* Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
@ 2013-12-23 20:12 Ove Karlsen
2014-01-07 19:44 ` Liam Lindholm
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ove Karlsen @ 2013-12-23 20:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: LKML
In school, many national idols, art, and "national romantic" writings
are read. These are irrational variants of ancestor worship, that turns
ignorant people to brats. A flag nothing else than a totempole. A
monarchy nothing else than the development of old fertiliycults. Where
Brutus and Bimbo no doubt are central.
No doubt even Stallman was bothered by those in his youth. And maybe
that is what is bothering many. Why anyone should go to school, to be
harassed for many years, I do not understand. I am well into my thirties
and realizing how much of a pain school really was, although I was not
the one most bothered, and I have seen many processing that, on youtube,
and other places.
Behaviour on the internet is a problem, and it seems similar, and that
is really what reminded me of it.
Stallman however made his own idol instead. The "GNU" is a similar
thing, a phallic idol of himself, as all idols are. And everyone
complains about the pseudoreligious brats in linux-circles.
It is ofcourse not real religion, but idolatry, and with made up idols.
And that it is idolatry, is a important distinction to make.
This is really at the base of facism, and seen for instance, when people
censor criticism like this, in favour of some idol. Be that Stallmans
Gnu, or gayactivism, 1950s gear worshippers, or people who think
1024x768 is the ultimate resolution. Or many odd things. Which is common
online.
Hippies also really are idolaters, sunworship, really the same as
swastika-worship. This scene from "Tommy" says a lot about what an
idolater is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IVwkz-BQGc
Everyone is born with a monotheist nature though.
On LKML, I have also seen arguments that resemble monotheism. For
instance lately, Linus said he didn´t want a corporate mindset. He has
also talked about natural developments, and also Gabriel Newell, inspite
of clear "psychedelic" art in some of his games, talk about letting
naturality take place. Hopefully that means reiterating out that
element, as it really is about the same again. And "just for fun", is
close to "for the praises of God" is it not.
Our nature, is "muslim". Which means "in submission to God".
In Daoism, one talks about surrender and alignment.
In Buddhism and Daoism, both talk about quietness of the mind.
In Islam one talks about peace generally. And defines idolatry as
unnatural, polytheism, and association with God, and The Quran states,
God created you with the most upright nature.
And one superordinate concept, one God, can also be logically defended
by Aristotles prime mover, and philosophical principles like The
Finetuning Argument. However many do not even know this, and think
monotheism is illogical, yet the school of logic, is said to have been
established by Aristotle. The same logic ofcourse, really the insight of
any true prophet. Programmers often like logic, and should know this.
And Atheism do not have that, but often an irrational randomness, that
is given power to create, or claimed to be anything but white-noise. A
series of random events are white noise, equal probability for any
frequency. And Einsten and pseudoreligious scientific pantheism cannot
be rationally defended, as with pantheism infinity is irrationally
assigned to objects, truth is false, good is bad, god is satan, and many
of these defend idolaterous images. Dawkins discussions sometimes seen
on youtube, with beasthead idols, outside the building. Similar to the
sphinx-idols of Egypt ofcourse. Yet again phallic. And many who makes
claims about madness themselves, such as psychiatrists follow Freud
whose focus on libido, is just another rephrasing of phallic idolatry,
and the facism these uphold is known. Atheism also again irrational
idolatry.
Removing irrational "randomness" from reality, leaves no coincidences,
nothing "just happens", unless God wills. And one gets a necessary
creator, that logically must be almighty, and sustainer of the heavens
and the earth. One who obviously guides and deludes whomever he wills.
And talks about mercy towards the believers.
And Darwin makes irrational claims about species. No species that mutate
in any such degree, would ofcourse stop to mutate, and all species would
have left an enormous amount of mutations that did not make it. And even
just two compatible mutations, from another species, is absurd theory.
And mutation is not any object of occult power.
And ofcourse Stallman claims to have some power of giving freedom to
hackers, by his GPL licence, are fradulent.
Any of these, whether you view them more or less influental is just
doing the same.
Free fantasy and conjuring of unreal things. If you are looking for the
logical, and really scientific view, that is Artistotle still. And
stallman does ofcourse not know what freedom is. And even making an idol
of himself. Maybe he was of those who used LSD, it used to be popular,
and unfortunately still is too popular. Turning people to stooges.
Freedom, and natural behaviour comes with natural religion, that
protects human values. (non-sectarian) and godconsciousness. God is
almighty and just, Lord of The Heavens And The Earth.
And Open-source is now well-understood, a better term, and is good
development, and much more graceful, than his slogans.
If one is to fix the problem of ill-behaved participants anywhere, the
conflicts lies in monotheism vs idolatry (polytheism), as always.
This can all be solved. Stallman does not have any occult powers, to
allow him only to write licences, and indeed if the licence was kernel
code, it would have been patched out, for reasons of obscurity, a long
time ago.
I actually made a very simple licence for my own DSP-code, which atleast
works for me. It takes my understanding of "Open source", and words it
as simple as possible.
"This program, plugin or function is licenced under
The Beneficient Open-Source Licence.
That means that its source is released
and shall stay available openly,
to benefit humankind, in the path of God.
