From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Christian Lamparter <chunkeey@googlemail.com>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
"Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Kay Sievers <kay@vrfy.org>, Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk,
Linux PM mailing list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
skannan@codeaurora.org, Stephen Boyd <sboyd@codeaurora.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] firmware loader: don't cancel _nowait requests when helper is not yet available
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:19:32 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFw75kz641ydAn_nRmji+Si3jDb-3w9muCVyoa86LHBPJA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201203162214.42553.chunkeey@googlemail.com>
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Christian Lamparter
<chunkeey@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Because As far as I know "driver_init();" is called before
> "usermodehelper_enable();" in "do_basic_setup()".
> So, theoretical these people should see the same WARNINGs
> and read the comment about suspend/resume and I'm sure
> they will be thinking: WTF!
Just make the explanation be simple:
"The system is not 8in a fully initialized state, and you cannot
load firmware at this point. User mode is not running, not all devices
have necessarily been initialized, user space applications may or may
not be frozen, and the filesystem may or may not exist yet. Loading
firmware is buggy under these circumstances. Go away"
Don't try to go into any details. The "you can race with freezer" is
too much detail. Even "suspend/resume" is too much detail. The fact
is, the system just isn't ready yet. The details are almost entirely
irrelevant, at best they can be examples of some things that can cause
problems.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-03-16 21:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-03-03 20:22 [RFC] firmware loader: retry _nowait requests when userhelper is not yet available Christian Lamparter
2012-03-03 23:57 ` Alan Cox
2012-03-04 1:50 ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-05 20:12 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-09 22:30 ` [PATCH] firmware loader: don't cancel _nowait requests when helper " Christian Lamparter
2012-03-09 23:36 ` Greg KH
2012-03-10 0:52 ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-11 11:56 ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-13 9:37 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-13 9:43 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-13 20:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 19:21 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-14 23:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:13 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:17 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-14 23:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:38 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-15 0:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-15 19:50 ` [PATCH] firmware_class: Move request_firmware_nowait() to workqueues Stephen Boyd
2012-03-15 20:07 ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-15 20:12 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-15 22:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 1:39 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-16 20:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 20:26 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-16 21:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 22:18 ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-16 22:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-17 2:47 ` [PATCH] firmware loader: don't cancel _nowait requests when helper is not yet available Stephen Boyd
2012-03-17 5:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-17 20:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 8:26 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-18 12:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-19 6:32 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-19 11:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-19 23:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:00 ` [PATCH 0/6] firmware_class: Fix problems with usermodehelper test Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:01 ` [PATCH 1/6] firmware_class: Rework usermodehelper check Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:01 ` [PATCH 2/6] firmware_class: Split _request_firmware() into three functions Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 18:15 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 18:21 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 20:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 20:31 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 20:36 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:35 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:02 ` [PATCH 3/6] firmware_class: Do not warn that system is not ready from async loads Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:03 ` [PATCH 4/6] PM / Hibernate: Disable usermode helpers right before freezing tasks Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:03 ` [PATCH 5/6] PM / Sleep: Move disabling of usermode helpers to the freezer Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:04 ` [PATCH 6/6] PM / Sleep: Mitigate race between the freezer and request_firmware() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 18:16 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 20:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:25 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:37 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 18:42 ` [PATCH 0/6] firmware_class: Fix problems with usermodehelper test Greg KH
2012-03-26 20:37 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:28 ` [PATCH 1/2] firmware_class: Reorganize fw_create_instance() Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:49 ` Greg KH
2012-03-27 21:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:28 ` [PATCH 2/2] firmware_class: Move request_firmware_nowait() to workqueues Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 22:01 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-27 22:21 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 22:48 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-27 22:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 23:02 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 23:05 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-28 21:19 ` [PATCH v2 0/8] firmware_class: Fix problems with usermodehelper test Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v2 1/8] firmware_class: Rework usermodehelper check Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:21 ` [PATCH v2 2/8] firmware_class: Split _request_firmware() into three functions, v2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:22 ` [PATCH v3 3/8] firmware_class: Do not warn that system is not ready from async loads Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:23 ` [PATCH v2 4/8] PM / Hibernate: Disable usermode helpers right before freezing tasks Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:23 ` [PATCH v2 5/8] PM / Sleep: Move disabling of usermode helpers to the freezer Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:24 ` [PATCH v2 6/8] PM / Sleep: Mitigate race between the freezer and request_firmware() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:25 ` [PATCH v2 7/8] firmware_class: Reorganize fw_create_instance() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:26 ` [PATCH v2 8/8] firmware_class: Move request_firmware_nowait() to workqueues Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:19 ` [PATCH] firmware loader: don't cancel _nowait requests when helper is not yet available Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-13 19:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-13 23:25 ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14 0:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 0:14 ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14 0:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-14 1:43 ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14 1:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-14 1:55 ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14 2:00 ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14 2:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-14 15:07 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-14 22:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 7:14 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-16 20:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 21:14 ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-16 21:19 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2012-03-19 7:06 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-16 22:19 ` [RFC] firmware loader: retry _nowait requests when userhelper " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 22:25 ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-16 22:57 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 23:35 ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-16 23:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-17 0:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-17 0:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-18 0:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 2:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-18 12:21 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 12:43 ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-18 23:15 ` [PATCH 0/3] firmware_class: Fix problem with async requests (was: Re: [RFC] firmware loader: retry ...) Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 23:17 ` [PATCH 1/3] firmware_class: Rework usermodehelper check Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 23:18 ` [PATCH 2/3] firmware_class: Split _request_firmware() into three functions Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 23:21 ` [PATCH 3/3] firmware_class: Do not warn that system is not ready for async loads Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-19 12:41 ` [RFC] firmware loader: retry _nowait requests when userhelper is not yet available James Courtier-Dutton
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