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From: Michael Wang <yun.wang@profitbricks.com>
To: Tom Talpey <tom@talpey.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
Cc: "ira.weiny" <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
	Roland Dreier <roland@kernel.org>,
	Sean Hefty <sean.hefty@intel.com>,
	Hal Rosenstock <hal.rosenstock@gmail.com>,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@primarydata.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz@mellanox.com>,
	Moni Shoua <monis@mellanox.com>,
	PJ Waskiewicz <pj.waskiewicz@solidfire.com>,
	Tatyana Nikolova <Tatyana.E.Nikolova@intel.com>,
	Yan Burman <yanb@mellanox.com>,
	Jack Morgenstein <jackm@dev.mellanox.co.il>,
	Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	Yann Droneaud <ydroneaud@opteya.com>,
	Colin Ian King <colin.king@canonical.com>,
	Majd Dibbiny <majd@mellanox.com>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	Matan Barak <matanb@mellanox.com>, Alex Estrin <alex.estrin@>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 08/11] IB/Verbs: Use management helper has_iwarp() for, iwarp-check
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 15:58:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <551AA81C.30701@profitbricks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <551AA78D.4040502@talpey.com>

On 03/31/2015 03:42 PM, Tom Talpey wrote:

> On 3/31/2015 7:41 AM, Michael Wang wrote:
>> [snip]
> Yes, in fact the iWARP protocol does not preclude multiple read SGEs,
> even though most iWARP implementations have chosen to support just one.
>
> Even for multi-SGE-capable adapters, there is a limit of SGL size, based
> on the adapter's work request format and other factors. So my argument
> is that upper layers can and should query that, not make a blanket
> decision based on protocol type.

Thanks for the explanation  Sounds like some new callback on device level
like query_device() to acquire the right info.

>> I currently only find this one place where infer max-read-sges from
>> transport type, it looks more like a special case to me rather than a generic
>> method we could exposed... and also  not very related with IB management
>> helper concept IMHO.
> It is most certainly not a special case, but you could decide to
> introduce it in many ways. I'm not commenting on that.
>
> My main concern is that you do not introduce a new and clumsy "is iWARP"
> rule as an adapter-specific API requirement to expose the RDMA Read SGE
> behavior. That's what your initial message seemed to imply?

Yeah I planed to just use rdma_transport_iwarp() to replace the check, it's
actually meaningless but just refine, frankly speaking I would prefer some
driver developer to work on that part, at this point I prefer to focus on
introducing the management helpers firstly 

Maybe we could mark it as a TODO temporarily, if later we found more
scenes using similar logical, we can collect them and do some reform 

Regards,
Michael Wang

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From: Michael Wang <yun.wang@profitbricks.com>
To: Tom Talpey <tom@talpey.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
Cc: "ira.weiny" <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
	Roland Dreier <roland@kernel.org>,
	Sean Hefty <sean.hefty@intel.com>,
	Hal Rosenstock <hal.rosenstock@gmail.com>,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@primarydata.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz@mellanox.com>,
	Moni Shoua <monis@mellanox.com>,
	PJ Waskiewicz <pj.waskiewicz@solidfire.com>,
	Tatyana Nikolova <Tatyana.E.Nikolova@intel.com>,
	Yan Burman <yanb@mellanox.com>,
	Jack Morgenstein <jackm@dev.mellanox.co.il>,
	Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	Yann Droneaud <ydroneaud@opteya.com>,
	Colin Ian King <colin.king@canonical.com>,
	Majd Dibbiny <majd@mellanox.com>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	Matan Barak <matanb@mellanox.com>,
	Alex Estrin <alex.estrin@intel.com>,
	Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Erez Shitrit <erezsh@mellanox.com>,
	Sagi Grimberg <sagig@mellanox.com>,
	Haggai Eran <haggaie@mellanox.com>,
	Shachar Raindel <raindel@mellanox.com>,
	Mike Marciniszyn <mike.marciniszyn@intel.com>,
	Steve Wise <swise@opengridcomputing.com>, Tom Tucker <tom@ogc.us>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 08/11] IB/Verbs: Use management helper has_iwarp() for, iwarp-check
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 15:58:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <551AA81C.30701@profitbricks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <551AA78D.4040502@talpey.com>