And that shall apply to developments,
modifications, derivations, and branches.
The licence may not be changed, but modifications
between program, plugin and function may be done,
and used alongside software of other licences.
Peace Be With You."
That should be well understood in the beneficial arrangements of monotheism.
I also wrote it a little bit like this, to hint at library buliding of
re-used components.
Ultimately it is about information-management, and good communication. I
wrote on my blog about decentralized blog/magazine style keyword
network, as a maybe usenet inspired modern iteration of many online
technologies.
--
Peace Be With You
Ove Karlsen
http://www.ovekarlsen.com
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* Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
2013-12-23 20:12 Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour Ove Karlsen
@ 2014-01-07 19:44 ` Liam Lindholm
2014-01-07 20:52 ` Richard Dunn
2014-01-09 16:43 ` IO Ove Karlsen
2014-01-09 20:21 ` Andrew Tanenbaum Ove Karlsen
2 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Liam Lindholm @ 2014-01-07 19:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ove Karlsen; +Cc: LKML
Mr. Karlsen,
I find your response to my initial email quite interesting, but do not
quite understand it. My mind is very sluggish here in Sweden where it
is very, very cold. Sluggish like a cluster of 386s running Linux on a
kitchen table in someone's backwoods shack.
In case you didn't see it, here is the presentation Mr. Stallman gave
about the Free Software Foundation's "Say LiGNUx" campaign:
http://imgur.com/a/beY7E
Mr. Stallman clearly needs a break from promoting an increasingly
irrelevant software platform. In my first email, I suggested that we
ban him from LKML or asking the Linux Foundation to issue a press
release distancing themselves from RMS, GNU, and the Free
Software Foundation.
So far, to the best of my knowledge, none of those suggestions have
been acted upon.
If you do not mind, Mr. Karlsen, please elaborate. Do you agree with
me that calling Linux as LiGNUx is destructive and is without gains?
Or do you agree with Richard M. Stallman and think we should call
Linux as LiGNUx? How do you think about this, Mr. Karlsen?
Happy New Year.
Liam Oskar Lindholm,
Linux Kernel Hacker
On 12/23/13, Ove Karlsen <mail@ovekarlsen.com> wrote:
> In school, many national idols, art, and "national romantic" writings
> are read. These are irrational variants of ancestor worship, that turns
> ignorant people to brats. A flag nothing else than a totempole. A
> monarchy nothing else than the development of old fertiliycults. Where
> Brutus and Bimbo no doubt are central.
>
> No doubt even Stallman was bothered by those in his youth. And maybe
> that is what is bothering many. Why anyone should go to school, to be
> harassed for many years, I do not understand. I am well into my thirties
> and realizing how much of a pain school really was, although I was not
> the one most bothered, and I have seen many processing that, on youtube,
> and other places.
>
> Behaviour on the internet is a problem, and it seems similar, and that
> is really what reminded me of it.
>
> Stallman however made his own idol instead. The "GNU" is a similar
> thing, a phallic idol of himself, as all idols are. And everyone
> complains about the pseudoreligious brats in linux-circles.
>
> It is ofcourse not real religion, but idolatry, and with made up idols.
> And that it is idolatry, is a important distinction to make.
>
> This is really at the base of facism, and seen for instance, when people
> censor criticism like this, in favour of some idol. Be that Stallmans
> Gnu, or gayactivism, 1950s gear worshippers, or people who think
> 1024x768 is the ultimate resolution. Or many odd things. Which is common
> online.
>
> Hippies also really are idolaters, sunworship, really the same as
> swastika-worship. This scene from "Tommy" says a lot about what an
> idolater is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IVwkz-BQGc
>
> Everyone is born with a monotheist nature though.
>
> On LKML, I have also seen arguments that resemble monotheism. For
> instance lately, Linus said he didn´t want a corporate mindset. He has
> also talked about natural developments, and also Gabriel Newell, inspite
> of clear "psychedelic" art in some of his games, talk about letting
> naturality take place. Hopefully that means reiterating out that
> element, as it really is about the same again. And "just for fun", is
> close to "for the praises of God" is it not.
>
> Our nature, is "muslim". Which means "in submission to God".
> In Daoism, one talks about surrender and alignment.
> In Buddhism and Daoism, both talk about quietness of the mind.
> In Islam one talks about peace generally. And defines idolatry as
> unnatural, polytheism, and association with God, and The Quran states,
> God created you with the most upright nature.
>
> And one superordinate concept, one God, can also be logically defended
> by Aristotles prime mover, and philosophical principles like The
> Finetuning Argument. However many do not even know this, and think
> monotheism is illogical, yet the school of logic, is said to have been
> established by Aristotle. The same logic ofcourse, really the insight of
> any true prophet. Programmers often like logic, and should know this.
>
> And Atheism do not have that, but often an irrational randomness, that
> is given power to create, or claimed to be anything but white-noise. A
> series of random events are white noise, equal probability for any
> frequency. And Einsten and pseudoreligious scientific pantheism cannot
> be rationally defended, as with pantheism infinity is irrationally
> assigned to objects, truth is false, good is bad, god is satan, and many
> of these defend idolaterous images. Dawkins discussions sometimes seen
> on youtube, with beasthead idols, outside the building. Similar to the
> sphinx-idols of Egypt ofcourse. Yet again phallic. And many who makes
> claims about madness themselves, such as psychiatrists follow Freud
> whose focus on libido, is just another rephrasing of phallic idolatry,
> and the facism these uphold is known. Atheism also again irrational
> idolatry.
