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From: George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: Jonathan Davies <Jonathan.Davies@citrix.com>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xensource.com" <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>,
	Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>,
	"Stefano Stabellini" <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Paul Durrant" <paul.durrant@citrix.com>,
	Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org>,
	Felipe Franciosi <felipe.franciosi@citrix.com>,
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] "tcp: refine TSO autosizing" causes performance regression on Xen
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 09:56:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <552F7936.9070205@eu.citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1429121979.7346.138.camel@edumazet-glaptop2.roam.corp.google.com>

On 04/15/2015 07:19 PM, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-04-15 at 19:04 +0100, George Dunlap wrote:
> 
>> Maybe you should stop wasting all of our time and just tell us what
>> you're thinking.
> 
> I think you make me wasting my time.
> 
> I already gave all the hints in prior discussions.

Right, and I suggested these two options:

"Obviously one solution would be to allow the drivers themselves to set
the tcp_limit_output_bytes, but that seems like a maintenance
nightmare.

"Another simple solution would be to allow drivers to indicate whether
they have a high transmit latency, and have the kernel use a higher
value by default when that's the case." [1]

Neither of which you commented on.  Instead you pointed me to a comment
that only partially described what the limitations were. (I.e., it
described the "two packets or 1ms", but not how they related, nor how
they related to the "max of 2 64k packets outstanding" of the default
tcp_limit_output_bytes setting.)

 -George


[1]
http://marc.info/?i=<CAFLBxZYt7-v29ysm=f+5QMOw64_QhESjzj98udba+1cS-PfObA@mail.gmail.com>

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com (George Dunlap)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [Xen-devel] "tcp: refine TSO autosizing" causes performance regression on Xen
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 09:56:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <552F7936.9070205@eu.citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1429121979.7346.138.camel@edumazet-glaptop2.roam.corp.google.com>

On 04/15/2015 07:19 PM, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-04-15 at 19:04 +0100, George Dunlap wrote:
> 
>> Maybe you should stop wasting all of our time and just tell us what
>> you're thinking.
> 
> I think you make me wasting my time.
> 
> I already gave all the hints in prior discussions.

Right, and I suggested these two options:

"Obviously one solution would be to allow the drivers themselves to set
the tcp_limit_output_bytes, but that seems like a maintenance
nightmare.

"Another simple solution would be to allow drivers to indicate whether
they have a high transmit latency, and have the kernel use a higher
value by default when that's the case." [1]

Neither of which you commented on.  Instead you pointed me to a comment
that only partially described what the limitations were. (I.e., it
described the "two packets or 1ms", but not how they related, nor how
they related to the "max of 2 64k packets outstanding" of the default
tcp_limit_output_bytes setting.)

 -George


[1]
http://marc.info/?i=<CAFLBxZYt7-v29ysm=f+5QMOw64_QhESjzj98udba+1cS-PfObA@mail.gmail.com>

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: Jonathan Davies <Jonathan.Davies@citrix.com>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xensource.com" <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>,
	Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Paul Durrant <paul.durrant@citrix.com>,
	Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org>,
	Felipe Franciosi <felipe.franciosi@citrix.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] "tcp: refine TSO autosizing" causes performance regression on Xen
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 09:56:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <552F7936.9070205@eu.citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1429121979.7346.138.camel@edumazet-glaptop2.roam.corp.google.com>

On 04/15/2015 07:19 PM, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-04-15 at 19:04 +0100, George Dunlap wrote:
> 
>> Maybe you should stop wasting all of our time and just tell us what
>> you're thinking.
> 
> I think you make me wasting my time.
> 
> I already gave all the hints in prior discussions.

Right, and I suggested these two options:

"Obviously one solution would be to allow the drivers themselves to set
the tcp_limit_output_bytes, but that seems like a maintenance
nightmare.

"Another simple solution would be to allow drivers to indicate whether
they have a high transmit latency, and have the kernel use a higher
value by default when that's the case." [1]

Neither of which you commented on.  Instead you pointed me to a comment
that only partially described what the limitations were. (I.e., it
described the "two packets or 1ms", but not how they related, nor how
they related to the "max of 2 64k packets outstanding" of the default
tcp_limit_output_bytes setting.)