On 03/31/2015 03:42 PM, Tom Talpey wrote:

> On 3/31/2015 7:41 AM, Michael Wang wrote:
>> [snip]
> Yes, in fact the iWARP protocol does not preclude multiple read SGEs,
> even though most iWARP implementations have chosen to support just one.
>
> Even for multi-SGE-capable adapters, there is a limit of SGL size, based
> on the adapter's work request format and other factors. So my argument
> is that upper layers can and should query that, not make a blanket
> decision based on protocol type.

Thanks for the explanation  Sounds like some new callback on device level
like query_device() to acquire the right info.

>> I currently only find this one place where infer max-read-sges from
>> transport type, it looks more like a special case to me rather than a generic
>> method we could exposed... and also  not very related with IB management
>> helper concept IMHO.
> It is most certainly not a special case, but you could decide to
> introduce it in many ways. I'm not commenting on that.
>
> My main concern is that you do not introduce a new and clumsy "is iWARP"
> rule as an adapter-specific API requirement to expose the RDMA Read SGE
> behavior. That's what your initial message seemed to imply?

Yeah I planed to just use rdma_transport_iwarp() to replace the check, it's
actually meaningless but just refine, frankly speaking I would prefer some
driver developer to work on that part, at this point I prefer to focus on
introducing the management helpers firstly 

Maybe we could mark it as a TODO temporarily, if later we found more
scenes using similar logical, we can collect them and do some reform 

Regards,
Michael Wang



WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Michael Wang <yun.wang@profitbricks.com>
To: Tom Talpey <tom@talpey.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
Cc: "ira.weiny" <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
	Roland Dreier <roland@kernel.org>,
	Sean Hefty <sean.hefty@intel.com>,
	Hal Rosenstock <hal.rosenstock@gmail.com>,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@primarydata.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz@mellanox.com>,
	Moni Shoua <monis@mellanox.com>,
	PJ Waskiewicz <pj.waskiewicz@solidfire.com>,
	Tatyana Nikolova <Tatyana.E.Nikolova@intel.com>,
	Yan Burman <yanb@mellanox.com>,
	Jack Morgenstein <jackm@dev.mellanox.co.il>,
	Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	Yann Droneaud <ydroneaud@opteya.com>,
	Colin Ian King <colin.king@canonical.com>,
	Majd Dibbiny <majd@mellanox.com>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	Matan Barak <matanb@mellanox.com>, Alex Estrin <alex.estrin@
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 08/11] IB/Verbs: Use management helper has_iwarp() for, iwarp-check
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 15:58:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <551AA81C.30701@profitbricks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <551AA78D.4040502@talpey.com>

On 03/31/2015 03:42 PM, Tom Talpey wrote:

> On 3/31/2015 7:41 AM, Michael Wang wrote:
>> [snip]
> Yes, in fact the iWARP protocol does not preclude multiple read SGEs,
> even though most iWARP implementations have chosen to support just one.
>
> Even for multi-SGE-capable adapters, there is a limit of SGL size, based
> on the adapter's work request format and other factors. So my argument
> is that upper layers can and should query that, not make a blanket
> decision based on protocol type.

Thanks for the explanation  Sounds like some new callback on device level
like query_device() to acquire the right info.

>> I currently only find this one place where infer max-read-sges from
>> transport type, it looks more like a special case to me rather than a generic
>> method we could exposed... and also  not very related with IB management
>> helper concept IMHO.
> It is most certainly not a special case, but you could decide to
> introduce it in many ways. I'm not commenting on that.
>
> My main concern is that you do not introduce a new and clumsy "is iWARP"
> rule as an adapter-specific API requirement to expose the RDMA Read SGE
> behavior. That's what your initial message seemed to imply?

