[Qemu-devel] Now, what's left to non-developers? (Qemu forum down again, No such list qemu-users)

[Qemu-devel] Now, what's left to non-developers? (Qemu forum down again, No such list qemu-users)

[Ottavio]

Hello developers, users and other lurkers.

For the last 5 years Pablo Virolainen has done a great job of hosting
the qemu forum. I confess I don't use the forum every day, but every
now and again the forum seems to be down. I have Pablo's personal
email and whenever a problem arises I contact him and pretty soon the
problem is fixed.

I think that lately Pablo hasn't got much time or maybe he's on
holidays. I wonder what the point is to have a fully functioning and
well alive developers mailing list if common users like me, with
little or no programming skills, have no place to exchange our ides.
So, to summarise, at the moment of writing:

1) The qemu forum is down:
http://qemu-forum.ipi.fi/

2) The qemu-user mailing list is not active:
http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/qemu-users

Is anybody here interested in having an official place for qemu users?

I would like to have a qemu-user list, as an official replacement for
the qemu forum and I hope you want this too.

Thank you for your attention and have a nice day

-- 
Ottavio


A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

Re: [Qemu-devel] Now, what's left to non-developers? (Qemu forum down again, No such list qemu-users)

[陳韋任]

Hi, Ottavio

> 2) The qemu-user mailing list is not active:
> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/qemu-users

  +1. Maybe you can ask Pablo's opinion, too.

Regards,
chenwj

-- 
Wei-Ren Chen (陳韋任)
Computer Systems Lab, Institute of Information Science,
Academia Sinica, Taiwan (R.O.C.)
Tel:886-2-2788-3799 #1667

Re: [Qemu-devel] Now, what's left to non-developers? (Qemu forum down again, No such list qemu-users)

[Ottavio]

On 19 August 2011 11:08, 陳韋任 <chenwj@iis.sinica.edu.tw> wrote:
> Hi, Ottavio
>
>> 2) The qemu-user mailing list is not active:
>> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/qemu-users
>
>  +1. Maybe you can ask Pablo's opinion, too.

I don't understand. Do you mean Pablo's opinion about the mailing list
or about the forum?

About the forum, I have contacted him a few days ago reporting the
incident and he answered that he would give it a look once he was in
front of a computer (he was using a blackberry or a mobile phone to
email, I think). I have sent him a couple of emails but no answer yet.
And plus, I am quite sure he's subscribed to this list.

I think that, regardless of the qemu forum, there is a base of qemu
users which are not subscribed to this mailing list that would like to
exchange ideas and ask for mutual support and for which the medium of
a web forum is not stimulating enough.

If anybody with admin rights could activate the qemu-users list this
would be very beneficial to this project. I, for instance, have a lot
of questions to ask but I wouldn't dare on this mailing list because
my post wouldn't be interesting enough to developers.

-- 
Ottavio


A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

Re: [Qemu-devel] Now, what's left to non-developers? (Qemu forum down again, No such list qemu-users)

[Stefan Hajnoczi]

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Ottavio <pr0f3ss0r1492@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 19 August 2011 11:08, 陳韋任 <chenwj@iis.sinica.edu.tw> wrote:
>> Hi, Ottavio
>>
>>> 2) The qemu-user mailing list is not active:
>>> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/qemu-users
>>
>>  +1. Maybe you can ask Pablo's opinion, too.
>
> I don't understand. Do you mean Pablo's opinion about the mailing list
> or about the forum?
>
> About the forum, I have contacted him a few days ago reporting the
> incident and he answered that he would give it a look once he was in
> front of a computer (he was using a blackberry or a mobile phone to
> email, I think). I have sent him a couple of emails but no answer yet.
> And plus, I am quite sure he's subscribed to this list.
>
> I think that, regardless of the qemu forum, there is a base of qemu
> users which are not subscribed to this mailing list that would like to
> exchange ideas and ask for mutual support and for which the medium of
> a web forum is not stimulating enough.
>
> If anybody with admin rights could activate the qemu-users list this
> would be very beneficial to this project. I, for instance, have a lot
> of questions to ask but I wouldn't dare on this mailing list because
> my post wouldn't be interesting enough to developers.

Ottavio,
User questions on this mailing list are not uncommon.  I think your
questions and discussions are welcome.

However, I understand that following a mailing list that has high
traffic and mostly contains patches is not ideal.  It does make sense
to bring the qemu users list back to life.  Anthony may have mailing
list admin access, he is CCed.

Stefan

Re: [Qemu-devel] Now, what's left to non-developers? (Qemu forum down again, No such list qemu-users)

[Anthony Liguori]

On 08/19/2011 11:28 AM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Ottavio<pr0f3ss0r1492@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>> On 19 August 2011 11:08, 陳韋任<chenwj@iis.sinica.edu.tw>  wrote:
>>> Hi, Ottavio
>>>
>>>> 2) The qemu-user mailing list is not active:
>>>> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/qemu-users
>>>
>>>   +1. Maybe you can ask Pablo's opinion, too.
>>
>> I don't understand. Do you mean Pablo's opinion about the mailing list
>> or about the forum?
>>
>> About the forum, I have contacted him a few days ago reporting the
>> incident and he answered that he would give it a look once he was in
>> front of a computer (he was using a blackberry or a mobile phone to
>> email, I think). I have sent him a couple of emails but no answer yet.
>> And plus, I am quite sure he's subscribed to this list.
>>
>> I think that, regardless of the qemu forum, there is a base of qemu
>> users which are not subscribed to this mailing list that would like to
>> exchange ideas and ask for mutual support and for which the medium of
>> a web forum is not stimulating enough.
>>
>> If anybody with admin rights could activate the qemu-users list this
>> would be very beneficial to this project. I, for instance, have a lot
>> of questions to ask but I wouldn't dare on this mailing list because
>> my post wouldn't be interesting enough to developers.
>
> Ottavio,
> User questions on this mailing list are not uncommon.  I think your
> questions and discussions are welcome.
>
> However, I understand that following a mailing list that has high
> traffic and mostly contains patches is not ideal.  It does make sense
> to bring the qemu users list back to life.  Anthony may have mailing
> list admin access, he is CCed.