>
> Removing irrational "randomness" from reality, leaves no coincidences,
> nothing "just happens", unless God wills. And one gets a necessary
> creator, that logically must be almighty, and sustainer of the heavens
> and the earth. One who obviously guides and deludes whomever he wills.
> And talks about mercy towards the believers.
>
> And Darwin makes irrational claims about species. No species that mutate
> in any such degree, would ofcourse stop to mutate, and all species would
> have left an enormous amount of mutations that did not make it. And even
> just two compatible mutations, from another species, is absurd theory.
> And mutation is not any object of occult power.
>
> And ofcourse Stallman claims to have some power of giving freedom to
> hackers, by his GPL licence, are fradulent.
>
> Any of these, whether you view them more or less influental is just
> doing the same.
>
> Free fantasy and conjuring of unreal things. If you are looking for the
> logical, and really scientific view, that is Artistotle still. And
> stallman does ofcourse not know what freedom is. And even making an idol
> of himself. Maybe he was of those who used LSD, it used to be popular,
> and unfortunately still is too popular. Turning people to stooges.
>
> Freedom, and natural behaviour comes with natural religion, that
> protects human values. (non-sectarian) and godconsciousness. God is
> almighty and just, Lord of The Heavens And The Earth.
>
> And Open-source is now well-understood, a better term, and is good
> development, and much more graceful, than his slogans.
>
> If one is to fix the problem of ill-behaved participants anywhere, the
> conflicts lies in monotheism vs idolatry (polytheism), as always.
>
> This can all be solved. Stallman does not have any occult powers, to
> allow him only to write licences, and indeed if the licence was kernel
> code, it would have been patched out, for reasons of obscurity, a long
> time ago.
>
> I actually made a very simple licence for my own DSP-code, which atleast
> works for me. It takes my understanding of "Open source", and words it
> as simple as possible.
>
> "This program, plugin or function is licenced under
> The Beneficient Open-Source Licence.
>
> That means that its source is released
> and shall stay available openly,
> to benefit humankind, in the path of God.
> And that shall apply to developments,
> modifications, derivations, and branches.
>
> The licence may not be changed, but modifications
> between program, plugin and function may be done,
> and used alongside software of other licences.
>
> Peace Be With You."
>
> That should be well understood in the beneficial arrangements of
> monotheism.
>
> I also wrote it a little bit like this, to hint at library buliding of
> re-used components.
>
> Ultimately it is about information-management, and good communication. I
> wrote on my blog about decentralized blog/magazine style keyword
> network, as a maybe usenet inspired modern iteration of many online
> technologies.
>
> --
> Peace Be With You
> Ove Karlsen
> http://www.ovekarlsen.com
> --
> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
> Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
>
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* Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
2014-01-07 19:44 ` Liam Lindholm
@ 2014-01-07 20:52 ` Richard Dunn
2014-01-07 20:53 ` Ove Karlsen
` (5 more replies)
0 siblings, 6 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Richard Dunn @ 2014-01-07 20:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Liam Lindholm; +Cc: Ove Karlsen, LKML
In case you missed it, Phoronix covered your original email.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU1MTI
On 1/7/14, Liam Lindholm <liam.oskar.lindholm@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mr. Karlsen,
>
> I find your response to my initial email quite interesting, but do not
> quite understand it. My mind is very sluggish here in Sweden where it
> is very, very cold. Sluggish like a cluster of 386s running Linux on a
> kitchen table in someone's backwoods shack.
>
> In case you didn't see it, here is the presentation Mr. Stallman gave
> about the Free Software Foundation's "Say LiGNUx" campaign:
> http://imgur.com/a/beY7E
>
> Mr. Stallman clearly needs a break from promoting an increasingly
> irrelevant software platform. In my first email, I suggested that we
> ban him from LKML or asking the Linux Foundation to issue a press
> release distancing themselves from RMS, GNU, and the Free
> Software Foundation.
>
> So far, to the best of my knowledge, none of those suggestions have
> been acted upon.
>
> If you do not mind, Mr. Karlsen, please elaborate. Do you agree with
> me that calling Linux as LiGNUx is destructive and is without gains?
> Or do you agree with Richard M. Stallman and think we should call
> Linux as LiGNUx? How do you think about this, Mr. Karlsen?
>
> Happy New Year.
>
> Liam Oskar Lindholm,
> Linux Kernel Hacker
>
> On 12/23/13, Ove Karlsen <mail@ovekarlsen.com> wrote:
>> In school, many national idols, art, and "national romantic" writings
>> are read. These are irrational variants of ancestor worship, that turns
>> ignorant people to brats. A flag nothing else than a totempole. A
>> monarchy nothing else than the development of old fertiliycults. Where
>> Brutus and Bimbo no doubt are central.
>>
>> No doubt even Stallman was bothered by those in his youth. And maybe
>> that is what is bothering many. Why anyone should go to school, to be
>> harassed for many years, I do not understand. I am well into my thirties
>> and realizing how much of a pain school really was, although I was not
>> the one most bothered, and I have seen many processing that, on youtube,
>> and other places.
