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From: Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de>
To: Tomasz Figa <tomasz.figa@gmail.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>, Jon Loeliger <jdl@jdl.com>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@linaro.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/9] dt: deps: dtc: Automatically add new property 'dependencies' which contains a list of referenced phandles
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 14:35:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5379FAA5.10404@ahsoftware.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53775334.3030704@gmail.com>

Am 17.05.2014 14:16, schrieb Tomasz Figa:

>> References to phandles of parent or child nodes will not be added to this
>> property, because this information is already contained in the blob (in the
>> form of the tree itself).
>
> I wonder if we shouldn't be including them too for consistency related
> reasons, so we have all the necessary information in one place.
> References to child nodes are great recipes for cycles, though...
>
> No strong opinion, though, just an idea.

As said, they are already in the tree itself. And they are already 
included in the graph (these are the black edges), so they just don't 
appear in the property dependencies.

>
>>
>> No dependencies to disabled nodes will be added.
>>
>
> Same here. IMHO it might be wise to let the parsing entity (e.g. kernel)
> decide whether to ignore a dependency to disabled node or not.
>
> Otherwise, I like the simplicity of compile-time dependency list
> creation. Quite a nice work.

Thanks.

What's still questionable about the patches for dtc is if dependencies 
to devices and not just drivers should be included in the new property 
dependencies too. My current assumption is that all devices belonging to 
one and the same driver don't have dependencies between each other. In 
other words the order in which devices will be attached to one and the 
same driver isn't important. If that assumption is correct it would be 
possible to just attach all devices belonging to a driver after the 
driver was loaded (also I haven't that done in my patches).

And thinking about that again, I think I was wrong and doing so have 
been some kind of evil premature optimization I did in order to spare a 
few dependencies/edges. But changing this can done by removing a few 
lines in the code for dtc (patch 1).

Regards,

Alexander Holler


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From: holler@ahsoftware.de (Alexander Holler)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH 1/9] dt: deps: dtc: Automatically add new property 'dependencies' which contains a list of referenced phandles
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 14:35:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5379FAA5.10404@ahsoftware.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53775334.3030704@gmail.com>

Am 17.05.2014 14:16, schrieb Tomasz Figa:

>> References to phandles of parent or child nodes will not be added to this
>> property, because this information is already contained in the blob (in the
>> form of the tree itself).
>
> I wonder if we shouldn't be including them too for consistency related
> reasons, so we have all the necessary information in one place.
> References to child nodes are great recipes for cycles, though...
>
> No strong opinion, though, just an idea.

As said, they are already in the tree itself. And they are already 
included in the graph (these are the black edges), so they just don't 
appear in the property dependencies.

>
>>
>> No dependencies to disabled nodes will be added.
>>
>
> Same here. IMHO it might be wise to let the parsing entity (e.g. kernel)
> decide whether to ignore a dependency to disabled node or not.
>
> Otherwise, I like the simplicity of compile-time dependency list
> creation. Quite a nice work.

Thanks.

What's still questionable about the patches for dtc is if dependencies 
to devices and not just drivers should be included in the new property 
dependencies too. My current assumption is that all devices belonging to 
one and the same driver don't have dependencies between each other. In 
other words the order in which devices will be attached to one and the 
same driver isn't important. If that assumption is correct it would be 
possible to just attach all devices belonging to a driver after the 
driver was loaded (also I haven't that done in my patches).

And thinking about that again, I think I was wrong and doing so have 
been some kind of evil premature optimization I did in order to spare a 
few dependencies/edges. But changing this can done by removing a few 
lines in the code for dtc (patch 1).

