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From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: Hajime Tazaki <thehajime@gmail.com>,
	linux-um@lists.infradead.org, jdike@addtoit.com, richard@nod.at,
	anton.ivanov@cambridgegreys.com
Cc: tavi.purdila@gmail.com, linux-kernel-library@freelists.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, retrage01@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC v7 16/21] um: nommu: plug in the build system
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2020 21:20:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52dec5e578550efa0b8abbbabcf45d7ef7845c52.camel@sipsolutions.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <714783a8d1d6aace7d0e315fc12ffc60b5867ada.1601960644.git.thehajime@gmail.com>

On Tue, 2020-10-06 at 18:44 +0900, Hajime Tazaki wrote:
> Basic Makefiles for building library of nommu mode. Add a new architecture
> specific target for installing the resulting library files and headers.
> 
> To make nommu binaries build, UML introduced an additional option, UMMODE
> variable, to switch the output file of build: kernel (default), or
> library (nommu).  Those modes are not able to be ON at the same time.

Here you did that again :)

I think you should really be up-front about it and call it "kernel" and
"library" mode. Then do the ifdefs on library mode etc.

Sure, kernel mode will be CONFIG_MMU=y and library mode will be
!CONFIG_MMU instead, but it really makes more sense to call things
CONFIG_UMMODE_LIB in most cases, I think?

Yes, a lot of stuff *does* depend on CONFIG_MMU, and that still makes
sense. It just feels like a lot of stuff you made depend on CONFIG_MMU
here (or !CONFIG_MMU) really isn't related too much to that, rather than
being related to "library mode".

>   make defconfig ARCH=um UMMODE=library
>   make ARCH=um UMMODE=library

Why not make it a real Kconfig symbol? I find the ARCH=um tricky enough
to remember all the time, so much I usually write a "GNUmakefile" with

export ARCH=um
include Makefile

:-)

> +config UMMODE_LIB
> +	bool "UML mode: library mode"
> +	default y if "$(UMMODE)" = "library"

So wait, you _can_ switch that through Kconfig then, because you made it
a visible option (string after "bool"). But it won't work, because then
you later in the build system etc. still check UMMODE instead of
CONFIG_UMMODE_LIB. Seems like something that ought to be fixed one way
or the other - at the very least hide this symbol if setting it manually
is invalid.

> +	help
> +	 This mode switches a mode to build a library of UML (Linux
> +	 Kernel Library/LKL).  This switch is exclusive to "kernel mode"
> +	 of UML, which is traditional mode of UML.

Not sure if that historically made more sense, but you don't have any
UMMODE_KERNEL option or something like that, so the help text seems
confusing?


> +	 For more detail about LKL, see
> +	 <file:Documentation/virt/uml/lkl.txt>.
> +
>  config MMU
>  	bool
> -	default y
> +	default y if !UMMODE_LIB
>  
>  config NO_IOMEM
>  	def_bool y
> @@ -45,12 +56,12 @@ config LOCKDEP_SUPPORT
>  
>  config STACKTRACE_SUPPORT
>  	bool
> -	default y
> +	default y if MMU

Same as what I said above - there really shouldn't be any inherent
reason why STACKTRACE_SUPPORT depends on CONFIG_MMU, is there? Apart
from not having implemented it in UMMODE_LIB, that is, and then you
should make this if !UMMODE_LIB?

>  config GENERIC_CALIBRATE_DELAY
>  	bool
> -	default y
> +	default y if MMU

Same here. This one _surely_ has no relation to MMU.

> +ifeq ($(UMMODE),library)
> +  SUBARCH := um/nommu
> +endif

>  INSTALL_PATH=$(objtree)/tools/um
> +ifeq ($(UMMODE),library)

Here a few places using UMMODE which must come from the command line.

>  linux.o: vmlinux
>  	@echo '  LINK	$@'
> -	$(Q)$(OBJCOPY) -R .eh_frame $< $@
> +	$(Q)$(OBJCOPY) -R .eh_frame -L sem_init -L sem_post -L sem_wait -L sem_destroy $< $@

Care to explain?

