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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 05/31] x86/mm: Reduce tlb flushes from ptep_set_access_flags()
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 14:14:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <508AD2FF.5020306@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyYvu20qHtJ2SuNK3Dd466Hs9m9U3_41E8HtQ6KiRVRKw@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/26/2012 02:02 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> Would tlb_fix_spurious_fault take care of that on those
>> architectures?
>
> .. assuming that they implement it as a real TLB flush, yes.
>
> But maybe the architecture never noticed that it happened to depend on
> the fact that we do a cross-CPU invalidate? So a missing
> tlb_fix_spurious_fault() implementation could cause a short loop of
> repeated page faults, until the IPI happens. And it would be so
> incredibly rare that nobody would ever have noticed.
>
> And if that could have happened, then with the cross-cpu invalidate
> removed, the "incredibly rare short-lived constant page fault retry"
> could turn into "incredibly rare lockup due to infinite page fault
> retry due to TLB entry that never turns dirty despite it being marked
> dirty by SW in the in-memory page tables".

I suspect the next context switch would flush out the TLB,
making it a slowdown, not a lockup.

Still a good reason to make such a change in its own commit,
so it can be bisected and tracked down.

The commit message could tell architecture maintainers what
to do if this particular commit got them into trouble:
implement a proper local TLB flush in tlb_fix_spurious_fault.

I'll send this in as a separate patch.


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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 05/31] x86/mm: Reduce tlb flushes from ptep_set_access_flags()
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 14:14:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <508AD2FF.5020306@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyYvu20qHtJ2SuNK3Dd466Hs9m9U3_41E8HtQ6KiRVRKw@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/26/2012 02:02 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> Would tlb_fix_spurious_fault take care of that on those
>> architectures?
>
> .. assuming that they implement it as a real TLB flush, yes.
>
> But maybe the architecture never noticed that it happened to depend on
> the fact that we do a cross-CPU invalidate? So a missing
> tlb_fix_spurious_fault() implementation could cause a short loop of
> repeated page faults, until the IPI happens. And it would be so
> incredibly rare that nobody would ever have noticed.
>
> And if that could have happened, then with the cross-cpu invalidate
> removed, the "incredibly rare short-lived constant page fault retry"
> could turn into "incredibly rare lockup due to infinite page fault
> retry due to TLB entry that never turns dirty despite it being marked
> dirty by SW in the in-memory page tables".

I suspect the next context switch would flush out the TLB,
making it a slowdown, not a lockup.

Still a good reason to make such a change in its own commit,
so it can be bisected and tracked down.

The commit message could tell architecture maintainers what
to do if this particular commit got them into trouble:
implement a proper local TLB flush in tlb_fix_spurious_fault.

I'll send this in as a separate patch.