>>
>> Behaviour on the internet is a problem, and it seems similar, and that
>> is really what reminded me of it.
>>
>> Stallman however made his own idol instead. The "GNU" is a similar
>> thing, a phallic idol of himself, as all idols are. And everyone
>> complains about the pseudoreligious brats in linux-circles.
>>
>> It is ofcourse not real religion, but idolatry, and with made up idols.
>> And that it is idolatry, is a important distinction to make.
>>
>> This is really at the base of facism, and seen for instance, when people
>> censor criticism like this, in favour of some idol. Be that Stallmans
>> Gnu, or gayactivism, 1950s gear worshippers, or people who think
>> 1024x768 is the ultimate resolution. Or many odd things. Which is common
>> online.
>>
>> Hippies also really are idolaters, sunworship, really the same as
>> swastika-worship. This scene from "Tommy" says a lot about what an
>> idolater is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IVwkz-BQGc
>>
>> Everyone is born with a monotheist nature though.
>>
>> On LKML, I have also seen arguments that resemble monotheism. For
>> instance lately, Linus said he didn´t want a corporate mindset. He has
>> also talked about natural developments, and also Gabriel Newell, inspite
>> of clear "psychedelic" art in some of his games, talk about letting
>> naturality take place. Hopefully that means reiterating out that
>> element, as it really is about the same again. And "just for fun", is
>> close to "for the praises of God" is it not.
>>
>> Our nature, is "muslim". Which means "in submission to God".
>> In Daoism, one talks about surrender and alignment.
>> In Buddhism and Daoism, both talk about quietness of the mind.
>> In Islam one talks about peace generally. And defines idolatry as
>> unnatural, polytheism, and association with God, and The Quran states,
>> God created you with the most upright nature.
>>
>> And one superordinate concept, one God, can also be logically defended
>> by Aristotles prime mover, and philosophical principles like The
>> Finetuning Argument. However many do not even know this, and think
>> monotheism is illogical, yet the school of logic, is said to have been
>> established by Aristotle. The same logic ofcourse, really the insight of
>> any true prophet. Programmers often like logic, and should know this.
>>
>> And Atheism do not have that, but often an irrational randomness, that
>> is given power to create, or claimed to be anything but white-noise. A
>> series of random events are white noise, equal probability for any
>> frequency. And Einsten and pseudoreligious scientific pantheism cannot
>> be rationally defended, as with pantheism infinity is irrationally
>> assigned to objects, truth is false, good is bad, god is satan, and many
>> of these defend idolaterous images. Dawkins discussions sometimes seen
>> on youtube, with beasthead idols, outside the building. Similar to the
>> sphinx-idols of Egypt ofcourse. Yet again phallic. And many who makes
>> claims about madness themselves, such as psychiatrists follow Freud
>> whose focus on libido, is just another rephrasing of phallic idolatry,
>> and the facism these uphold is known. Atheism also again irrational
>> idolatry.
>>
>> Removing irrational "randomness" from reality, leaves no coincidences,
>> nothing "just happens", unless God wills. And one gets a necessary
>> creator, that logically must be almighty, and sustainer of the heavens
>> and the earth. One who obviously guides and deludes whomever he wills.
>> And talks about mercy towards the believers.
>>
>> And Darwin makes irrational claims about species. No species that mutate
>> in any such degree, would ofcourse stop to mutate, and all species would
>> have left an enormous amount of mutations that did not make it. And even
>> just two compatible mutations, from another species, is absurd theory.
>> And mutation is not any object of occult power.
>>
>> And ofcourse Stallman claims to have some power of giving freedom to
>> hackers, by his GPL licence, are fradulent.
>>
>> Any of these, whether you view them more or less influental is just
>> doing the same.
>>
>> Free fantasy and conjuring of unreal things. If you are looking for the
>> logical, and really scientific view, that is Artistotle still. And
>> stallman does ofcourse not know what freedom is. And even making an idol
>> of himself. Maybe he was of those who used LSD, it used to be popular,
>> and unfortunately still is too popular. Turning people to stooges.
>>
>> Freedom, and natural behaviour comes with natural religion, that
>> protects human values. (non-sectarian) and godconsciousness. God is
>> almighty and just, Lord of The Heavens And The Earth.
>>
>> And Open-source is now well-understood, a better term, and is good
>> development, and much more graceful, than his slogans.
>>
>> If one is to fix the problem of ill-behaved participants anywhere, the
>> conflicts lies in monotheism vs idolatry (polytheism), as always.
>>
>> This can all be solved. Stallman does not have any occult powers, to
>> allow him only to write licences, and indeed if the licence was kernel
>> code, it would have been patched out, for reasons of obscurity, a long
>> time ago.
>>
>> I actually made a very simple licence for my own DSP-code, which atleast
>> works for me. It takes my understanding of "Open source", and words it
>> as simple as possible.
>>
>> "This program, plugin or function is licenced under
>> The Beneficient Open-Source Licence.
>>
>> That means that its source is released
>> and shall stay available openly,
>> to benefit humankind, in the path of God.