>  	$(Q)mkdir -p $(objtree)/tools/um/lib
>  
>  define archhelp
> diff --git a/arch/um/kernel/Makefile b/arch/um/kernel/Makefile
> index 9b63831a69e1..01605ed439cb 100644
> --- a/arch/um/kernel/Makefile
> +++ b/arch/um/kernel/Makefile
> @@ -14,17 +14,21 @@ CPPFLAGS_vmlinux.lds := -DSTART=$(LDS_START)		\
>  			$(LDS_EXTRA)
>  extra-y := vmlinux.lds
>  
> -obj-y = config.o exec.o exitcode.o irq.o ksyms.o mem.o \
> -	physmem.o process.o ptrace.o reboot.o sigio.o \
> -	signal.o syscall.o sysrq.o time.o tlb.o trap.o \
> -	um_arch.o umid.o maccess.o kmsg_dump.o skas/
> +obj-y = config.o exitcode.o irq.o ksyms.o \
> +	process.o reboot.o sigio.o \
> +	signal.o syscall.o time.o \
> +	um_arch.o umid.o maccess.o kmsg_dump.o
> +
> +ifdef CONFIG_MMU
> +obj-y += exec.o mem.o physmem.o ptrace.o sysrq.o tlb.o trap.o skas/
> +endif
>  
>  obj-$(CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD) += initrd.o
>  obj-$(CONFIG_GPROF)	+= gprof_syms.o
>  obj-$(CONFIG_GCOV)	+= gmon_syms.o
>  obj-$(CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK) += early_printk.o
>  obj-$(CONFIG_STACKTRACE) += stacktrace.o
> -obj-y += user_syms.o
> +obj-$(CONFIG_MMU) += user_syms.o
>  
>  USER_OBJS := config.o
>  
> diff --git a/arch/um/nommu/um/Kconfig b/arch/um/nommu/um/Kconfig
> new file mode 100644
> index 000000000000..20b3eaccb6f0
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/arch/um/nommu/um/Kconfig
> @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@
> +config UML_NOMMU
> +	def_bool y
> +	depends on !SMP && !MMU

again, using MMU to mean "LKL" (both UML_NOMMU and !MMU places)

> +	select UACCESS_MEMCPY
> +	select ARCH_THREAD_STACK_ALLOCATOR
> +	select ARCH_HAS_SYSCALL_WRAPPER

You never use this except for the selects, maybe can go elsewhere?

> +config 64BIT
> +	bool
> +	default y
> +
> +config GENERIC_CSUM
> +	def_bool y
> +
> +config GENERIC_ATOMIC64
> +	bool
> +	default y if !64BIT
> +
> +config SECCOMP
> +	bool
> +	default n
> +
> +config GENERIC_HWEIGHT
> +	def_bool y
> +
> +config GENERIC_CALIBRATE_DELAY
> +	bool
> +	default n
> +
> +config STACKTRACE_SUPPORT
> +	bool
> +	default n

You ... were just changing these elsewhere, so one of that isn't needed?

> +# XXX: need this to work well with tap13.py

What's tap13.py??

johannes


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: Hajime Tazaki <thehajime@gmail.com>,
	linux-um@lists.infradead.org, jdike@addtoit.com, richard@nod.at,
	anton.ivanov@cambridgegreys.com
Cc: tavi.purdila@gmail.com, linux-kernel-library@freelists.org,
	retrage01@gmail.com, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC v7 16/21] um: nommu: plug in the build system
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2020 21:20:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52dec5e578550efa0b8abbbabcf45d7ef7845c52.camel@sipsolutions.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <714783a8d1d6aace7d0e315fc12ffc60b5867ada.1601960644.git.thehajime@gmail.com>

On Tue, 2020-10-06 at 18:44 +0900, Hajime Tazaki wrote:
> Basic Makefiles for building library of nommu mode. Add a new architecture
> specific target for installing the resulting library files and headers.
> 
> To make nommu binaries build, UML introduced an additional option, UMMODE
> variable, to switch the output file of build: kernel (default), or
> library (nommu).  Those modes are not able to be ON at the same time.

Here you did that again :)

I think you should really be up-front about it and call it "kernel" and
"library" mode. Then do the ifdefs on library mode etc.

Sure, kernel mode will be CONFIG_MMU=y and library mode will be
!CONFIG_MMU instead, but it really makes more sense to call things
CONFIG_UMMODE_LIB in most cases, I think?

Yes, a lot of stuff *does* depend on CONFIG_MMU, and that still makes
sense. It just feels like a lot of stuff you made depend on CONFIG_MMU
here (or !CONFIG_MMU) really isn't related too much to that, rather than
being related to "library mode".

