parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[dann frazier]

Hi,
 I've been informed that the subnet on which HP is hosting
parisc-linux.org is going away next month. They have offered to ship
the hardware somewhere if it continues to be needed.

Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[James Bottomley]

On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 17:35 -0700, dann frazier wrote:
> Hi,
>  I've been informed that the subnet on which HP is hosting
> parisc-linux.org is going away next month. They have offered to ship
> the hardware somewhere if it continues to be needed.

We'll probably end up distributing to people.  Do they have a list of
what it is (and approximate size for those wanting the N class)?

Thanks,

James

Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[John David Anglin]

On 4-Nov-13, at 7:56 PM, James Bottomley wrote:

> On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 17:35 -0700, dann frazier wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I've been informed that the subnet on which HP is hosting
>> parisc-linux.org is going away next month. They have offered to ship
>> the hardware somewhere if it continues to be needed.
>
> We'll probably end up distributing to people.  Do they have a list of
> what it is (and approximate size for those wanting the N class)?


Is there any possibility that HP might continue to host parisc-linux.org
on some other subnet/machine?

Dave
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Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[dann frazier]

On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 08:07:33PM -0500, John David Anglin wrote:
> On 4-Nov-13, at 7:56 PM, James Bottomley wrote:
> 
> >On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 17:35 -0700, dann frazier wrote:
> >>Hi,
> >>I've been informed that the subnet on which HP is hosting
> >>parisc-linux.org is going away next month. They have offered to ship
> >>the hardware somewhere if it continues to be needed.
> >
> >We'll probably end up distributing to people.  Do they have a list of
> >what it is (and approximate size for those wanting the N class)?
> 
> 
> Is there any possibility that HP might continue to host parisc-linux.org
> on some other subnet/machine?

I've asked before if they had other systems/VMs they could host it on
and the answer was no. I'll ask again to make sure that hasn't changed
for some reason, but I'd recommend looking for other options in the
meantime. Perhaps osuosl.org?

Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[Craig Lamparter (ISS Linux)]

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Just to confirm Dan's comment, HPIT is taking ownership of just
about everything, so it's harder to do g-jobs like this.  Even
our internal labs are being moved to isolated subnets, for better or
worse.  A University or co-lo system is probably going to have
better throughput than our current R&D edge compartments.

best,
-craig

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Hewlett Packard Company
craig.lamparter@hp.com

On 11/04/2013 06:22 PM, dann frazier wrote:
> I've asked before if they had other systems/VMs they could host it on
> and the answer was no. I'll ask again to make sure that hasn't changed
> for some reason, but I'd recommend looking for other options in the
> meantime. Perhaps osuosl.org?


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Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[Helge Deller]

On 11/05/2013 04:58 AM, Craig Lamparter (ISS Linux) wrote:
> Just to confirm Dan's comment, HPIT is taking ownership of just
> about everything, so it's harder to do g-jobs like this.  Even
> our internal labs are being moved to isolated subnets, for better or
> worse.  A University or co-lo system is probably going to have
> better throughput than our current R&D edge compartments.

Just as an update:
I opened a "hosting request ticket" at osuosl.org on 11/05/2013 for the A500.
No answer yet, but they mentioned that it may take some time (up to a week?).

Then, what will happen to to domain name parisc-linux.org ?
According to whois, it belongs to HP/Ft.Collins.
Will HP keep this domain name?

Otherwise Thibaut Varene (CC'ed) offered to take over the domain and take care 
of it at least for a year.
Who would be a contact for such a transition?

Helge

Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[dann frazier]

On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 11:22:32PM +0100, Helge Deller wrote:
> On 11/05/2013 04:58 AM, Craig Lamparter (ISS Linux) wrote:
> > Just to confirm Dan's comment, HPIT is taking ownership of just
> > about everything, so it's harder to do g-jobs like this.  Even
> > our internal labs are being moved to isolated subnets, for better or
> > worse.  A University or co-lo system is probably going to have
> > better throughput than our current R&D edge compartments.
> 
> Just as an update:
> I opened a "hosting request ticket" at osuosl.org on 11/05/2013 for the A500.
> No answer yet, but they mentioned that it may take some time (up to a week?).
> 
> Then, what will happen to to domain name parisc-linux.org ?
> According to whois, it belongs to HP/Ft.Collins.
> Will HP keep this domain name?
> 
> Otherwise Thibaut Varene (CC'ed) offered to take over the domain and take care 
> of it at least for a year.
> Who would be a contact for such a transition?