>> And that shall apply to developments,
>> modifications, derivations, and branches.
>>
>> The licence may not be changed, but modifications
>> between program, plugin and function may be done,
>> and used alongside software of other licences.
>>
>> Peace Be With You."
>>
>> That should be well understood in the beneficial arrangements of
>> monotheism.
>>
>> I also wrote it a little bit like this, to hint at library buliding of
>> re-used components.
>>
>> Ultimately it is about information-management, and good communication. I
>> wrote on my blog about decentralized blog/magazine style keyword
>> network, as a maybe usenet inspired modern iteration of many online
>> technologies.
>>
>> --
>> Peace Be With You
>> Ove Karlsen
>> http://www.ovekarlsen.com
>> --
>> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel"
>> in
>> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
>> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
>> Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
>>
> --
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* Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
2014-01-07 20:52 ` Richard Dunn
@ 2014-01-07 20:53 ` Ove Karlsen
2014-01-07 21:13 ` Ove Karlsen
` (4 subsequent siblings)
5 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ove Karlsen @ 2014-01-07 20:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard Dunn, Liam Lindholm; +Cc: LKML
On 1/7/2014 9:52 PM, Richard Dunn wrote:
> In case you missed it, Phoronix covered your original email.
>
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU1MTI
Phoronix is not a serious newsplace.
I did think about the problem some more.
Maybe the whole Microkernel debate is an ego-issue too, really of
control of information.
What would an additional JSR do.
And then I decide to read "operating systems: design and implementation"
and what do I find:
https://www.google.no/search?q=operating+systems+design+and+implementation&rlz=1C1SAVU_enNO552NO555&espv=210&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=mWjMUoawK870yAOD14DoDQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=962#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=3Xxz9iSmxL5PkM%3A%3BwJyiNjvjxISczM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fi.walmartimages.com%252Fi%252Fp%252F09%252F78%252F01%252F31%252F42%252F0978013142938_500X500.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.walmart.com%252Fip%252FOperating-Systems-Design-and-Implementation%252F4323094%3B500%3B500
The book has a picture of a mushroom!
> On 1/7/14, Liam Lindholm <liam.oskar.lindholm@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mr. Karlsen,
>>
>> I find your response to my initial email quite interesting, but do not
>> quite understand it. My mind is very sluggish here in Sweden where it
>> is very, very cold. Sluggish like a cluster of 386s running Linux on a
>> kitchen table in someone's backwoods shack.
>>
>> In case you didn't see it, here is the presentation Mr. Stallman gave
>> about the Free Software Foundation's "Say LiGNUx" campaign:
>> http://imgur.com/a/beY7E
>>
>> Mr. Stallman clearly needs a break from promoting an increasingly
>> irrelevant software platform. In my first email, I suggested that we
>> ban him from LKML or asking the Linux Foundation to issue a press
>> release distancing themselves from RMS, GNU, and the Free
>> Software Foundation.
>>
>> So far, to the best of my knowledge, none of those suggestions have
>> been acted upon.
>>
>> If you do not mind, Mr. Karlsen, please elaborate. Do you agree with
>> me that calling Linux as LiGNUx is destructive and is without gains?
>> Or do you agree with Richard M. Stallman and think we should call
>> Linux as LiGNUx? How do you think about this, Mr. Karlsen?
>>
>> Happy New Year.
>>
>> Liam Oskar Lindholm,
>> Linux Kernel Hacker
>>
>> On 12/23/13, Ove Karlsen <mail@ovekarlsen.com> wrote:
>>> In school, many national idols, art, and "national romantic" writings
>>> are read. These are irrational variants of ancestor worship, that turns
>>> ignorant people to brats. A flag nothing else than a totempole. A
>>> monarchy nothing else than the development of old fertiliycults. Where
>>> Brutus and Bimbo no doubt are central.
>>>
>>> No doubt even Stallman was bothered by those in his youth. And maybe
>>> that is what is bothering many. Why anyone should go to school, to be
>>> harassed for many years, I do not understand. I am well into my thirties
>>> and realizing how much of a pain school really was, although I was not
>>> the one most bothered, and I have seen many processing that, on youtube,
>>> and other places.
>>>
>>> Behaviour on the internet is a problem, and it seems similar, and that
>>> is really what reminded me of it.
>>>
>>> Stallman however made his own idol instead. The "GNU" is a similar
>>> thing, a phallic idol of himself, as all idols are. And everyone
>>> complains about the pseudoreligious brats in linux-circles.
>>>
>>> It is ofcourse not real religion, but idolatry, and with made up idols.
>>> And that it is idolatry, is a important distinction to make.
>>>
>>> This is really at the base of facism, and seen for instance, when people
>>> censor criticism like this, in favour of some idol. Be that Stallmans
>>> Gnu, or gayactivism, 1950s gear worshippers, or people who think
>>> 1024x768 is the ultimate resolution. Or many odd things. Which is common
>>> online.
>>>
>>> Hippies also really are idolaters, sunworship, really the same as
>>> swastika-worship. This scene from "Tommy" says a lot about what an
>>> idolater is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IVwkz-BQGc
>>>
>>> Everyone is born with a monotheist nature though.