>   make defconfig ARCH=um UMMODE=library
>   make ARCH=um UMMODE=library

Why not make it a real Kconfig symbol? I find the ARCH=um tricky enough
to remember all the time, so much I usually write a "GNUmakefile" with

export ARCH=um
include Makefile

:-)

> +config UMMODE_LIB
> +	bool "UML mode: library mode"
> +	default y if "$(UMMODE)" = "library"

So wait, you _can_ switch that through Kconfig then, because you made it
a visible option (string after "bool"). But it won't work, because then
you later in the build system etc. still check UMMODE instead of
CONFIG_UMMODE_LIB. Seems like something that ought to be fixed one way
or the other - at the very least hide this symbol if setting it manually
is invalid.

> +	help
> +	 This mode switches a mode to build a library of UML (Linux
> +	 Kernel Library/LKL).  This switch is exclusive to "kernel mode"
> +	 of UML, which is traditional mode of UML.

Not sure if that historically made more sense, but you don't have any
UMMODE_KERNEL option or something like that, so the help text seems
confusing?


> +	 For more detail about LKL, see
> +	 <file:Documentation/virt/uml/lkl.txt>.
> +
>  config MMU
>  	bool
> -	default y
> +	default y if !UMMODE_LIB
>  
>  config NO_IOMEM
>  	def_bool y
> @@ -45,12 +56,12 @@ config LOCKDEP_SUPPORT
>  
>  config STACKTRACE_SUPPORT
>  	bool
> -	default y
> +	default y if MMU

Same as what I said above - there really shouldn't be any inherent
reason why STACKTRACE_SUPPORT depends on CONFIG_MMU, is there? Apart
from not having implemented it in UMMODE_LIB, that is, and then you
should make this if !UMMODE_LIB?

>  config GENERIC_CALIBRATE_DELAY
>  	bool
> -	default y
> +	default y if MMU

Same here. This one _surely_ has no relation to MMU.

> +ifeq ($(UMMODE),library)
> +  SUBARCH := um/nommu
> +endif

>  INSTALL_PATH=$(objtree)/tools/um
> +ifeq ($(UMMODE),library)

Here a few places using UMMODE which must come from the command line.

>  linux.o: vmlinux
>  	@echo '  LINK	$@'
> -	$(Q)$(OBJCOPY) -R .eh_frame $< $@
> +	$(Q)$(OBJCOPY) -R .eh_frame -L sem_init -L sem_post -L sem_wait -L sem_destroy $< $@

Care to explain?

>  	$(Q)mkdir -p $(objtree)/tools/um/lib
>  
>  define archhelp
> diff --git a/arch/um/kernel/Makefile b/arch/um/kernel/Makefile
> index 9b63831a69e1..01605ed439cb 100644
> --- a/arch/um/kernel/Makefile
> +++ b/arch/um/kernel/Makefile
> @@ -14,17 +14,21 @@ CPPFLAGS_vmlinux.lds := -DSTART=$(LDS_START)		\
>  			$(LDS_EXTRA)
>  extra-y := vmlinux.lds
>  
> -obj-y = config.o exec.o exitcode.o irq.o ksyms.o mem.o \
> -	physmem.o process.o ptrace.o reboot.o sigio.o \
> -	signal.o syscall.o sysrq.o time.o tlb.o trap.o \
> -	um_arch.o umid.o maccess.o kmsg_dump.o skas/
> +obj-y = config.o exitcode.o irq.o ksyms.o \
> +	process.o reboot.o sigio.o \
> +	signal.o syscall.o time.o \
> +	um_arch.o umid.o maccess.o kmsg_dump.o
> +
> +ifdef CONFIG_MMU
> +obj-y += exec.o mem.o physmem.o ptrace.o sysrq.o tlb.o trap.o skas/
> +endif
>  
>  obj-$(CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD) += initrd.o
>  obj-$(CONFIG_GPROF)	+= gprof_syms.o
>  obj-$(CONFIG_GCOV)	+= gmon_syms.o
>  obj-$(CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK) += early_printk.o
>  obj-$(CONFIG_STACKTRACE) += stacktrace.o
> -obj-y += user_syms.o
> +obj-$(CONFIG_MMU) += user_syms.o
>  
>  USER_OBJS := config.o
>  
> diff --git a/arch/um/nommu/um/Kconfig b/arch/um/nommu/um/Kconfig
> new file mode 100644
> index 000000000000..20b3eaccb6f0
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/arch/um/nommu/um/Kconfig
> @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@
> +config UML_NOMMU
> +	def_bool y
> +	depends on !SMP && !MMU

again, using MMU to mean "LKL" (both UML_NOMMU and !MMU places)

