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From: "Alexander E. Patrakov" <patrakov@gmail.com>
To: Raymond Yau <superquad.vortex2@gmail.com>,
	Clemens Ladisch <clemens@ladisch.de>
Cc: ALSA Development Mailing List <alsa-devel@alsa-project.org>,
	Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@metafoo.de>,
	Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>,
	Tanu Kaskinen <tanu.kaskinen@linux.intel.com>,
	Arun Raghavan <arun@accosted.net>,
	David Henningsson <david.henningsson@canonical.com>
Subject: Re: PulseAudio and SNDRV_PCM_INFO_BATCH
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 17:10:58 +0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5587FB52.9070401@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAN8ccibQvDmdydn3QjHH==mNNizWuH+FOwRMu_BFRYGAfu9ukw@mail.gmail.com>

22.06.2015 16:54, Raymond Yau wrote:
>>>> Are all soc audio driver use cyclic dma ?
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I understand the question. All audio drivers use some
>>> kind of cyclic DMA.
>>
>> The ALSA API requires the driver to provide a cyclic sample buffer (or
>> something that behaves like one).
>>
>> However, not all hardware works this way.  USB and FireWire require the
>> driver to continually queue new packets, whose size and timing are
>> determined by the bus clock and are not directly related to the ALSA
>> ring buffer.  These drivers use double buffering; the actual DMA happens
>> from those packets, not from the ring buffer.
>>
>
> If those queued packets/urb cannot be rewind, snd_pcm_rewindable should
> return zero for those driver

Not really.

As I understand it, the kernel periodically converts a piece of the ring 
buffer (located in RAM) into an URB, and it gets sent through the USB 
bus. Parts of the buffer that are not yet converted to URB are perfectly 
rewindable.

In other words, for USB devices, the kernel already implements the 
"low-latency background thread that makes unrewindable devices 
rewindable" idea that I discussed (as a strawman proposal) here for 
userspace:

http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2014-September/080868.html

-- 
Alexander E. Patrakov

  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-22 12:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-12 12:29 PulseAudio and SNDRV_PCM_INFO_BATCH Arun Raghavan
2015-06-12 12:32 ` Arun Raghavan
2015-06-12 13:43   ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-12 13:57     ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-17  3:04     ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-17  3:38       ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-15  3:42   ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-15  8:03 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-06-15 11:39   ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-15 12:01     ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-06-15 13:34       ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-15 14:16         ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-06-16  2:33           ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-17  8:27             ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-06-17  9:19               ` Takashi Iwai
2015-06-17 15:09                 ` David Henningsson
2015-06-17 16:48                   ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-18  3:15                     ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-19 11:19                       ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-19  1:17                   ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-19 11:32                   ` Takashi Iwai
2015-06-20  3:24                     ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-20  6:17                     ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22  2:35           ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22  6:43             ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-06-22  7:49               ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22  9:41               ` Clemens Ladisch
2015-06-22 11:54                 ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22 12:10                   ` Alexander E. Patrakov [this message]
2015-06-22 12:34                     ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22 12:49                       ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-22 15:50                         ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22 16:28                           ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-24  5:51                             ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22 22:52                     ` Takashi Sakamoto
2015-06-27 15:28   ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-27 17:15     ` Clemens Ladisch
2015-06-27 17:58       ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-28  2:09         ` Raymond Yau

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