andreas

Re: [Qemu-devel] Emulating powerpc 440EP with qemu-system-ppcemb

[Dushyant Bansal]

> Those are board emulations.  Does it have a 440 _cpu_ emulation?
>
> ./qemu-system-ppc -cpu ? | grep 440
>    
This is the output.
PowerPC 440-Xilinx       PVR 7ff21910

Is this right for my requirement?
This is qemu version 0.13.50. And, it seems this support has been added 
recently. It is missing in qemu version 0.12.5.
I have one more query. You said 440 was supported in kvm. But kvm also 
uses qemu as its userspace component. So, 440 was supported through kvm 
kernel module?

--
Dushyant

Re: [Qemu-devel] Emulating powerpc 440EP with qemu-system-ppcemb

[Dushyant Bansal]

On Monday 24 January 2011 01:22 AM, Andreas Färber wrote:
> Am 23.01.2011 um 19:42 schrieb Rob Landley:
>
>> On 01/23/2011 06:59 AM, Dushyant Bansal wrote:
>>> When  I try to run this command,
>>> # qemu-system-ppcemb -nographic -m 128 -M bamboo -kernel uImage  
>>> -append ""
>>>
>>> I get the following output and qemu just hangs there:
>>> Trying to read privileged spr 947 3b3 at 00001028
>>> Trying to read invalid spr 62 03e at 00000778
>>
>> Last I checked, the bamboo board was implemented for KVM not QEMU, and
>> QEMU didn't have a ppc440 processor emulation.  But that was over a year
>> ago, things could easily have changed...
>
> Matches my info. No ppc440 series since then.
>
> Andreas

$ ./qemu-system-ppc -cpu ? | grep 440
    This is the output.
PowerPC 440-Xilinx       PVR 7ff21910

qemu version: 0.13.50.
Will it work for ppc440 processor emulation?

Dushyant

Re: [Qemu-devel] Emulating powerpc 440EP with qemu-system-ppcemb

[Edgar E. Iglesias]

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 01:38:35AM +0530, Dushyant Bansal wrote:
> On Monday 24 January 2011 01:22 AM, Andreas Färber wrote:
> > Am 23.01.2011 um 19:42 schrieb Rob Landley:
> >
> >> On 01/23/2011 06:59 AM, Dushyant Bansal wrote:
> >>> When  I try to run this command,
> >>> # qemu-system-ppcemb -nographic -m 128 -M bamboo -kernel uImage  
> >>> -append ""
> >>>
> >>> I get the following output and qemu just hangs there:
> >>> Trying to read privileged spr 947 3b3 at 00001028
> >>> Trying to read invalid spr 62 03e at 00000778
> >>
> >> Last I checked, the bamboo board was implemented for KVM not QEMU, and
> >> QEMU didn't have a ppc440 processor emulation.  But that was over a year
> >> ago, things could easily have changed...
> >
> > Matches my info. No ppc440 series since then.
> >
> > Andreas
> 
> $ ./qemu-system-ppc -cpu ? | grep 440
>     This is the output.
> PowerPC 440-Xilinx       PVR 7ff21910
> 
> qemu version: 0.13.50.
> Will it work for ppc440 processor emulation?

Yes, for a long time the MMU emulation was half done. A few months ago
I pushed a set of patches to add enough MMU emulation to handle linux
guests. But there are still parts missing.

The virtex-ml507 board works good enough to run linux on. I can dig
for kernel configs and publish devicetrees and kernel images if
there is interest.

Cheers

Re: [Qemu-devel] Emulating powerpc 440EP with qemu-system-ppcemb

[Alexander Graf]

On 23.01.2011, at 20:52, Andreas Färber wrote:

> Am 23.01.2011 um 19:42 schrieb Rob Landley:
> 
>> On 01/23/2011 06:59 AM, Dushyant Bansal wrote:
>>> When  I try to run this command,
>>> # qemu-system-ppcemb -nographic -m 128 -M bamboo -kernel uImage  -append ""
>>> 
>>> I get the following output and qemu just hangs there:
>>> Trying to read privileged spr 947 3b3 at 00001028
>>> Trying to read invalid spr 62 03e at 00000778
>> 
>> Last I checked, the bamboo board was implemented for KVM not QEMU, and
>> QEMU didn't have a ppc440 processor emulation.  But that was over a year
>> ago, things could easily have changed...
> 
> Matches my info. No ppc440 series since then.

Edgar did some work on 440 emulation, but not with bamboo IIRC.


Alex

Re: [Qemu-devel] Emulating powerpc 440EP with qemu-system-ppcemb

[Rob Landley]

On 01/23/2011 01:52 PM, Dushyant Bansal wrote:
> 
>> Those are board emulations.  Does it have a 440 _cpu_ emulation?
>>
>> ./qemu-system-ppc -cpu ? | grep 440
>>    
> This is the output.
> PowerPC 440-Xilinx       PVR 7ff21910
> 
> Is this right for my requirement?

I have no idea?  Sounds worth a try...

> This is qemu version 0.13.50. And, it seems this support has been added
> recently. It is missing in qemu version 0.12.5.
> I have one more query. You said 440 was supported in kvm.

KVM runs on powerpc systems, including PPC 440.

KVM doesn't do CPU emulation, it does CPU virtualization.  IT can't do
PowerPC on an x86 host, it does PowerPC on a PowerPC host.  (It only
uses QEMU to attach I/O devices to the virtual CPUs the hardware
provides.  It needs a CPU that can do nested page tables, things like
the Intel VT extensions.)

So KVM can run PowerPC 440 code when running on a PowerPC 440 host.
That's where the Bamboo board emulation came from: somebody was running
KVM on a PowerPC 440 host, and wanted a board emulation for the virtual
systems to do I/O through.

> But kvm also
> uses qemu as its userspace component. So, 440 was supported through kvm
> kernel module?

KVM just uses the QEMU code to attach virtual I/O devices to a CPU
context that's provided by the hardware.

So in order to get KVM to emulate a PowerPC 440, you have to run it on a
PowerPC 440 host.  (If you do so, QEMU will happily emulate a bamboo
board for it.)

I suspect the problem is that the kernel's actual bamboo drivers have
inline assembly instructions snippets, and QEMU isn't emulating those
instructions.

Note that the powerpc 440 is mostly a subset of normal 32 bit powerpc
(um, 405?).  Specifically, powerpc 440 userspace code should run on a
full-fledged PPC just fine, at least with software floating point.  It's
the protected mode instructions (mmu management and such) that differ,
stuff that only really happens in the kernel.

My fuzzy understanding is that the 440 happened when IBM tried to strip
down the PowerPC for the embedded market, mostly by removing several
instructions.  (So 405 code won't run on it, but 440 code will mostly
run on a 405, except for the priviledged instructions which of course
are all wildly different, but that should only get used inside the
kernel.  Don't ask me about floating point.)

Motorola did the same thing by the way, except they removed a DIFFERENT
set of instructions so the two were incompatible.  You can find traces
of that in kernel under "arch/powerpc/platforms/8xx" if you're curious,
but I think that died even before they spun off Freescale.  (Maybe it
just doesn't get used on Linux?  They tried to revive it as the
"PowerQUIC" SOC line a few years ago but I dunno if it went anywhere.)

Of course wikipedia will have an opinion.  (A subset of it might even be
correct, who knows?  It's the best source of anecdotal evidence on the net.)

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PowerPC_processors

Rob