> +	select UACCESS_MEMCPY
> +	select ARCH_THREAD_STACK_ALLOCATOR
> +	select ARCH_HAS_SYSCALL_WRAPPER

You never use this except for the selects, maybe can go elsewhere?

> +config 64BIT
> +	bool
> +	default y
> +
> +config GENERIC_CSUM
> +	def_bool y
> +
> +config GENERIC_ATOMIC64
> +	bool
> +	default y if !64BIT
> +
> +config SECCOMP
> +	bool
> +	default n
> +
> +config GENERIC_HWEIGHT
> +	def_bool y
> +
> +config GENERIC_CALIBRATE_DELAY
> +	bool
> +	default n
> +
> +config STACKTRACE_SUPPORT
> +	bool
> +	default n

You ... were just changing these elsewhere, so one of that isn't needed?

> +# XXX: need this to work well with tap13.py

What's tap13.py??

johannes


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Thread overview: 476+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-05  7:30 [RFC v3 00/26] Unifying LKL into UML Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 01/26] asm-generic: atomic64: allow using generic atomic64 on 64bit platforms Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  9:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-05 12:24     ` Octavian Purdila
2020-02-05 12:24       ` Octavian Purdila
2020-02-05 12:29       ` Anton Ivanov
2020-02-05 12:29         ` Anton Ivanov
2020-02-05 12:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-05 12:49         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-05 14:00         ` Octavian Purdila
2020-02-05 14:00           ` Octavian Purdila
2020-02-05 17:13           ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-05 17:13             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-07 12:32             ` Octavian Purdila
2020-02-07 12:32               ` Octavian Purdila
     [not found] ` <cover.1580882335.git.thehajime-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2020-02-05  7:30   ` [RFC v3 02/26] arch: add __SYSCALL_DEFINE_ARCH Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 03/26] um lkl: architecture skeleton for Linux kernel library Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 04/26] um lkl: host interface Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 05/26] um lkl: memory handling Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 06/26] um lkl: kernel threads support Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 07/26] um lkl: interrupt support Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05 10:47   ` Anton Ivanov
2020-02-05 10:47     ` Anton Ivanov
2020-02-05 14:46     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05 14:46       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 08/26] um lkl: system call interface and application API Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 09/26] um lkl: timers, time and delay support Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 10/26] um lkl: basic kernel console support Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 11/26] um lkl: initialization and cleanup Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 12/26] um lkl: plug in the build system Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 13/26] lkl tools: skeleton for host side library Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 14/26] lkl tools: host lib: add utilities functions Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 15/26] lkl tools: host lib: filesystem helpers Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 16/26] lkl tools: host lib: networking helpers Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 17/26] lkl tools: host lib: posix host operations Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 18/26] lkl tools: add test programs Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 19/26] lkl tools: cptofs that reads/writes to/from a filesystem image Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 20/26] lkl tools: fs2tar that converts a filesystem image to tar Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 21/26] lkl tools: add lklfuse Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 22/26] um lkl: add documentation Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 23/26] um lkl: add CI scripts to conduct regression tests Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 24/26] um lkl: add UML network driver for lkl Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 25/26] um lkl: add UML block device driver (ubd) " Hajime Tazaki
2020-02-05  7:30 ` [RFC v3 26/26] um: fix clone flags to be familar with valgrind Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45 ` [RFC v4 00/25] Unifying LKL into UML Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 01/25] arch: add __SYSCALL_DEFINE_ARCH Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 02/25] um lkl: architecture skeleton for Linux kernel library Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 21:53     ` Johannes Berg
2020-03-30 21:53       ` Johannes Berg
2020-03-30 22:12       ` Richard Weinberger
2020-03-30 22:12         ` Richard Weinberger
2020-03-31  7:08         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-31  7:08           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-31 20:16           ` Johannes Berg
2020-03-31 20:16             ` Johannes Berg
2020-04-02  6:44             ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-04-02  6:44               ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-04-07 19:25               ` Octavian Purdila
2020-04-07 19:25                 ` Octavian Purdila
2020-04-07 19:25                 ` Octavian Purdila
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 03/25] um lkl: host interface Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 04/25] um lkl: memory handling Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 05/25] um lkl: kernel threads support Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 06/25] um lkl: interrupt support Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 07/25] um lkl: system call interface and application API Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 08/25] um lkl: timers, time and delay support Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 09/25] um lkl: basic kernel console support Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 10/25] um lkl: initialization and cleanup Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 11/25] um lkl: plug in the build system Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 12/25] lkl tools: skeleton for host side library Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 13/25] lkl tools: host lib: add utilities functions Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 14/25] lkl tools: host lib: filesystem helpers Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 15/25] lkl tools: host lib: networking helpers Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 16/25] lkl tools: host lib: posix host operations Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 17/25] lkl tools: add test programs Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 18/25] lkl tools: cptofs that reads/writes to/from a filesystem image Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 19/25] lkl tools: fs2tar that converts a filesystem image to tar Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 20/25] lkl tools: add lklfuse Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 21/25] um lkl: add documentation Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 22/25] um lkl: add CI scripts to conduct regression tests Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 23/25] um lkl: add UML network driver for lkl Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 21:31     ` Johannes Berg
