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From: Manfred Spraul <manfred@colorfullife.com>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Kirill Tkhai <ktkhai@parallels.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] [PATCH] sched: Add smp_rmb() in task rq locking cycles
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:14:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54E4E479.4050003@colorfullife.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150218155904.GA27687@redhat.com>

Hi Oleg,

On 02/18/2015 04:59 PM, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> Let's look at sem_lock(). I never looked at this code before, I can be
> easily wrong. Manfred will correct me. But at first glance we can write
> the oversimplified pseudo-code:
>
> 	spinlock_t local, global;
>
> 	bool my_lock(bool try_local)
> 	{
> 		if (try_local) {
> 			spin_lock(&local);
> 			if (!spin_is_locked(&global))
> 				return true;
> 			spin_unlock(&local);
> 		}
>
> 		spin_lock(&global);
> 		spin_unlock_wait(&local);
> 		return false;
> 	}
>
> 	void my_unlock(bool drop_local)
> 	{
> 		if (drop_local)
> 			spin_unlock(&local);
> 		else
> 			spin_unlock(&global);
> 	}
>
> it assumes that the "local" lock is cheaper than "global", the usage is
>
> 	bool xxx = my_lock(condition);
> 	/* CRITICAL SECTION */
> 	my_unlock(xxx);
>
> Now. Unless I missed something, my_lock() does NOT need a barrier BEFORE
> spin_unlock_wait() (or spin_is_locked()). Either my_lock(true) should see
> spin_is_locked(global) == T, or my_lock(false)->spin_unlock_wait() should
> see that "local" is locked and wait.
I would agree:
There is no need for a barrier. spin_unlock_read() is just a read, the 
barriers are from spin_lock() and spin_unlock().

The barrier exist to protect something like a "force_global" flag 
(complex_count)

> spinlock_t local, global;
> bool force_global;
> bool my_lock(bool try_local)
> {
> 	if (try_local) {
> 		spin_lock(&local);
> 		if (!spin_is_locked(&global)) {
> 			if (!force_global) {
> 				return true;
> 			}
> 		}
> 		spin_unlock(&local);
>
>
> 		spin_lock(&global);
> 		spin_unlock_wait(&local);
> 		return false;
> 	}
>
> 	void my_unlock(bool drop_local)
> 	{
> 		if (drop_local)
> 			spin_unlock(&local);
> 		else
> 			spin_unlock(&global);
> 	}
> }

force_global can only be set by the owner of &global.

> Another question is do we need a barrier AFTER spin_unlock_wait(). I do not
> know what ipc/sem.c actually needs, but in general (I think) this does need
> mb(). Otherwise my_lock / my_unlock itself does not have the proper acq/rel
> semantics. For example, my_lock(false) can miss the changes which were done
> under my_lock(true).
How could that happen?
I thought that
thread A:
	protected_var = 1234;
	spin_unlock(&lock_a)
	
thread B:
	spin_lock(&lock_b)
	if (protected_var)
  
is safe. i.e, there is no need that acquire and releases is done on the same pointer.

--
	Manfred



  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-18 19:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20150217104516.12144.85911.stgit@tkhai>
2015-02-17 10:47 ` [PATCH 2/2] [PATCH] sched: Add smp_rmb() in task rq locking cycles Kirill Tkhai
2015-02-17 12:12   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-17 12:36     ` Kirill Tkhai
2015-02-17 12:45       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-17 13:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-17 16:05       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-17 18:01         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-17 18:23           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-17 21:45             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-18 13:41               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-17 18:36         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-17 21:52           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-18 13:47             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-18 18:43               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-18 15:53             ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-02-18 16:11               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-18 16:32                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-02-18 19:23                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-18 15:59             ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-02-18 19:14               ` Manfred Spraul [this message]
2015-02-18 22:43                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-19 14:19                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-02-20 18:28                     ` Manfred Spraul
2015-02-20 18:45                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-20 20:23                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-02-21 12:54                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-25 19:56                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-26 10:52                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-28 14:33                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-28 15:53                               ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-28 16:24                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-28 16:44                                   ` [PATCH] spinlock: clarify doc for raw_spin_unlock_wait() Chris Metcalf
2015-04-29 17:34                                     ` Manfred Spraul
2015-04-28 17:33                                   ` [PATCH 1/2] tile: modify arch_spin_unlock_wait() semantics Chris Metcalf
2015-04-28 17:33                                     ` [PATCH 2/2] tile: use READ_ONCE() in arch_spin_is_locked() Chris Metcalf
2015-04-28 16:40                                 ` [PATCH 2/2] [PATCH] sched: Add smp_rmb() in task rq locking cycles Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-28 16:58                                   ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-28 17:43                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-28 18:00                                       ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-28 18:24                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-28 18:38                                           ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-28 14:32                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-28 20:33                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-21  3:26                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-23 18:29                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-18 17:05     ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Clarify ordering between task_rq_lock() and move_queued_task() tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra

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