Taggart: is that you?

Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[Matt Taggart]

dann frazier writes:

> Taggart: is that you?

Hey whadda know it is! And somehow my brain remembered the login and 
password despite not having recorded it somewhere.

I have unlocked the domain and I'll keep an eye out for requests asking me 
to approve the transfer to Thibaut.

-- 
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matt@lackof.org

Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[Thibaut Varène]

Le 9 nov. 2013 =E0 09:20, Matt Taggart <matt@lackof.org> a =E9crit :

> dann frazier writes:
>=20
>> Taggart: is that you?
>=20
> Hey whadda know it is! And somehow my brain remembered the login and=20
> password despite not having recorded it somewhere.
>=20
> I have unlocked the domain and I'll keep an eye out for requests aski=
ng me=20
> to approve the transfer to Thibaut.

Turns out it=92s not gonna be that easy. I suspect here=92s why:
Expiration Date:09-Aug-2014 23:07:58 UTC

Until then, it=92s presumably impossible to move the domain to a new ow=
ner. I=92ve just tried with my registrar of choice (ovh.com) and it say=
s that I can only move the domain there *without* changing ownership=85

As a temporary workaround, I could give you the IP addresses of my DNS =
servers (once I=92ve readied them for handling p-l.o, which, to begin w=
ith, means I have to copy the existing zone), which would for all pract=
ical purposes give me control over the domain until it can be properly =
moved next summer (which must not be forgotten, especially now that you=
=92ve unlocked the domain).

What do you think?

T-Bone
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Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[Matt Taggart]

Thibaut Var=E8ne writes:
> Until then, it's presumably impossible to move the domain to a new
> owner. I've just tried with my registrar of choice (ovh.com) and it
> says that I can only move the domain there *without* changing ownersh=
ip

Weird. So does that mean to change ownership either you are going to ha=
ve=20
to move it within my registrar or I am going to have to move it within=20
yours?

> As a temporary workaround, I could give you the IP addresses of my DN=
S
> servers (once I've readied them for handling p-l.o, which, to begin
> with, means I have to copy the existing zone), which would for all
> practical purposes give me control over the domain until it can be
> properly moved next summer (which must not be forgotten, especially n=
ow
> that you've unlocked the domain).

I can change the nameservers (or anything else about the domain) whenev=
er,=20
just let me know. taggart@OFTC

--=20
Matt Taggart
matt@lackof.org


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Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[Helge Deller]

On 11/09/2013 08:17 PM, Matt Taggart wrote:
> Thibaut Var=E8ne writes:
>> Until then, it's presumably impossible to move the domain to a new
>> owner. I've just tried with my registrar of choice (ovh.com) and it
>> says that I can only move the domain there *without* changing owners=
hip
>=20
> Weird. So does that mean to change ownership either you are going to =
have=20
> to move it within my registrar or I am going to have to move it withi=
n=20
> yours?
>=20
>> As a temporary workaround, I could give you the IP addresses of my D=
NS
>> servers (once I've readied them for handling p-l.o, which, to begin
>> with, means I have to copy the existing zone), which would for all
>> practical purposes give me control over the domain until it can be
>> properly moved next summer (which must not be forgotten, especially =
now
>> that you've unlocked the domain).
>=20
> I can change the nameservers (or anything else about the domain) when=
ever,=20
> just let me know. taggart@OFTC

Just as a side-note:
Could we let it run as-is as long as possible? At least until the A500 =
is really turned off?

Dave & me have the parisc-linux debian dpkg repository still on the A50=
0 which is still in=20
heavy use until the debian-ports repository is mostly filled...