>>>
>>> On LKML, I have also seen arguments that resemble monotheism. For
>>> instance lately, Linus said he didn´t want a corporate mindset. He has
>>> also talked about natural developments, and also Gabriel Newell, inspite
>>> of clear "psychedelic" art in some of his games, talk about letting
>>> naturality take place. Hopefully that means reiterating out that
>>> element, as it really is about the same again. And "just for fun", is
>>> close to "for the praises of God" is it not.
>>>
>>> Our nature, is "muslim". Which means "in submission to God".
>>> In Daoism, one talks about surrender and alignment.
>>> In Buddhism and Daoism, both talk about quietness of the mind.
>>> In Islam one talks about peace generally. And defines idolatry as
>>> unnatural, polytheism, and association with God, and The Quran states,
>>> God created you with the most upright nature.
>>>
>>> And one superordinate concept, one God, can also be logically defended
>>> by Aristotles prime mover, and philosophical principles like The
>>> Finetuning Argument. However many do not even know this, and think
>>> monotheism is illogical, yet the school of logic, is said to have been
>>> established by Aristotle. The same logic ofcourse, really the insight of
>>> any true prophet. Programmers often like logic, and should know this.
>>>
>>> And Atheism do not have that, but often an irrational randomness, that
>>> is given power to create, or claimed to be anything but white-noise. A
>>> series of random events are white noise, equal probability for any
>>> frequency. And Einsten and pseudoreligious scientific pantheism cannot
>>> be rationally defended, as with pantheism infinity is irrationally
>>> assigned to objects, truth is false, good is bad, god is satan, and many
>>> of these defend idolaterous images. Dawkins discussions sometimes seen
>>> on youtube, with beasthead idols, outside the building. Similar to the
>>> sphinx-idols of Egypt ofcourse. Yet again phallic. And many who makes
>>> claims about madness themselves, such as psychiatrists follow Freud
>>> whose focus on libido, is just another rephrasing of phallic idolatry,
>>> and the facism these uphold is known. Atheism also again irrational
>>> idolatry.
>>>
>>> Removing irrational "randomness" from reality, leaves no coincidences,
>>> nothing "just happens", unless God wills. And one gets a necessary
>>> creator, that logically must be almighty, and sustainer of the heavens
>>> and the earth. One who obviously guides and deludes whomever he wills.
>>> And talks about mercy towards the believers.
>>>
>>> And Darwin makes irrational claims about species. No species that mutate
>>> in any such degree, would ofcourse stop to mutate, and all species would
>>> have left an enormous amount of mutations that did not make it. And even
>>> just two compatible mutations, from another species, is absurd theory.
>>> And mutation is not any object of occult power.
>>>
>>> And ofcourse Stallman claims to have some power of giving freedom to
>>> hackers, by his GPL licence, are fradulent.
>>>
>>> Any of these, whether you view them more or less influental is just
>>> doing the same.
>>>
>>> Free fantasy and conjuring of unreal things. If you are looking for the
>>> logical, and really scientific view, that is Artistotle still. And
>>> stallman does ofcourse not know what freedom is. And even making an idol
>>> of himself. Maybe he was of those who used LSD, it used to be popular,
>>> and unfortunately still is too popular. Turning people to stooges.
>>>
>>> Freedom, and natural behaviour comes with natural religion, that
>>> protects human values. (non-sectarian) and godconsciousness. God is
>>> almighty and just, Lord of The Heavens And The Earth.
>>>
>>> And Open-source is now well-understood, a better term, and is good
>>> development, and much more graceful, than his slogans.
>>>
>>> If one is to fix the problem of ill-behaved participants anywhere, the
>>> conflicts lies in monotheism vs idolatry (polytheism), as always.
>>>
>>> This can all be solved. Stallman does not have any occult powers, to
>>> allow him only to write licences, and indeed if the licence was kernel
>>> code, it would have been patched out, for reasons of obscurity, a long
>>> time ago.
>>>
>>> I actually made a very simple licence for my own DSP-code, which atleast
>>> works for me. It takes my understanding of "Open source", and words it
>>> as simple as possible.
>>>
>>> "This program, plugin or function is licenced under
>>> The Beneficient Open-Source Licence.
>>>
>>> That means that its source is released
>>> and shall stay available openly,
>>> to benefit humankind, in the path of God.
>>> And that shall apply to developments,
>>> modifications, derivations, and branches.
>>>
>>> The licence may not be changed, but modifications
>>> between program, plugin and function may be done,
>>> and used alongside software of other licences.
>>>
>>> Peace Be With You."
>>>
>>> That should be well understood in the beneficial arrangements of
>>> monotheism.
>>>
>>> I also wrote it a little bit like this, to hint at library buliding of
>>> re-used components.
>>>
>>> Ultimately it is about information-management, and good communication. I
>>> wrote on my blog about decentralized blog/magazine style keyword
>>> network, as a maybe usenet inspired modern iteration of many online
>>> technologies.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peace Be With You
>>> Ove Karlsen
>>> http://www.ovekarlsen.com
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* Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
2014-01-07 20:52 ` Richard Dunn
2014-01-07 20:53 ` Ove Karlsen
@ 2014-01-07 21:13 ` Ove Karlsen
2014-01-07 21:24 ` Ove Karlsen
` (3 subsequent siblings)
5 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ove Karlsen @ 2014-01-07 21:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard Dunn, Liam Lindholm; +Cc: LKML
Just to be clear, no idolatry. At all.