Yeah I planed to just use rdma_transport_iwarp() to replace the check, it's
actually meaningless but just refine, frankly speaking I would prefer some
driver developer to work on that part, at this point I prefer to focus on
introducing the management helpers firstly 

Maybe we could mark it as a TODO temporarily, if later we found more
scenes using similar logical, we can collect them and do some reform 

Regards,
Michael Wang

  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-31 13:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 189+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-27 15:39 [RFC PATCH 00/11] IB/Verbs: IB Management Helpers Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:39 ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:39 ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:42 ` [RFC PATCH 02/11] IB/Verbs: Use management helper tech_iboe() for iboe-check Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:42   ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:42   ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30 16:17   ` Doug Ledford
2015-03-30 16:17     ` Doug Ledford
2015-03-30 16:17     ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]     ` <1427732250.21101.202.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-30 16:23       ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30 16:23         ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30 16:23         ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:43 ` [RFC PATCH 03/11] IB/Verbs: Use management helper has_mad() for mad-check Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:43   ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:43   ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:44 ` [RFC PATCH 04/11] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_smi() for smi-check Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:44   ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:44   ` Michael Wang
     [not found]   ` <55157AEB.7020705-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-27 16:32     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 16:32       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 16:32       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]       ` <20150327163219.GD28412-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-27 16:59         ` Yun Wang
2015-03-27 16:59           ` Yun Wang
2015-03-27 16:59           ` Yun Wang
2015-03-27 15:45 ` [RFC PATCH 05/11] IB/Verbs: Use management helper has_cm() for cm-check Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:45   ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:45   ` Michael Wang
     [not found] ` <551579CA.4030901-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-27 15:40   ` [PATCH 01/11] IB/Verbs: Use helpers to check transport and link layer Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:40     ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:40     ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30 15:56     ` Doug Ledford
2015-03-30 15:56       ` Doug Ledford
2015-03-30 15:56       ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]       ` <1427730964.21101.195.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-30 16:14         ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30 16:14           ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30 16:14           ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30 16:22           ` Doug Ledford
2015-03-30 16:22             ` Doug Ledford
2015-03-30 16:22             ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]             ` <1427732576.21101.205.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-30 17:04               ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30 17:04                 ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30 17:04                 ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:46   ` [RFC PATCH 06/11] IB/Verbs: Use management helper has_sa() and cap_sa(), for sa-check Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:46     ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:46     ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 16:47     ` ira.weiny
2015-03-27 16:47       ` ira.weiny
2015-03-27 16:47       ` ira.weiny
2015-03-27 17:13       ` Yun Wang
2015-03-27 17:13         ` Yun Wang
2015-03-27 17:13         ` Yun Wang
2015-03-27 19:49       ` Doug Ledford
2015-03-27 19:49         ` Doug Ledford
2015-03-27 19:49         ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]     ` <55157B43.6060507-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-30 16:16       ` Doug Ledford
2015-03-30 16:16         ` Doug Ledford
2015-03-30 16:16         ` Doug Ledford
2015-03-30 16:42         ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30 16:42           ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30 16:42           ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30 17:02           ` Doug Ledford
2015-03-30 17:02             ` Doug Ledford
2015-03-30 17:02             ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]             ` <1427734923.21101.227.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-31 13:22               ` Michael Wang
2015-03-31 13:22                 ` Michael Wang
2015-03-31 13:22                 ` Michael Wang
2015-03-31 23:12             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-31 23:12               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-31 23:12               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]               ` <20150331231202.GA20094-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-01  0:51                 ` ira.weiny
2015-04-01  0:51                   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-01  0:51                   ` ira.weiny
     [not found]                   ` <20150401005113.GA15327-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-01  1:31                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-04-01  1:31                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-04-01  1:31                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 15:46   ` [RFC PATCH 07/11] IB/Verbs: Use management helper has_mcast() and, cap_mcast() for mcast-check Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:46     ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:46     ` Michael Wang
     [not found]     ` <55157B71.6040505-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-27 16:28       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 16:28         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 16:28         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 17:05         ` ira.weiny
2015-03-27 17:05           ` ira.weiny
2015-03-27 17:05           ` ira.weiny
     [not found]           ` <20150327170508.GB27862-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-27 17:31             ` Yun Wang
2015-03-27 17:31               ` Yun Wang
2015-03-27 17:31               ` Yun Wang
2015-03-27 17:49               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 17:49                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 17:49                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 18:09                 ` Yun Wang