I do, but qemu-users was created ages ago before I was an admin on the 
Savannah project.  I suspect I'll need to submit a ticket to reset the 
list.  I'll do that once I get back to the States.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
> Stefan
>

Re: [Qemu-devel] Now, what's left to non-developers? (Qemu forum down again, No such list qemu-users)

[Ottavio]

On 19 August 2011 20:49, Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws> wrote:
> On 08/19/2011 11:28 AM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Ottavio<pr0f3ss0r1492@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 19 August 2011 11:08, 陳韋任<chenwj@iis.sinica.edu.tw>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Ottavio
>>>>
>>>>> 2) The qemu-user mailing list is not active:
>>>>> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/qemu-users
>>>>
>>>>  +1. Maybe you can ask Pablo's opinion, too.
>>>
>>> I don't understand. Do you mean Pablo's opinion about the mailing list
>>> or about the forum?
>>>
>>> About the forum, I have contacted him a few days ago reporting the
>>> incident and he answered that he would give it a look once he was in
>>> front of a computer (he was using a blackberry or a mobile phone to
>>> email, I think). I have sent him a couple of emails but no answer yet.
>>> And plus, I am quite sure he's subscribed to this list.
>>>
>>> I think that, regardless of the qemu forum, there is a base of qemu
>>> users which are not subscribed to this mailing list that would like to
>>> exchange ideas and ask for mutual support and for which the medium of
>>> a web forum is not stimulating enough.
>>>
>>> If anybody with admin rights could activate the qemu-users list this
>>> would be very beneficial to this project. I, for instance, have a lot
>>> of questions to ask but I wouldn't dare on this mailing list because
>>> my post wouldn't be interesting enough to developers.
>>
>> Ottavio,
>> User questions on this mailing list are not uncommon.  I think your
>> questions and discussions are welcome.
>>
>> However, I understand that following a mailing list that has high
>> traffic and mostly contains patches is not ideal.  It does make sense
>> to bring the qemu users list back to life.  Anthony may have mailing
>> list admin access, he is CCed.
>
> I do, but qemu-users was created ages ago before I was an admin on the
> Savannah project.  I suspect I'll need to submit a ticket to reset the list.
>  I'll do that once I get back to the States.
>
> Regards,
>
> Anthony Liguori
>
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>
>

Thanks Anthony and Stefan.

-- 
Ottavio


A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

Re: [Qemu-devel] Now, what's left to non-developers?

[Jernej Simončič]

On Friday, August 19, 2011, 11:27:04, Ottavio wrote:

> Is anybody here interested in having an official place for qemu users?

Neozeed (who provides Windows builds of Qemu) has stated that he's
ready to host the Qemu forum on his domain:
http://virtuallyfun.superglobalmegacorp.com/?p=1252

-- 
< Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< http://eternallybored.org/ >

A coup that is known in advance is a coup that does not take place.
       -- Camp's Law

Re: [Qemu-devel] Now, what's left to non-developers? (Qemu forum down again, No such list qemu-users)

[Stefan Weil]

Am 19.08.2011 21:49, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
> On 08/19/2011 11:28 AM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Ottavio<pr0f3ss0r1492@yahoo.com>  
>> wrote:
>>> On 19 August 2011 11:08, 陳韋任<chenwj@iis.sinica.edu.tw>  wrote:
>>>> Hi, Ottavio
>>>>
>>>>> 2) The qemu-user mailing list is not active:
>>>>> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/qemu-users
>>>>
>>>>   +1. Maybe you can ask Pablo's opinion, too.
>>>
>>> I don't understand. Do you mean Pablo's opinion about the mailing list
>>> or about the forum?
>>>
>>> About the forum, I have contacted him a few days ago reporting the
>>> incident and he answered that he would give it a look once he was in
>>> front of a computer (he was using a blackberry or a mobile phone to
>>> email, I think). I have sent him a couple of emails but no answer yet.
>>> And plus, I am quite sure he's subscribed to this list.
>>>
>>> I think that, regardless of the qemu forum, there is a base of qemu
>>> users which are not subscribed to this mailing list that would like to
>>> exchange ideas and ask for mutual support and for which the medium of
>>> a web forum is not stimulating enough.
>>>
>>> If anybody with admin rights could activate the qemu-users list this
>>> would be very beneficial to this project. I, for instance, have a lot
>>> of questions to ask but I wouldn't dare on this mailing list because
>>> my post wouldn't be interesting enough to developers.
>>
>> Ottavio,
>> User questions on this mailing list are not uncommon.  I think your
>> questions and discussions are welcome.
>>
>> However, I understand that following a mailing list that has high
>> traffic and mostly contains patches is not ideal.  It does make sense
>> to bring the qemu users list back to life.  Anthony may have mailing
>> list admin access, he is CCed.
>
> I do, but qemu-users was created ages ago before I was an admin on the 
> Savannah project.  I suspect I'll need to submit a ticket to reset the 
> list.  I'll do that once I get back to the States.
>
> Regards,
>
> Anthony Liguori

Do you already know when you expect qemu-users to be available?

Regards,
Stefan Weil