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Thread overview: 269+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-25 12:16 [PATCH 00/31] numa/core patches Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 01/31] sched, numa, mm: Make find_busiest_queue() a method Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 02/31] sched, numa, mm: Describe the NUMA scheduling problem formally Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-11-01  9:56   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-01  9:56     ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-01 13:13     ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-01 13:13       ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 03/31] mm/thp: Preserve pgprot across huge page split Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-11-01 10:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-01 10:22     ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 04/31] x86/mm: Introduce pte_accessible() Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 20:10   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-25 20:10     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26  6:24     ` [PATCH 04/31, v2] " Ingo Molnar
2012-10-26  6:24       ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-01 10:42   ` [PATCH 04/31] " Mel Gorman
2012-11-01 10:42     ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 05/31] x86/mm: Reduce tlb flushes from ptep_set_access_flags() Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 20:17   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-25 20:17     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26  2:30     ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-26  2:30       ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-26  2:56       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26  2:56         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26  3:57         ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-26  3:57           ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-26  4:23           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26  4:23             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26  6:42             ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-26  6:42               ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-26 12:34             ` Michel Lespinasse
2012-10-26 12:34               ` Michel Lespinasse
2012-10-26 12:48               ` Andi Kleen
2012-10-26 12:48                 ` Andi Kleen
2012-10-26 13:16                 ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-26 13:16                   ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-26 13:26                   ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-26 13:26                     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-26 13:28                     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-26 13:28                       ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-26 18:44                     ` [PATCH 1/3] x86/mm: only do a local TLB flush in ptep_set_access_flags() Rik van Riel
2012-10-26 18:44                       ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-26 18:49                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26 18:49                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26 19:16                         ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-26 19:16                           ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-26 19:18                           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26 19:18                             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26 19:21                             ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-26 19:21                               ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-29 15:23                             ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-29 15:23                               ` Rik van Riel
2012-12-21  9:57                               ` trailing flush_tlb_fix_spurious_fault in handle_pte_fault (was Re: [PATCH 1/3] x86/mm: only do a local TLB flush in ptep_set_access_flags()) Vineet Gupta
2012-12-21  9:57                                 ` Vineet Gupta
2012-10-26 18:45                     ` [PATCH 2/3] x86,mm: drop TLB flush from ptep_set_access_flags Rik van Riel
2012-10-26 18:45                       ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-26 21:12                       ` Alan Cox
2012-10-26 21:12                         ` Alan Cox
2012-10-27  3:49                         ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-27  3:49                           ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-27 10:29                           ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-27 10:29                             ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-27 13:40                         ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-27 13:40                           ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-29 16:57                           ` Borislav Petkov
2012-10-29 16:57                             ` Borislav Petkov
2012-10-29 17:06                             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-29 17:06                               ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-17 14:50                               ` Borislav Petkov
2012-11-17 14:50                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-11-17 14:56                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-17 14:56                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-17 15:17                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2012-11-17 15:17                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2012-11-17 15:24                                   ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-17 15:24                                     ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-17 21:53                                     ` Shentino
2012-11-17 21:53                                       ` Shentino
2012-11-18 15:29                                       ` Michel Lespinasse
2012-11-18 15:29                                         ` Michel Lespinasse
2012-10-26 18:46                     ` [PATCH 3/3] mm,generic: only flush the local TLB in ptep_set_access_flags Rik van Riel
2012-10-26 18:46                       ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-26 18:48                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26 18:48                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26 18:53                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26 18:53                           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26 18:57                         ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-26 18:57                           ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-26 19:16                           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26 19:16                             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26 19:33                             ` [PATCH -v2 " Rik van Riel
2012-10-26 19:33                               ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-26 13:23                 ` [PATCH 05/31] x86/mm: Reduce tlb flushes from ptep_set_access_flags() Michel Lespinasse
2012-10-26 13:23                   ` Michel Lespinasse
2012-10-26 17:01               ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26 17:01                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26 17:54                 ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-26 17:54                   ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-26 18:02                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26 18:02                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26 18:14                     ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2012-10-26 18:14                       ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-26 18:41                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26 18:41                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 06/31] mm: Only flush the TLB when clearing an accessible pte Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 07/31] sched, numa, mm, s390/thp: Implement pmd_pgprot() for s390 Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-11-01 10:49   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-01 10:49     ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 08/31] sched, numa, mm, MIPS/thp: Add pmd_pgprot() implementation Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 09/31] mm/pgprot: Move the pgprot_modify() fallback definition to mm.h Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 10/31] mm/mpol: Remove NUMA_INTERLEAVE_HIT Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 20:58   ` Andi Kleen