 -George


[1]
http://marc.info/?i=<CAFLBxZYt7-v29ysm=f+5QMOw64_QhESjzj98udba+1cS-PfObA@mail.gmail.com>

  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-16  8:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-09 15:46 "tcp: refine TSO autosizing" causes performance regression on Xen Stefano Stabellini
2015-04-09 15:46 ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-04-09 15:46 ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-04-09 16:16 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-09 16:16   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-09 16:36   ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-04-09 16:36     ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-04-09 16:36     ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-04-09 17:07     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-09 17:07       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-13 10:56     ` [Xen-devel] " George Dunlap
2015-04-13 10:56       ` George Dunlap
2015-04-13 13:38       ` Jonathan Davies
2015-04-13 13:38         ` Jonathan Davies
2015-04-13 13:38         ` Jonathan Davies
2015-04-13 13:49       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-13 13:49         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 13:43         ` George Dunlap
2015-04-15 13:43           ` George Dunlap
2015-04-15 16:38           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 16:38             ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 16:38             ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 17:23             ` George Dunlap
2015-04-15 17:23               ` George Dunlap
2015-04-15 17:23               ` George Dunlap
2015-04-15 17:29               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 17:29                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 17:41                 ` George Dunlap
2015-04-15 17:41                   ` George Dunlap
2015-04-15 17:41                   ` George Dunlap
2015-04-15 17:52                   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 17:52                     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 17:55                     ` Rick Jones
2015-04-15 17:55                       ` Rick Jones
2015-04-15 18:08                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 18:08                         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 18:19                         ` Rick Jones
2015-04-15 18:19                           ` Rick Jones
2015-04-15 18:32                           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 18:32                             ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 18:32                             ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 20:08                             ` [Xen-devel] " Rick Jones
2015-04-15 20:08                               ` Rick Jones
2015-04-15 20:08                               ` Rick Jones
2015-04-15 18:04                     ` George Dunlap
2015-04-15 18:04                       ` George Dunlap
2015-04-15 18:04                       ` George Dunlap
2015-04-15 18:19                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 18:19                         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-16  8:56                         ` George Dunlap [this message]
2015-04-16  8:56                           ` George Dunlap
2015-04-16  8:56                           ` George Dunlap
2015-04-16  9:20                           ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-04-16  9:20                             ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-04-16  9:20                             ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-04-16 10:01                             ` George Dunlap
2015-04-16 10:01                               ` George Dunlap
2015-04-16 10:01                               ` George Dunlap
2015-04-16 12:42                               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-16 12:42                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-20 11:03                                 ` George Dunlap
2015-04-20 11:03                                   ` George Dunlap
2015-06-02  9:52                                 ` Wei Liu
2015-06-02  9:52                                   ` Wei Liu
2015-06-02  9:52                                   ` Wei Liu
2015-06-02 16:16                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-06-02 16:16                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-16  9:22                           ` David Laight
2015-04-16  9:22                             ` David Laight
2015-04-16  9:22                             ` David Laight
2015-04-16 10:57                             ` George Dunlap
2015-04-16 10:57                               ` George Dunlap
2015-04-16 10:57                               ` George Dunlap
2015-04-15 17:41               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 17:41                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 17:58                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-04-15 17:58                   ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-04-15 17:58                   ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-04-15 18:17                   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-15 18:17                     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-16  4:20                     ` Herbert Xu
2015-04-16  4:20                       ` Herbert Xu
2015-04-16  4:30                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-16  4:30                         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-16 11:39                     ` George Dunlap
2015-04-16 11:39                       ` George Dunlap
2015-04-16 11:39                       ` George Dunlap
2015-04-16 12:16                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-16 12:16                         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-16 13:00                       ` Tim Deegan
2015-04-16 13:00                         ` Tim Deegan
2015-04-16 13:00                         ` Tim Deegan

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