Anyways I am just going to use windows here, and maybe even get an E5
mac. It has logic audio, which I think is perfectly fine.
I am almost nervous to contribute to this, seeing as much obscurity as
it is. People will have to choose a solution good for them. If it makes
sense. Not for some reason of idolatry, or slaving away for nothing.
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* Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
2014-01-07 20:52 ` Richard Dunn
2014-01-07 20:53 ` Ove Karlsen
2014-01-07 21:13 ` Ove Karlsen
@ 2014-01-07 21:24 ` Ove Karlsen
2014-01-07 22:19 ` Ove Karlsen
` (2 subsequent siblings)
5 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ove Karlsen @ 2014-01-07 21:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard Dunn, Liam Lindholm; +Cc: LKML
And.. actually in commercial constructs one is also abused, but atleast
one gets money. In open-source, or particulary Stallman idolaters, one
is only abused.
No limiter-awards, where technical excellence is recognized, because
"the algorithm does this and that, and this is optimal". None of that.
Just - NOT GPL? WE ARE GONNA ABUSE YOU DOOD.
This is as I am trying to explain common for idolatry, and not GPL ofcourse.
Open-source seemed very interesting at one point. Atleast small plugins
like mine, are nice to have as open-source. But already only after a few
years, and gone through stages, and understood so many things many
people are talking about, and the complains about linux-circle behaviour.
It has ofcourse nothing to do with being free. ;)
Hey, I don´t care. If God does not want, that is fine. I can drop it.
Peace Be With You!
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* Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
2014-01-07 20:52 ` Richard Dunn
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2014-01-07 21:24 ` Ove Karlsen
@ 2014-01-07 22:19 ` Ove Karlsen
2014-01-10 14:22 ` To people sending me replies Ove Karlsen
2014-01-10 15:19 ` Linus - Firebreathing dragon idol of Linux: The Lost Computer Idealism Ove Karlsen
5 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ove Karlsen @ 2014-01-07 22:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard Dunn, Liam Lindholm; +Cc: LKML
I am realizing that Linux-brats are vere very much like abusive mushroom
users aren´t they. I did ressearch on this, and that is where I have
seen that behaviour before. Obviously only having them in the
environment is influental, as I doubt they all do mushrooms.
This will be included on my
http://ovekarlsen.com/Blog/psychiatry-refuted/ refuted post. That is the
root of the problem.
Peace Be With You.
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* IO
2013-12-23 20:12 Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour Ove Karlsen
2014-01-07 19:44 ` Liam Lindholm
@ 2014-01-09 16:43 ` Ove Karlsen
2014-01-09 20:21 ` Andrew Tanenbaum Ove Karlsen
2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ove Karlsen @ 2014-01-09 16:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: LKML
I feel better thinking of a commercial OS. A completely general
low-jitter OS, that considers enthusiast concerns, no tweak-apps should
be necessary. That ofcourse respects monotheist values, and maybe what
comes pre-installed is also considered for minimal abuse?
IO by Beneficial Software. CEO: Ove Karlsen. :)
Now to get funding... do you have a
tenner?
If Linus is not such a Unix fanboy, and had some sense, that is what he
should do. I think he is the one a lot of people listen to in Linux
circles, and he could probably pull something like that off.
Peace Be With You.
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* Andrew Tanenbaum
2013-12-23 20:12 Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour Ove Karlsen
2014-01-07 19:44 ` Liam Lindholm
2014-01-09 16:43 ` IO Ove Karlsen
@ 2014-01-09 20:21 ` Ove Karlsen
2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ove Karlsen @ 2014-01-09 20:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: LKML
PS: Andrew Tanenbaums book-covers seem to contain symbolism related to
linux-people. It truly makes me understand how mad LSD can be, or mushrooms.
Again, standard consciousness is above such things. It is called
"subliminal art" is the west, and known as "the whispers of Satan" in
the east.
Peace Be With You.
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* To people sending me replies.
2014-01-07 20:52 ` Richard Dunn
` (3 preceding siblings ...)
2014-01-07 22:19 ` Ove Karlsen
@ 2014-01-10 14:22 ` Ove Karlsen
2014-01-10 15:19 ` Linus - Firebreathing dragon idol of Linux: The Lost Computer Idealism Ove Karlsen
5 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ove Karlsen @ 2014-01-10 14:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: LKML
There is absolutely no need to send me replies, disagreeing. It is
completely irrelevant.
See no evil hear no evil, is what some of these repliers seem to follow.
Completely pathetic and a good example of what kind of fantasyworld the
linux-environment is. A fantasyworld where such response are deemed
relevant, rather than acceptance of completely CLEAR facts and highly
questionable morality. As backward as the whole movement, and the level
of intelligence in this is feeble. My experienced in this field, can
only for any sensible person mean, to leave all involvement with Linux.
I updated my post:
http://ovekarlsen.com/Blog/turning-ubuntu-12-04-into-a-low-jitter-os/
The abuse and lack of rationality, can only be blamed for this. And
these posess no higher intelligence, as is only a myth about
linux-circles, and indeed many people here are instead blocking
intelligent development. As any facist construct.