2012-10-25 20:58     ` Andi Kleen
2012-10-26  7:59     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-26  7:59       ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 11/31] mm/mpol: Make MPOL_LOCAL a real policy Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-11-01 10:58   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-01 10:58     ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 12/31] mm/mpol: Add MPOL_MF_NOOP Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-11-01 11:10   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-01 11:10     ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 13/31] mm/mpol: Check for misplaced page Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 14/31] mm/mpol: Create special PROT_NONE infrastructure Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-11-01 11:51   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-01 11:51     ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 15/31] mm/mpol: Add MPOL_MF_LAZY Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-11-01 12:01   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-01 12:01     ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 16/31] numa, mm: Support NUMA hinting page faults from gup/gup_fast Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 17/31] mm/migrate: Introduce migrate_misplaced_page() Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-11-01 12:20   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-01 12:20     ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 18/31] mm/mpol: Use special PROT_NONE to migrate pages Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 19/31] sched, numa, mm: Introduce tsk_home_node() Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-11-01 13:48   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-01 13:48     ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 20/31] sched, numa, mm/mpol: Make mempolicy home-node aware Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-11-01 13:58   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-01 13:58     ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-01 14:10     ` Don Morris
2012-11-01 14:10       ` Don Morris
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 21/31] sched, numa, mm: Introduce sched_feat_numa() Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-11-01 14:00   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-01 14:00     ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 22/31] sched, numa, mm: Implement THP migration Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-11-01 14:16   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-01 14:16     ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 23/31] sched, numa, mm: Implement home-node awareness Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-11-01 15:06   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-01 15:06     ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 24/31] sched, numa, mm: Introduce last_nid in the pageframe Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-11-01 15:17   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-01 15:17     ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 25/31] sched, numa, mm/mpol: Add_MPOL_F_HOME Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 26/31] sched, numa, mm: Add fault driven placement and migration policy Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 20:53   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-25 20:53     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26  7:15     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-26  7:15       ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-26 13:50       ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-26 13:50         ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-26 14:11         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-26 14:11           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-26 14:14           ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-26 14:14             ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-26 16:47             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-26 16:47               ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-30 19:23   ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-30 19:23     ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-01 15:40   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-01 15:40     ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 27/31] sched, numa, mm: Add credits for NUMA placement Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 28/31] sched, numa, mm: Implement constant, per task Working Set Sampling (WSS) rate Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-11-01 15:48   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-01 15:48     ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 29/31] sched, numa, mm: Add NUMA_MIGRATION feature flag Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 30/31] sched, numa, mm: Implement slow start for working set sampling Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-11-01 15:52   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-01 15:52     ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 31/31] sched, numa, mm: Add memcg support to do_huge_pmd_numa_page() Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-25 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-26  9:07 ` [PATCH 00/31] numa/core patches Zhouping Liu
2012-10-26  9:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-26  9:08     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-26  9:20     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-26  9:20       ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-26  9:41       ` Zhouping Liu
2012-10-26  9:41         ` Zhouping Liu
2012-10-26 10:20       ` Zhouping Liu
2012-10-26 10:20         ` Zhouping Liu
2012-10-26 10:24         ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-26 10:24           ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-28 17:56     ` Johannes Weiner
2012-10-28 17:56       ` Johannes Weiner
2012-10-29  2:44       ` Zhouping Liu
2012-10-29  2:44         ` Zhouping Liu
2012-10-29  6:50         ` [PATCH] sched, numa, mm: Add memcg support to do_huge_pmd_numa_page() Ingo Molnar
2012-10-29  6:50           ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-29  8:24           ` Johannes Weiner
2012-10-29  8:24             ` Johannes Weiner
2012-10-29  8:36             ` Zhouping Liu
2012-10-29  8:36               ` Zhouping Liu
2012-10-29 11:15             ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-29 11:15               ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-30  6:29       ` [PATCH 00/31] numa/core patches Zhouping Liu
2012-10-30  6:29         ` Zhouping Liu
2012-10-31  0:48         ` Johannes Weiner
2012-10-31  0:48           ` Johannes Weiner
2012-10-31  7:26           ` Hugh Dickins
2012-10-31  7:26             ` Hugh Dickins
2012-10-31 13:15             ` Zhouping Liu
2012-10-31 13:15               ` Zhouping Liu
2012-10-31 17:31               ` Hugh Dickins
2012-10-31 17:31                 ` Hugh Dickins
2012-11-01 13:41                 ` Hugh Dickins
2012-11-01 13:41                   ` Hugh Dickins
2012-11-02  3:23                   ` Zhouping Liu
2012-11-02  3:23                     ` Zhouping Liu
2012-11-02 23:06                     ` Hugh Dickins
2012-11-02 23:06                       ` Hugh Dickins
2012-10-30 12:20 ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-30 12:20   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-30 15:28   ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-30 15:28     ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-30 16:59     ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-30 16:59       ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-03 11:04   ` Alex Shi
2012-11-03 11:04     ` Alex Shi
2012-11-03 12:21     ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-03 12:21       ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-10  2:47       ` Alex Shi
2012-11-10  2:47         ` Alex Shi
2012-11-12  9:50         ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-12  9:50           ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-09  8:51   ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-09  8:51     ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-05 17:11 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2012-11-05 17:11   ` Srikar Dronamraju

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