Regards,

Alexander Holler

  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-19 12:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 258+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-12 16:47 [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT) Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 1/9] dt: deps: dtc: Automatically add new property 'dependencies' which contains a list of referenced phandles Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-17 12:16   ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-17 12:16     ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-17 12:16     ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-19 12:35     ` Alexander Holler [this message]
2014-05-19 12:35       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-19 15:38       ` Jon Loeliger
2014-05-19 15:49       ` Jon Loeliger
2014-05-19 17:26         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-19 17:26           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-19 17:26           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-27 20:02       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-27 20:02         ` Grant Likely
2014-05-27 20:02         ` Grant Likely
2014-05-27 20:31         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-27 20:31           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] dt: deps: dependency based device creation Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:05   ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:05     ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:05     ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:49     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:49       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:49       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:20       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:20         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 20:06       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 20:06         ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 20:06         ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 21:10         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 21:10           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-16 11:00           ` Grant Likely
2014-05-16 11:00             ` Grant Likely
2014-05-16 11:00             ` Grant Likely
2014-05-18  9:53             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-18  9:53               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-16 17:31           ` Alexander Shiyan
2014-05-16 17:31             ` Alexander Shiyan
2014-05-16 17:31             ` Alexander Shiyan
     [not found]           ` <5373DBCF.1080503-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-16 17:31             ` Alexander Shiyan
2014-05-16 17:31           ` Alexander Shiyan
2014-05-14 15:51     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 15:51       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-17 14:24     ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-17 14:24       ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-18 14:59       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-18 14:59         ` Grant Likely
2014-05-19  8:41         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-19  8:41           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 3/9] dt: deps: dtc: Add option to print initialization order Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 20:38   ` Jon Loeliger
2014-05-12 22:58     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 22:58       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 22:58       ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]       ` <537151FF.8070104-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-13  8:54         ` [PATCH 0/3] add dependencies Alexander Holler
     [not found]           ` <1399971243-18153-1-git-send-email-holler-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-13  8:54             ` [PATCH 1/3] deps: Automatically add new property 'dependencies' which contains a list of referenced phandles Alexander Holler
2014-05-13  8:54             ` [PATCH 2/3] deps: Add option to print initialization order Alexander Holler
2014-05-13  8:54             ` [PATCH 3/3] deps: Add option to print dependency graph as dot (Graphviz) Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 18:48         ` [PATCH] deps: introduce new (virtual) property no-dependencies Alexander Holler
     [not found]           ` <1400006923-7950-1-git-send-email-holler-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14  1:55             ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]               ` <5372CD15.5020001-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14  7:02                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 4/9] dt: deps: dtc: Add option to print dependency graph as dot (Graphviz) Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 5/9] dt: deps: register drivers based on the initialization order based on DT Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:13   ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:13     ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:13     ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:58     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:58       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:58       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:32       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 19:32         ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 19:32         ` Grant Likely
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 6/9] dt: deps: WIP: well done drivers Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 7/9] dt: deps: kirkwood: make it possible to use CONFIG_OF_DEPENDENCIES Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 8/9] dt: deps: dts: kirkwood: dockstar: add dependency ehci -> usb power regulator Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:48 ` [RFC PATCH 9/9] dt: deps: omap2: make it possible to use CONFIG_OF_DEPENDENCIES Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:48   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 15:40 ` [PATCH 10/9] dt: deps: fix bug not registering late drivers when OF_DEPENDENCIES is disabled Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 15:40   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 15:40   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 19:27 ` [RFC PATCH 11/9] dt: deps: dtc: introduce new (virtual) property no-dependencies Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 19:27   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 19:27   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14  8:20 ` dt: deps: some tips about how to debug/evaluate this feature Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:19 ` [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT) Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:19   ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:19   ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 15:02   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 15:02     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 16:05     ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 16:05       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 16:05       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 16:23       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 16:23         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 16:23         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:30         ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 17:30           ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 17:30           ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 17:45           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:45             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:45             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:53             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:53               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:53               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 18:16               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 18:16                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 18:16                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:13                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:13                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:13                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:06             ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 19:06               ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 19:06               ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 19:24               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:24                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:24                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-15  1:46                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-15  1:46                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-15  1:46                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 23:00               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 23:00                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 23:00                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-21 14:02   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-21 14:02     ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-21 14:02     ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-21 19:19     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-21 19:19       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-21 19:19       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-22 13:19       ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-22 13:19         ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-22 13:19         ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-22 15:45         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-22 15:45           ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-22 15:45           ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-25  9:39         ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25  9:39           ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25  9:39           ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 13:08           ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-25 13:08             ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-25 13:08             ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-25 13:37             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 13:37               ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 13:37               ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 14:13               ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-25 14:13                 ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-25 14:13                 ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-25 14:41                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 14:41                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 14:41                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  8:42               ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  8:42                 ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  8:42                 ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  8:49                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  8:49                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  8:49                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  9:42                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  9:42                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  9:42                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:11                     ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-26 10:11                       ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-26 10:11                       ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-26 10:24                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 10:24                         ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 10:24                         ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-27 10:34                       ` Grant Likely
2014-08-27 10:34                         ` Grant Likely
2014-08-27 10:34                         ` Grant Likely
2014-08-27 14:44                         ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 14:44                           ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 14:44                           ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 16:22                           ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:22                             ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:22                             ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:30                             ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 16:30                               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 16:30                               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 16:37                               ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:37                                 ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:37                                 ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:58                                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 16:58                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 16:58                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 17:52                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 17:52                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 17:52                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 18:14                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 18:14                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 18:14                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  6:50                                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  6:50                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  6:50                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  9:23                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-28  9:23                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-28  9:23                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-29  1:43                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-29  1:43                                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-29  1:43                                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:25                     ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 10:25                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 10:25                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 10:44                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:44                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:44                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:01                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:01                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:01                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:08                         ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 11:08                           ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 11:08                           ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 11:23                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:23                             ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:23                             ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:47                             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 11:47                               ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 11:47                               ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 12:00                               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 12:00                                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 12:00                                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 13:58                                 ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-26 13:58                                   ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-26 13:58                                   ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-26 14:17                                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 14:17                                     ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 14:17                                     ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-27  7:16                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27  7:16                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27  7:16                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27  9:26                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27  9:26                                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27  9:26                                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  7:56             ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  7:56               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  7:56               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  8:51             ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  8:51               ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  8:51               ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  9:56               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  9:56                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  9:56                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:18               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:18                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:18                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  9:54           ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-26  9:54             ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-26  9:54             ` Mark Rutland

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