2020-03-30 21:31       ` Johannes Berg
2020-03-31  2:38       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-31  2:38         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-31 19:52         ` Johannes Berg
2020-03-31 19:52           ` Johannes Berg
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 24/25] um lkl: add UML block device driver (ubd) " Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45   ` [RFC v4 25/25] um: fix clone flags to be familiar with valgrind Hajime Tazaki
2020-03-30 14:45     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:06   ` [RFC v5 00/21] Unifying LKL into UML Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:06     ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:06     ` [RFC v5 01/21] um: split build in kernel and host parts Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:06       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-21 16:01       ` Anton Ivanov
2020-09-21 16:01         ` Anton Ivanov
2020-09-21 22:27         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-21 22:27           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:06     ` [RFC v5 02/21] um: add os init and exit calls Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:06       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:06     ` [RFC v5 03/21] um: move arch/um/os-Linux dir to tools/um/uml Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:06       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:06     ` [RFC v5 04/21] um: host: implement os_initcalls and os_exitcalls Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:06       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:06     ` [RFC v5 05/21] um: move arch/x86/um/os-Linux to tools/um/uml/ Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:06       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07     ` [RFC v5 06/21] scritps: um: suppress warnings if SRCARCH=um Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07     ` [RFC v5 07/21] um: extend arch_switch_to for alternate SUBARCH Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07     ` [RFC v5 08/21] um: add nommu mode for UML library mode Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07     ` [RFC v5 09/21] um: nommu: host interface Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07     ` [RFC v5 10/21] um: nommu: memory handling Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07     ` [RFC v5 11/21] um: nommu: kernel thread support Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07     ` [RFC v5 12/21] um: nommu: system call interface and application API Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07     ` [RFC v5 13/21] um: nommu: basic console support Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07     ` [RFC v5 14/21] um: nommu: initialization and cleanup Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07     ` [RFC v5 15/21] um: nommu: integrate with irq infrastructure of UML Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07     ` [RFC v5 16/21] um: nommu: plug in the build system Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07     ` [RFC v5 17/21] um: host: add nommu build for ARCH=um Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07     ` [RFC v5 18/21] um: host: add utilities functions Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07     ` [RFC v5 19/21] um: host: posix host operations Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07     ` [RFC v5 20/21] um: host: add test programs Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07     ` [RFC v5 21/21] um: nommu: add block device support of UML Hajime Tazaki
2020-07-02 14:07       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12     ` [RFC v6 00/21] Unifying LKL into UML Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` [RFC v6 01/21] um: split build in kernel and host parts Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:33         ` Anton Ivanov
2020-09-24  7:33           ` Anton Ivanov
2020-09-24  8:26           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  8:26             ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  8:37             ` Anton Ivanov
2020-09-24  8:37               ` Anton Ivanov
2020-09-24  7:36         ` Anton Ivanov
2020-09-24  7:36           ` Anton Ivanov
2020-09-24  8:13           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  8:13             ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` [RFC v6 02/21] um: add os init and exit calls Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` [RFC v6 03/21] um: move arch/um/os-Linux dir to tools/um/uml Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` [RFC v6 04/21] um: host: implement os_initcalls and os_exitcalls Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` [RFC v6 05/21] um: move arch/x86/um/os-Linux to tools/um/uml/ Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` [RFC v6 06/21] scritps: um: suppress warnings if SRCARCH=um Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` [RFC v6 07/21] um: extend arch_switch_to for alternate SUBARCH Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` [RFC v6 08/21] um: add nommu mode for UML library mode Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` [RFC v6 09/21] um: nommu: host interface Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` [RFC v6 10/21] um: nommu: memory handling Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` [RFC v6 11/21] um: nommu: kernel thread support Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` [RFC v6 12/21] um: nommu: system call interface and application API Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` [RFC v6 13/21] um: nommu: basic console support Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` [RFC v6 14/21] um: nommu: initialization and cleanup Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` [RFC v6 15/21] um: nommu: integrate with irq infrastructure of UML Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` [RFC v6 16/21] um: nommu: plug in the build system Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` [RFC v6 17/21] um: host: add nommu build for ARCH=um Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` [RFC v6 18/21] um: host: add utilities functions Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12       ` [RFC v6 19/21] um: host: posix host operations Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:12         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:13       ` [RFC v6 20/21] um: host: add test programs Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:13         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:13       ` [RFC v6 21/21] um: nommu: add block device support of UML Hajime Tazaki
2020-09-24  7:13         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44       ` [RFC v7 00/21] Unifying LKL into UML Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44         ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 01/21] um: split build in kernel and host parts Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 02/21] um: add os init and exit calls Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-07 15:13           ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-07 15:13             ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-08 13:18             ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 03/21] um: move arch/um/os-Linux dir to tools/um/uml Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-07 15:20           ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-07 15:20             ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-08 17:48             ` Octavian Purdila