Helge
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Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[John David Anglin]

On 9-Nov-13, at 3:25 PM, Helge Deller wrote:

> On 11/09/2013 08:17 PM, Matt Taggart wrote:
>> Thibaut Var=E8ne writes:
>>> Until then, it's presumably impossible to move the domain to a new
>>> owner. I've just tried with my registrar of choice (ovh.com) and it
>>> says that I can only move the domain there *without* changing =20
>>> ownership
>>
>> Weird. So does that mean to change ownership either you are going =20
>> to have
>> to move it within my registrar or I am going to have to move it =20
>> within
>> yours?
>>
>>> As a temporary workaround, I could give you the IP addresses of my =
=20
>>> DNS
>>> servers (once I've readied them for handling p-l.o, which, to begin
>>> with, means I have to copy the existing zone), which would for all
>>> practical purposes give me control over the domain until it can be
>>> properly moved next summer (which must not be forgotten, =20
>>> especially now
>>> that you've unlocked the domain).
>>
>> I can change the nameservers (or anything else about the domain) =20
>> whenever,
>> just let me know. taggart@OFTC
>
> Just as a side-note:
> Could we let it run as-is as long as possible? At least until the =20
> A500 is really turned off?
>
> Dave & me have the parisc-linux debian dpkg repository still on the =20
> A500 which is still in
> heavy use until the debian-ports repository is mostly filled...


I want to setup a personal mirror while it's still on to facilitate =20
the transition to ports.

Dave
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Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[Helge Deller]

On 11/09/2013 09:33 PM, John David Anglin wrote:
> On 9-Nov-13, at 3:25 PM, Helge Deller wrote:
>=20
>> On 11/09/2013 08:17 PM, Matt Taggart wrote:
>>> Thibaut Var=E8ne writes:
>>>> Until then, it's presumably impossible to move the domain to a new
>>>> owner. I've just tried with my registrar of choice (ovh.com) and i=
t
>>>> says that I can only move the domain there *without* changing owne=
rship
>>>
>>> Weird. So does that mean to change ownership either you are going t=
o have
>>> to move it within my registrar or I am going to have to move it wit=
hin
>>> yours?
>>>
>>>> As a temporary workaround, I could give you the IP addresses of my=
 DNS
>>>> servers (once I've readied them for handling p-l.o, which, to begi=
n
>>>> with, means I have to copy the existing zone), which would for all
>>>> practical purposes give me control over the domain until it can be
>>>> properly moved next summer (which must not be forgotten, especiall=
y now
>>>> that you've unlocked the domain).
>>>
>>> I can change the nameservers (or anything else about the domain) wh=
enever,
>>> just let me know. taggart@OFTC
>>
>> Just as a side-note:
>> Could we let it run as-is as long as possible? At least until the A5=
00 is really turned off?
>>
>> Dave & me have the parisc-linux debian dpkg repository still on the =
A500 which is still in
>> heavy use until the debian-ports repository is mostly filled...
>=20
>=20
> I want to setup a personal mirror while it's still on to facilitate t=
he transition to ports.

Ok, but will you make your mirror visible to the world via http/ftp or =
will you keep it internal for you privately?=20

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Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[John David Anglin]

On 9-Nov-13, at 3:40 PM, Helge Deller wrote:

> On 11/09/2013 09:33 PM, John David Anglin wrote:
>> On 9-Nov-13, at 3:25 PM, Helge Deller wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/09/2013 08:17 PM, Matt Taggart wrote:
>>>> Thibaut Var=E8ne writes:
>>>>> Until then, it's presumably impossible to move the domain to a ne=
w
>>>>> owner. I've just tried with my registrar of choice (ovh.com) and =
=20
>>>>> it
>>>>> says that I can only move the domain there *without* changing =20
>>>>> ownership
>>>>
>>>> Weird. So does that mean to change ownership either you are going =
=20
>>>> to have
>>>> to move it within my registrar or I am going to have to move it =20
>>>> within
>>>> yours?
>>>>
>>>>> As a temporary workaround, I could give you the IP addresses of =20
>>>>> my DNS
>>>>> servers (once I've readied them for handling p-l.o, which, to =20
>>>>> begin
>>>>> with, means I have to copy the existing zone), which would for al=
l
>>>>> practical purposes give me control over the domain until it can b=
e
>>>>> properly moved next summer (which must not be forgotten, =20
>>>>> especially now
>>>>> that you've unlocked the domain).
>>>>
>>>> I can change the nameservers (or anything else about the domain) =20
>>>> whenever,
>>>> just let me know. taggart@OFTC
>>>
>>> Just as a side-note:
>>> Could we let it run as-is as long as possible? At least until the =20
>>> A500 is really turned off?
>>>
>>> Dave & me have the parisc-linux debian dpkg repository still on =20
>>> the A500 which is still in
>>> heavy use until the debian-ports repository is mostly filled...
>>
>>
>> I want to setup a personal mirror while it's still on to facilitate =
=20
>> the transition to ports.
>
> Ok, but will you make your mirror visible to the world via http/ftp =20
> or will you keep it internal for you privately?


