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From: Stephen Boyd <sboyd@codeaurora.org>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Saravana Kannan <skannan@codeaurora.org>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Christian Lamparter <chunkeey@googlemail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux PM mailing list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] firmware loader: don't cancel _nowait requests when helper is not yet available
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:38:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F612C05.8010301@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201203150034.08863.rjw@sisk.pl>

On 03/14/12 16:34, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Thursday, March 15, 2012, Stephen Boyd wrote:
>> On 03/14/12 16:13, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>> On Thursday, March 15, 2012, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which is OK, I think.
>>> Moreover, thaw_kernel_threads() is _only_ called by (a) freeze_kernel_threads()
>>> on error and (b) user-space hibernate interface in kernel/power/user.c
>>> (and please read the comment in there describing what it's there for, which
>>> also explains why the schedule() call in there is necessary).
>> Exactly. So in case (a) when the error occurs we'll have this call flow:
>>
>> usermodehelpers_disable()
>> suspend_freeze_processes()
>>     freeze_processes()
>>     freeze_kernel_threads()
>>         try_to_freeze_tasks() <-- returns error
>>         thaw_kernel_threads()
>>             schedule()
>>     thaw_processes()
>> usermodehelpers_enable()
>>
>> Shouldn't we schedule only after we thaw all processes (not just tasks)?
>> Otherwise we may run a kernel thread before userspace is thawed?
> Yes, we may, but that isn't wrong, is it?
>
> Only a few kernel threads are freezable, so definitely kernel threads
> can run while user space is frozen.
>

Yes but if someone calls request_firmware() from a kthread then they
will hit the same problem where the thread runs and requests the
firmware and usermodehelpers are still disabled. Currently my code is
written with kthreads and that thread makes the request firmware call,
so this doesn't seem far fetched (although in my case I can probably fix
it). It looks like before 379e0be (PM / Freezer: Thaw only kernel
threads if freezing of kernel threads fails, 2012-02-03) schedule wasn't
called until userspace was thawed. It looks like that patch was about
hibernation and not suspend?

-- 
Sent by an employee of the Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc.
The Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc. is a member of the Code Aurora Forum.


  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-14 23:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-03 20:22 [RFC] firmware loader: retry _nowait requests when userhelper is not yet available Christian Lamparter
2012-03-03 23:57 ` Alan Cox
2012-03-04  1:50   ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-05 20:12 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-09 22:30   ` [PATCH] firmware loader: don't cancel _nowait requests when helper " Christian Lamparter
2012-03-09 23:36     ` Greg KH
2012-03-10  0:52       ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-11 11:56       ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-13  9:37         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-13  9:43         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-13 20:14           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 19:21             ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-14 23:04               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:13                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:17                   ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-14 23:34                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:38                       ` Stephen Boyd [this message]
2012-03-15  0:11                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-15 19:50                           ` [PATCH] firmware_class: Move request_firmware_nowait() to workqueues Stephen Boyd
2012-03-15 20:07                             ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-15 20:12                               ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-15 22:31                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16  1:39                                   ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-16 20:19                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 20:26                                       ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-16 21:45                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 22:18                                           ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-16 22:35                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-17  2:47                           ` [PATCH] firmware loader: don't cancel _nowait requests when helper is not yet available Stephen Boyd
2012-03-17  5:51                             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-17 20:06                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18  8:26                               ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-18 12:01                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-19  6:32                                   ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-19 11:24                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-19 23:00                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:00                                         ` [PATCH 0/6] firmware_class: Fix problems with usermodehelper test Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:01                                           ` [PATCH 1/6] firmware_class: Rework usermodehelper check Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:01                                           ` [PATCH 2/6] firmware_class: Split _request_firmware() into three functions Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 18:15                                             ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 18:21                                               ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 20:12                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 20:31                                                   ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 20:36                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:35                                                 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:51                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:02                                           ` [PATCH 3/6] firmware_class: Do not warn that system is not ready from async loads Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:03                                           ` [PATCH 4/6] PM / Hibernate: Disable usermode helpers right before freezing tasks Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:03                                           ` [PATCH 5/6] PM / Sleep: Move disabling of usermode helpers to the freezer Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:04                                           ` [PATCH 6/6] PM / Sleep: Mitigate race between the freezer and request_firmware() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 18:16                                             ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 20:06                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:25                                                 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:37                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 18:42                                           ` [PATCH 0/6] firmware_class: Fix problems with usermodehelper test Greg KH
2012-03-26 20:37                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:28                                           ` [PATCH 1/2] firmware_class: Reorganize fw_create_instance() Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:47                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:49                                               ` Greg KH
2012-03-27 21:56                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:28                                           ` [PATCH 2/2] firmware_class: Move request_firmware_nowait() to workqueues Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:49                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 22:01                                             ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-27 22:21                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 22:48                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-27 22:55                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 23:02                                                     ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 23:05                                                     ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-28 21:19                                           ` [PATCH v2 0/8] firmware_class: Fix problems with usermodehelper test Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:20                                             ` [PATCH v2 1/8] firmware_class: Rework usermodehelper check Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:21                                             ` [PATCH v2 2/8] firmware_class: Split _request_firmware() into three functions, v2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:22                                             ` [PATCH v3 3/8] firmware_class: Do not warn that system is not ready from async loads Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:23                                             ` [PATCH v2 4/8] PM / Hibernate: Disable usermode helpers right before freezing tasks Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:23                                             ` [PATCH v2 5/8] PM / Sleep: Move disabling of usermode helpers to the freezer Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:24                                             ` [PATCH v2 6/8] PM / Sleep: Mitigate race between the freezer and request_firmware() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:25                                             ` [PATCH v2 7/8] firmware_class: Reorganize fw_create_instance() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:26                                             ` [PATCH v2 8/8] firmware_class: Move request_firmware_nowait() to workqueues Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:19                 ` [PATCH] firmware loader: don't cancel _nowait requests when helper is not yet available Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-13 19:42         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-13 23:25           ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  0:10             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14  0:14               ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  0:54                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-14  1:43                   ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  1:51                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-14  1:55                       ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  2:00                         ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  2:21                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-14 15:07               ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-14 22:54                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16  7:14                   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-16 20:23                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 21:14                       ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-16 21:19                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-19  7:06                         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-16 22:19   ` [RFC] firmware loader: retry _nowait requests when userhelper " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 22:25     ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-16 22:57       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 23:35         ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-16 23:37         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-17  0:23           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-17  0:33             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-18  0:29               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18  2:21                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-18 12:21                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 12:43                 ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-18 23:15                   ` [PATCH 0/3] firmware_class: Fix problem with async requests (was: Re: [RFC] firmware loader: retry ...) Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 23:17                     ` [PATCH 1/3] firmware_class: Rework usermodehelper check Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 23:18                     ` [PATCH 2/3] firmware_class: Split _request_firmware() into three functions Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 23:21                     ` [PATCH 3/3] firmware_class: Do not warn that system is not ready for async loads Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-19 12:41           ` [RFC] firmware loader: retry _nowait requests when userhelper is not yet available James Courtier-Dutton

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