2015-03-27 18:09                   ` Yun Wang
2015-03-27 18:09                   ` Yun Wang
2015-03-27 17:47             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 17:47               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 17:47               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]               ` <20150327174727.GB28901-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-30  8:30                 ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30  8:30                   ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30  8:30                   ` Michael Wang
     [not found]                   ` <551909AC.2030304-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-30 22:33                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-30 22:33                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-30 22:33                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-30 16:11       ` Doug Ledford
2015-03-30 16:11         ` Doug Ledford
2015-03-30 16:11         ` Doug Ledford
2015-03-30 16:20         ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30 16:20           ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30 16:20           ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30 23:47           ` ira.weiny
2015-03-30 23:47             ` ira.weiny
2015-03-30 23:47             ` ira.weiny
     [not found]             ` <20150330234717.GA28446-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-31  7:25               ` Michael Wang
2015-03-31  7:25                 ` Michael Wang
2015-03-31  7:25                 ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:47 ` [RFC PATCH 08/11] IB/Verbs: Use management helper has_iwarp() for, iwarp-check Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:47   ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:47   ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 16:13   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 16:13     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 16:13     ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <20150327161319.GB28412-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-27 16:17       ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 16:17         ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 16:17         ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 17:16     ` ira.weiny
2015-03-27 17:16       ` ira.weiny
2015-03-27 17:16       ` ira.weiny
2015-03-27 17:29       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 17:29         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 17:29         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20150327172912.GA28901-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-30 15:10           ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30 15:10             ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30 15:10             ` Michael Wang
     [not found]             ` <55196754.5010600-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-30 22:35               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-30 22:35                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-30 22:35                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20150330223528.GB27728-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-31  7:39                   ` Michael Wang
2015-03-31  7:39                     ` Michael Wang
2015-03-31  7:39                     ` Michael Wang
     [not found]                     ` <551A4F24.6090405-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-31 11:19                       ` Tom Talpey
2015-03-31 11:19                         ` Tom Talpey
2015-03-31 11:19                         ` Tom Talpey
2015-03-31 11:41                         ` Michael Wang
2015-03-31 11:41                           ` Michael Wang
2015-03-31 11:41                           ` Michael Wang
     [not found]                           ` <551A87D3.2070306-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-31 13:56                             ` Tom Talpey
2015-03-31 13:56                               ` Tom Talpey
2015-03-31 13:56                               ` Tom Talpey
2015-03-31 13:58                               ` Michael Wang [this message]
2015-03-31 13:58                                 ` Michael Wang
2015-03-31 13:58                                 ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 17:35       ` Yun Wang
2015-03-27 17:35         ` Yun Wang
2015-03-27 17:35         ` Yun Wang
2015-03-30 16:13   ` Doug Ledford
2015-03-30 16:13     ` Doug Ledford
2015-03-30 16:13     ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]     ` <1427731980.21101.199.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-30 16:21       ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30 16:21         ` Michael Wang
2015-03-30 16:21         ` Michael Wang
2015-03-31 23:20       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-31 23:20         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-31 23:20         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 15:48 ` [RFC PATCH 09/11] IB/Verbs: Use management helper has_ipoib() and, cap_ipoib() for ipoib-check Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:48   ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:48   ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 16:06   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 16:06     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 16:06     ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <20150327160616.GA28412-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-27 16:15       ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 16:15         ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 16:15         ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 16:38         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 16:38           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 16:38           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-03-27 15:49 ` [RFC PATCH 10/11] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_ib() for ib-check Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:49   ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:49   ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:49 ` [RFC PATCH 11/11] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_eth() for eth-check Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:49   ` Michael Wang
2015-03-27 15:49   ` Michael Wang
2015-04-06 20:22 ` [RFC PATCH 00/11] IB/Verbs: IB Management Helpers ira.weiny
2015-04-06 20:22   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-06 20:22   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-07  7:31   ` Michael Wang
2015-04-07  7:31     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-07  7:31     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-07 12:48   ` Michael Wang
2015-04-07 12:48     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-07 12:48     ` Michael Wang

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