I wasn't planning to make it visible because my total uploads and =20
downloads are limited by my ISP.

Dave
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Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[Thibaut Varène]

Le 9 nov. 2013 =E0 21:25, Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de> a =E9crit :

> On 11/09/2013 08:17 PM, Matt Taggart wrote:
>> Thibaut Var=E8ne writes:
>>> Until then, it's presumably impossible to move the domain to a new
>>> owner. I've just tried with my registrar of choice (ovh.com) and it
>>> says that I can only move the domain there *without* changing owner=
ship
>>=20
>> Weird. So does that mean to change ownership either you are going to=
 have=20
>> to move it within my registrar or I am going to have to move it with=
in=20
>> yours?
>>=20
>>> As a temporary workaround, I could give you the IP addresses of my =
DNS
>>> servers (once I've readied them for handling p-l.o, which, to begin
>>> with, means I have to copy the existing zone), which would for all
>>> practical purposes give me control over the domain until it can be
>>> properly moved next summer (which must not be forgotten, especially=
 now
>>> that you've unlocked the domain).
>>=20
>> I can change the nameservers (or anything else about the domain) whe=
never,=20
>> just let me know. taggart@OFTC
>=20
> Just as a side-note:
> Could we let it run as-is as long as possible? At least until the A50=
0 is really turned off?

My plan is to setup new DNSes with the current situation to start with,=
 and have Matt register them as zone DNS. That=92ll be transparent for =
everyone, situation unchanged, until the A500 is powered off, at which =
point we can devise a new setup. As I told you, my primary concern is w=
ith email, so I=92ll have that covered :)
>=20
> Dave & me have the parisc-linux debian dpkg repository still on the A=
500 which is still in=20
> heavy use until the debian-ports repository is mostly filled=85

I might be able to *temporarily* (emphasis on that word) host it, provi=
ded it=92s not =AB too big =BB, but as I said, specific protocols such =
as FTP or GIT are not possible (only HTTP).

HTH

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Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[Helge Deller]

Hi Thibaut,

On 11/09/2013 10:26 PM, Thibaut Var=E8ne wrote:
>> Just as a side-note: Could we let it run as-is as long as possible?
>> At least until the A500 is really turned off?
>=20
> My plan is to setup new DNSes with the current situation to start
> with, and have Matt register them as zone DNS. That=92ll be transpare=
nt
> for everyone, situation unchanged, until the A500 is powered off, at
> which point we can devise a new setup. As I told you, my primary
> concern is with email, so I=92ll have that covered :)

That's good!

>> Dave & me have the parisc-linux debian dpkg repository still on the
>> A500 which is still in heavy use until the debian-ports repository
>> is mostly filled=85
>=20
> I might be able to *temporarily* (emphasis on that word) host it,
> provided it=92s not =AB too big =BB, but as I said, specific protocol=
s such
> as FTP or GIT are not possible (only HTTP).

HTTP would be absolutely fine. Actually, this is what we currently use.

I just checked the archive. It's currently - including temporary boot-d=
isk-images - 19GB.
I don't think it will grow a lot during the next weeks/months, and give=
n the
fact that there aren't so many parisc-users, the load will probably not
be high.

Helge

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Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[John David Anglin]

On 9-Nov-13, at 4:31 PM, Helge Deller wrote:

>> I might be able to *temporarily* (emphasis on that word) host it,
>> provided it=92s not =AB too big =BB, but as I said, specific protoco=
ls such
>> as FTP or GIT are not possible (only HTTP).
>
> HTTP would be absolutely fine. Actually, this is what we currently =20
> use.
>
> I just checked the archive. It's currently - including temporary =20
> boot-disk-images - 19GB.
> I don't think it will grow a lot during the next weeks/months, and =20
> given the
> fact that there aren't so many parisc-users, the load will probably =20
> not
> be high.