"A few years after I first did this low-jitter config, John Carmack said
Doom 3 was still taxing on current systems, and struggled to keep up 60
fps.. Doom 3, which is a jitter-sensitive game, since it does 3 passes
pr. frame with openGL , will also play perfectly, and with accurate
timing, on the same machine with a Nvidia GTX 280 at 72fps (72fps x 3 =
216fps)."
What are you waiting for? Are you waiting for the fairie-hand of Linus
to approve, lest abuse? Lest keep up appearances that this has not
happened, you needed someone to tighten things up, and maybe your fanboy
is not as good as the myth would say? Most replies do not even consider
the facts here. The pure and technical true and valid facts. Which
supposedly the list is all about. Instead censor, and abuse, and
completely irrational posting from far away in LSD-cult fantasyland.
"Linux lacks a professional environment though, something one notices
quite fast. There is a lot of smaller apps on it, and more or less
obscure software, but it does not seem to have any mainstream adoption,
or things one has come to expect from mainstream OSs. In the audio
environment, I felt much like it was stuck in a time of soundblasters,
but the ideologically driven linux-environment seems blind to this. But
it was fun playing “Doom 3″, and Linux-based steam consoles are now
being made.
And this belongs in this article: I do not agree with the ideology in
Linux-circles, and would really prefer a commercial OS, that is general,
and low-jitter. Unix is ofcourse really outdated, and purely from a
technical point of view, I do not at all disagree with microkernels
though, it depends on how one implements them. Or hybrid, but reducing
the amount of work on the engineer, and patchmanagement, and
implementing the most efficient version of that, seems sensible to me.
And keep in mind that even a 1mhz C64 could do low-jitter low latency
audio/video. And TRON-OS people talked about 200uS latency in the same
decade. Systems that fail to do this, is simply due to paradigm. And I
ofcourse disagree with Stallman-idolatry, slaving away for some
LSD-fantasy ideology, lustcultivation and abusive idolaters, semantic
games or similar social retardation anywhere. And is neither a windows
fanboy, or mac, or unix/linux, but see these systems from a general
viewpoint, and that they move data around.
Peace Be With You.
Note: A good example of poor patch management is Phoronix testing, and
Linus acting, to remove many patches. Phoronix does not understand what
jitter is, and so in his tests, that is not even considered. This is
simply random behaviour. 1000hz in the kernel is completely against low
jitter aswell, and there is a 10ms filter in fair.c that seems quite
random aswell. When I asked some known people in linux-circles about
low-jitter, they did not know what would give the least, and would make
wrong assumptions here. Again random. Nobody in the audio-environment
understood the level of my audio-dsp either. Coupling this to abusive
behaviour, and even censorship of criticism of Stallman, makes a very
odd mythologically and ideologically driven slavery, with what is
probably a LSD-hippie in Stallman, as founder of ideology, and with
unix-kernel teachings root in Tanenbaum, another hallucinogen-user.
(Mushroom picture on Operating Systems: Design and Implementation). With
Linux mainstream use on gaming-boxes, Valve another faction of
hallucinogen-use, has hallucinogenic art is in many of their games.
“Half-Life” really meaning this regressed animal-state, of animal-idols
and animal-behaviour. The facists in these games, really idols, such as
the suitcase man, etc. Shuttleworth is also known for his lusttalk, in
conflict with any decent intelligent man, has said that he wanted
“ultrasmooth graphics”, but I did not get any response when sending this
kernel, and info to him, that realizes this. Ubuntu still comes with a
high-jitter kernel. Instead he later initiated “Mir”, which again seems
like more of the same randomness. With many contributors to Ubuntu
ofcourse, doing this purely for ideological reasons, and get nothing,
other than the abusive random environment."
That is my final word in that. Linux - just another ideologically driven
myth, as many. If engineers here had some sense, they would make a
completely general low-jitter commercial OS instead, with considerations
to minimal-abuse for the pre-installed components.
After all Linux is only in 2013, where for instance, TRON OS was in the
80s. Ideological bizarre idiocy, with central people using
hallucinogens. Obviously in fantasyland. One could aswell skip back to
TRON OS, and continue there, and it would be just as much "progress".
Peace Be With You.
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2014-01-07 20:52 ` Richard Dunn
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2014-01-10 14:22 ` To people sending me replies Ove Karlsen
@ 2014-01-10 15:19 ` Ove Karlsen
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From: Ove Karlsen @ 2014-01-10 15:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: LKML
http://ovekarlsen.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads/oss7.jpg
This is also a symbolic LSD image. Obviously "Unix" is still stuck in
the 70s for many, and not much has happened since.
But this is how they view Linux. And it carries symbolism of Linus.
While all LSD-symbolism is demonic, this is actually quite right.
Ofcourse a tone of abuse, owns the linux-environment, when The Leader,
is abusive.
With the GNU thought police, and the "everything for the commune", it is
ofcourse like many facist constructs in the world, under their idol. And
idolatry is of Satan.
Ironically many here have then become or support what abused them in
their schoolyears, and what abuses intelligent people everywhere.
PBWY.
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