2020-10-08 17:48               ` Octavian Purdila
2020-10-08 19:46               ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-08 19:46                 ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-08 20:53                 ` Octavian Purdila
2020-10-08 20:53                   ` Octavian Purdila
2020-10-09 15:59                   ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-09 15:59                     ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 04/21] um: host: implement os_initcalls and os_exitcalls Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-07 15:22           ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-07 15:22             ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-08 13:16             ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 05/21] um: move arch/x86/um/os-Linux to tools/um/uml/ Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-07 15:23           ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-07 15:23             ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 06/21] scritps: um: suppress warnings if SRCARCH=um Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-07 15:24           ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-07 15:24             ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-09  1:13             ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-09 16:00               ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-09 16:00                 ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 07/21] um: extend arch_switch_to for alternate SUBARCH Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-07 15:25           ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-07 15:25             ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-09  1:24             ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-09 16:02               ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-09 16:02                 ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 08/21] um: add nommu mode for UML library mode Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-07 15:44           ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-07 15:44             ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-09  3:38             ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-09 16:06               ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-09 16:06                 ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-20  8:44                 ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 09/21] um: nommu: host interface Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-07 15:45           ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-07 15:45             ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-08 18:10             ` Octavian Purdila
2020-10-08 18:10               ` Octavian Purdila
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 10/21] um: nommu: memory handling Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-07 15:47           ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-07 15:47             ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-08 18:07             ` Octavian Purdila
2020-10-08 18:07               ` Octavian Purdila
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 11/21] um: nommu: kernel thread support Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-07 18:57           ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-07 18:57             ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-08 18:54             ` Octavian Purdila
2020-10-08 18:54               ` Octavian Purdila
2020-10-08 19:39               ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-08 19:39                 ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-08 20:25                 ` Octavian Purdila
2020-10-08 20:25                   ` Octavian Purdila
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 12/21] um: nommu: system call interface and application API Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-07 19:05           ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-07 19:05             ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-08 19:03             ` Octavian Purdila
2020-10-08 19:03               ` Octavian Purdila
2020-10-08 19:40               ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-08 19:40                 ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 13/21] um: nommu: basic console support Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 14/21] um: nommu: initialization and cleanup Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 15/21] um: nommu: integrate with irq infrastructure of UML Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-07 19:09           ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-07 19:09             ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 16/21] um: nommu: plug in the build system Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-07 19:20           ` Johannes Berg [this message]
2020-10-07 19:20             ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-09  7:40             ` Hajime TAZAKI
2020-10-09  7:40               ` Hajime TAZAKI
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 17/21] um: host: add nommu build for ARCH=um Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 18/21] um: host: add utilities functions Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-07 14:53           ` Anton Ivanov
2020-10-07 14:53             ` Anton Ivanov
2020-10-07 15:02             ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-07 15:02               ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-07 15:03               ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-07 15:03                 ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-07 15:10                 ` Anton Ivanov
2020-10-07 15:10                   ` Anton Ivanov
2020-10-08 12:52                   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-08 19:19                     ` Octavian Purdila
2020-10-08 19:19                       ` Octavian Purdila
2020-10-08 12:53                   ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 19/21] um: host: posix host operations Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 20/21] um: host: add test programs Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-07 19:23           ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-07 19:23             ` Johannes Berg
2020-10-09  6:24             ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44         ` [RFC v7 21/21] um: nommu: add block device support of UML Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-06  9:44           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-07 14:17           ` Anton Ivanov
2020-10-07 14:17             ` Anton Ivanov
2020-10-08 12:13             ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-07 13:30         ` [RFC v7 00/21] Unifying LKL into UML Anton Ivanov
2020-10-07 13:30           ` Anton Ivanov
2020-10-08 12:12           ` Hajime Tazaki