I think we should freeze the repository in its current state.

I'm no longer building "all" packages, just "hppa" packages.  This is =20
what's needed
for upload to ports.  Some "hppa" packages depend on a specific =20
version of an "all"
package, so continuing to upload will break dependencies.

Dave
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Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[Thibaut Varène]

On 9 nov. 2013, at 22:31, Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de> wrote:

> Hi Thibaut,
>=20
> On 11/09/2013 10:26 PM, Thibaut Var=E8ne wrote:
>>> Just as a side-note: Could we let it run as-is as long as possible?
>>> At least until the A500 is really turned off?
>>=20
>> My plan is to setup new DNSes with the current situation to start
>> with, and have Matt register them as zone DNS. That=92ll be transpar=
ent
>> for everyone, situation unchanged, until the A500 is powered off, at
>> which point we can devise a new setup. As I told you, my primary
>> concern is with email, so I=92ll have that covered :)
>=20
> That's good!

Quick update: the DNS transition is done, I now control the domain's DN=
S. As usual, direct complaints to /dev/null if anything breaks ;-)

That aside, regarding my upcoming plans: I'm fine with hosting followin=
g websites:
- www (as far as the main static website is concerned - NO HOMEDIRs - s=
ince I already host a mirror, it's really easy)
- wiki (already hosted by me, no change)
- ftp (web access only, provided the debian-ports part of the archive d=
oesn't grow much beyond 20G, and for as short a period of time as can b=
e achieved.)

hwdb will have to go, I just cba moving it and dealing with potential P=
HP exploits ;P
cvs will have to go too, if someone wants to archive it for posterity (=
it's about 8.4G), now would be a good time.

Regarding email, my plan is to setup a "forward-only" MTA. As far as I =
can tell, most active users of p-l.o already have a .forward setup, wit=
h the notable exception of willy (explicitly CC'd here). Of course, if =
someone wants to step up and handle p-l.o email on their own, they're w=
elcome to raise a hand ;)

NB: the people having bits of importance left in their homedir on p-l.o=
 should probably think about backing them up ASAP, these won't be moved=
 over.

Since the domain expires on August 2014, I believe this gives us suffic=
ient time to evaluate "what to do next". As far as *I* am concerned, I =
plan to have transitioned all references to my p-l.o email address (mos=
tly in source code) by then, meaning that *I* will probably not see a n=
eed to keep the domain going beyond that point. I would like to explici=
tly point out here that I commit myself to providing hosting facilities=
 as explained above UNTIL THEN, after which I reserve the right to "mov=
e on".

HINT HINT HINT: if someone wants to keep p-l.o going after that point, =
they'll have to keep that deadline in mind.
I am offering a transition as the A500 is being decommissioned, but I a=
m NOT offering a permanent solution.

=46inally, do we have an exact date as to when the A500 will be powered=
 down?

HTH,
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Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[Martin K. Petersen]

>>>>> "Thibaut" =3D=3D Thibaut Var=C3=A8ne <T-Bone@parisc-linux.org> wr=
ites:

Thibaut> Quick update: the DNS transition is done, I now control the
Thibaut> domain's DNS. As usual, direct complaints to /dev/null if
Thibaut> anything breaks ;-)

Do you want me to continue to be secondary name server and MX or should
I turn it off?

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Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[Helge Deller]

On 11/11/2013 08:43 PM, Thibaut Var=E8ne wrote:
> Quick update: the DNS transition is done, I now control the domain's
> DNS. As usual, direct complaints to /dev/null if anything breaks ;-)

Very good.
=20
> That aside, regarding my upcoming plans: I'm fine with hosting
> following websites: - www (as far as the main static website is
> concerned - NO HOMEDIRs - since I already host a mirror, it's really
> easy) - wiki (already hosted by me, no change) - ftp (web access
> only, provided the debian-ports part of the archive doesn't grow much
> beyond 20G, and for as short a period of time as can be achieved.)

Ok.
=20
> hwdb will have to go, I just cba moving it and dealing with potential
> PHP exploits ;P cvs will have to go too, if someone wants to archive
> it for posterity (it's about 8.4G), now would be a good time.

Ok.
I will not miss the hwdb and cvs.=20

> Regarding email, my plan is to setup a "forward-only" MTA. As far as
> I can tell, most active users of p-l.o already have a .forward setup,
> with the notable exception of willy (explicitly CC'd here). Of
> course, if someone wants to step up and handle p-l.o email on their
> own, they're welcome to raise a hand ;)

Ok.

> Since the domain expires on August 2014, I believe this gives us
> sufficient time to evaluate "what to do next". As far as *I* am
> concerned, I plan to have transitioned all references to my p-l.o
> email address (mostly in source code) by then, meaning that *I* will
> probably not see a need to keep the domain going beyond that point. I
> would like to explicitly point out here that I commit myself to
> providing hosting facilities as explained above UNTIL THEN, after
> which I reserve the right to "move on".

That's OK for me.
Just let us know.
Will you add a reminder to your calendar?
=20
> HINT HINT HINT: if someone wants to keep p-l.o going after that
> point, they'll have to keep that deadline in mind. I am offering a
> transition as the A500 is being decommissioned, but I am NOT offering
> a permanent solution.

Sure.
=20
> Finally, do we have an exact date as to when the A500 will be powered
> down?

Again, I'm happy as long as it can live.
Sadly still no feedback from OSUOSL.

Helge
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Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[James Bottomley]

On Tue, 2013-11-12 at 20:47 +0100, Helge Deller wrote:
> Again, I'm happy as long as it can live.
> Sadly still no feedback from OSUOSL.

If you filled in the form over a week ago, ping Lance directly.

James

Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[Thibaut Varène]

On 12 nov. 2013, at 20:47, Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de> wrote:
> On 11/11/2013 08:43 PM, Thibaut Var=E8ne wrote:

>> Finally, do we have an exact date as to when the A500 will be powere=
d
>> down?
>=20
> Again, I'm happy as long as it can live.

I'm happy too, but then again, if we want a smooth transition, having a=
 date for when to push the button would be nice...

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Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[Thibaut Varène]

Le 9 nov. 2013 =E0 20:17, Matt Taggart <matt@lackof.org> a =E9crit :

> Thibaut Var=E8ne writes:
>> Until then, it's presumably impossible to move the domain to a new
>> owner. I've just tried with my registrar of choice (ovh.com) and it
>> says that I can only move the domain there *without* changing owners=
hip
>=20
> Weird. So does that mean to change ownership either you are going to =
have=20
> to move it within my registrar or I am going to have to move it withi=
n=20
> yours?

No, the thing is that when domains expire, you have IIRC a 30-day grace=
 period where you can gracefully renew or transfer them. That=92s what =
we=92re looking for, I think, and since p-l.o expires in august 2014, w=
e=92re quite a bit too early.
>=20
>> As a temporary workaround, I could give you the IP addresses of my D=
NS
>> servers (once I've readied them for handling p-l.o, which, to begin
>> with, means I have to copy the existing zone), which would for all
>> practical purposes give me control over the domain until it can be
>> properly moved next summer (which must not be forgotten, especially =
now
>> that you've unlocked the domain).
>=20
> I can change the nameservers (or anything else about the domain) when=
ever,=20
> just let me know. taggart@OFTC

OK, I=92ll try to prepare everything next week and will ping you then, =
thanks!

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Aw: Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[Helge Deller]

> > Is there any possibility that HP might continue to host parisc-linux.org
> > on some other subnet/machine?
> 
> I've asked before if they had other systems/VMs they could host it on
> and the answer was no. I'll ask again to make sure that hasn't changed
> for some reason, but I'd recommend looking for other options in the
> meantime. Perhaps osuosl.org?

I would really prefer if it could go to some place where we e.g. could
use it as build/hosting server (e.g. osuosl.org). If that's not possible
I would be happy to get it privately for development, since a A500 is something 
which I don't have yet, and which is not that easy to get here in germany.

Helge

Re: Aw: Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[John David Anglin]

On 11/5/2013 5:51 AM, Helge Deller wrote:
>>> Is there any possibility that HP might continue to host parisc-linux.org
>>> on some other subnet/machine?
>> I've asked before if they had other systems/VMs they could host it on
>> and the answer was no. I'll ask again to make sure that hasn't changed
>> for some reason, but I'd recommend looking for other options in the
>> meantime. Perhaps osuosl.org?
> I would really prefer if it could go to some place where we e.g. could
> use it as build/hosting server (e.g. osuosl.org). If that's not possible
> I would be happy to get it privately for development, since a A500 is something
> which I don't have yet, and which is not that easy to get here in germany.
>
osuosl.org might well be a good alternative.  Helge, would you fill in 
application?