2020-10-08 12:50             ` Anton Ivanov
2020-10-08 12:50               ` Anton Ivanov
2020-10-08 17:13               ` Octavian Purdila
2020-10-08 17:13                 ` Octavian Purdila
2020-10-08 17:18                 ` Anton Ivanov
2020-10-08 17:18                   ` Anton Ivanov
2020-10-08 17:24                   ` Octavian Purdila
2020-10-08 17:24                     ` Octavian Purdila
2021-01-20  2:27         ` [RFC v8 00/20] " Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27           ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 01/20] um: split build in kernel and host parts Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 02/20] um: move arch/um/os-Linux dir to tools/um/uml Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 03/20] um: move arch/x86/um/os-Linux to tools/um/uml/ Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 04/20] um: implement os_initcalls and os_exitcalls Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 05/20] um: extend arch_switch_to for alternate SUBARCH Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 06/20] um: add UML library mode Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-14 16:49             ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-14 16:49               ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-16  1:17               ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-16  1:17                 ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 07/20] um: lkl: host interface Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-14 16:50             ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-14 16:50               ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-16  1:17               ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-16  1:17                 ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 08/20] um: lkl: memory handling Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-14 16:53             ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-14 16:53               ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-16  1:18               ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-16  1:18                 ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-16 21:31                 ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-16 21:31                   ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-18  0:12                   ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-18  0:12                     ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-18  8:00                     ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-18  8:00                       ` Johannes Berg
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 09/20] um: lkl: kernel thread support Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-14 17:01             ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-14 17:01               ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-16  1:18               ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-16  1:18                 ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 10/20] um: lkl: system call interface and application API Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 11/20] um: lkl: basic console support Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-14 20:42             ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-14 20:42               ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-16  1:19               ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-16  1:19                 ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 12/20] um: lkl: initialization and cleanup Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-14 20:40             ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-14 20:40               ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-16  1:19               ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-16  1:19                 ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 13/20] um: lkl: integrate with irq infrastructure of UML Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-14 20:45             ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-14 20:45               ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-16  1:20               ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-16  1:20                 ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-16 21:36                 ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-16 21:36                   ` Johannes Berg
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 14/20] um: lkl: plug in the build system Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 15/20] um: host: add library mode build for ARCH=um Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 16/20] um: host: add utilities functions Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 17/20] um: host: posix host operations Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 18/20] selftests/um: lkl: add test programs for library mode of UML Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 19/20] um: lkl: add block device support " Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-14 20:37             ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-14 20:37               ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-16  1:19               ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-16  1:19                 ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-16 21:32                 ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-16 21:32                   ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-17 14:19                   ` Octavian Purdila
2021-03-17 14:19                     ` Octavian Purdila
2021-03-17 14:28                     ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-17 14:28                       ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-18  0:15                       ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-18  0:15                         ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-18  0:43                         ` Octavian Purdila
2021-03-18  0:43                           ` Octavian Purdila
2021-01-20  2:27           ` [RFC v8 20/20] um: lkl: add documentation Hajime Tazaki
2021-01-20  2:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-14 21:03           ` [RFC v8 00/20] Unifying LKL into UML Johannes Berg
2021-03-14 21:03             ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-16  1:17             ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-16  1:17               ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-16 21:29               ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-16 21:29                 ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-17 14:03                 ` Octavian Purdila
2021-03-17 14:03                   ` Octavian Purdila
2021-03-17 14:24                   ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-17 14:24                     ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-18 14:17                     ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-18 14:17                       ` Hajime Tazaki
2021-03-18 16:28                       ` Johannes Berg
2021-03-18 16:28                         ` Johannes Berg

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