If osuosl doesn't work out, I would support Helge receiving the 
machine.  I have an A500.

Regarding the website and wiki, there may be ways to handle that as the 
bandwidth requirements
aren't large.

Regarding the unstable archive, Helge and I were recently given accounts 
on debian-ports and
now can do package uploads.  I upload the first yesterday.  We need an 
unstable archive from which
it's possible to  debootstrap to help with this migration.  Will have to 
look at setting this up locally.

Dave

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Re: Aw: Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[Helge Deller]

On 11/05/2013 07:28 PM, John David Anglin wrote:
> On 11/5/2013 5:51 AM, Helge Deller wrote:
>>>> Is there any possibility that HP might continue to host parisc-linux.org
>>>> on some other subnet/machine?
>>> I've asked before if they had other systems/VMs they could host it on
>>> and the answer was no. I'll ask again to make sure that hasn't changed
>>> for some reason, but I'd recommend looking for other options in the
>>> meantime. Perhaps osuosl.org?
>> I would really prefer if it could go to some place where we e.g. could
>> use it as build/hosting server (e.g. osuosl.org). If that's not possible
>> I would be happy to get it privately for development, since a A500 is something
>> which I don't have yet, and which is not that easy to get here in germany.
>>
> osuosl.org might well be a good alternative.  Helge, would you fill in application?

I will do.

 
> If osuosl doesn't work out, I would support Helge receiving the machine.  I have an A500.
> 
> Regarding the website and wiki, there may be ways to handle that as the bandwidth requirements
> aren't large.

We have a new wiki at 
	https://parisc.wiki.kernel.org/
which I thought to be used as replacement for the website.
I've already started to migrate some pages over.
Anyone is welcome to help with this wiki.

Our regular Wiki (http://wiki.parisc-linux.org/) is hosted at servers from ESIEE and are not affected (AFAICS).
Nevertheless, maybe it would make sense to merge those over to the wiki at kernel.org too? 

> Regarding the unstable archive, Helge and I were recently given accounts on debian-ports and
> now can do package uploads.  I upload the first yesterday.  We need an unstable archive from which
> it's possible to  debootstrap to help with this migration.  Will have to look at setting this up locally.

If the archive at debian-ports works out, why do you want an additional debootstrap location?

Helge

Re: Aw: Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[John David Anglin]

On 11/5/2013 4:35 PM, Helge Deller wrote:
>> Regarding the unstable archive, Helge and I were recently given accounts on debian-ports and
>> >now can do package uploads.  I upload the first yesterday.  We need an unstable archive from which
>> >it's possible to  debootstrap to help with this migration.  Will have to look at setting this up locally.
> If the archive at debian-ports works out, why do you want an additional debootstrap location?
A buildd is setup initially using debootstrap.  This gives a minimal 
build system.
Then, package dependencies are dynamically resolved for each build as I 
understand it.

Even doing manual builds, one must set the required dependencies and 
resolve conflicts.  While this can be
done using a package archive stored in directory, it's easier to grab 
the needed packages with apt-get.
It will take some time (several months?) for debian-ports to reach the 
package collection on parisc-linux.org.

None of the packages on parisc-linux.org are signed and they lack a 
.changes file, so they can't be directly
uploaded as I understand it.

If we can't continue with a public archive (this allows others access as 
well during transition), then it would be best
to copy the archive to our respective local systems and use it while we 
bring ports up to speed.

Dave

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Re: parisc-linux.org losing hw hosting after this month

[dann frazier]

On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 08:56:02AM +0800, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 17:35 -0700, dann frazier wrote:
> > Hi,
> >  I've been informed that the subnet on which HP is hosting
> > parisc-linux.org is going away next month. They have offered to ship
> > the hardware somewhere if it continues to be needed.
> 
> We'll probably end up distributing to people.  Do they have a list of
> what it is (and approximate size for those wanting the N class)?

According to the inventory spreadsheet they shared with me, the only
thing left is the A500 currently hosting parisc-linux.org.