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From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Eric B Munson <emunson@akamai.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuahkh@osg.samsung.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org>,
	linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mips@linux-mips.org, linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, sparclinux@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH V5 0/7] Allow user to request memory to be locked on page fault
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 17:40:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55B650E8.9030102@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150727145409.GB21664@akamai.com>

On 07/27/2015 04:54 PM, Eric B Munson wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
>>
>>> We do actually have an MCL_LOCKED, we just call it MCL_CURRENT.  Would
>>> you prefer that I match the name in mlock2() (add MLOCK_CURRENT
>>> instead)?
>>
>> Hm it's similar but not exactly the same, because MCL_FUTURE is not
>> the same as MLOCK_ONFAULT :) So MLOCK_CURRENT would be even more
>> confusing. Especially if mlockall(MCL_CURRENT | MCL_FUTURE) is OK,
>> but mlock2(MLOCK_LOCKED | MLOCK_ONFAULT) is invalid.
>
> MLOCK_ONFAULT isn't meant to be the same as MCL_FUTURE, rather it is
> meant to be the same as MCL_ONFAULT.  MCL_FUTURE only controls if the
> locking policy will be applied to any new mappings made by this process,
> not the locking policy itself.  The better comparison is MCL_CURRENT to
> MLOCK_LOCK and MCL_ONFAULT to MLOCK_ONFAULT.  MCL_CURRENT and
> MLOCK_LOCK do the same thing, only one requires a specific range of
> addresses while the other works process wide.  This is why I suggested
> changing MLOCK_LOCK to MLOCK_CURRENT.  It is an error to call
> mlock2(MLOCK_LOCK | MLOCK_ONFAULT) just like it is an error to call
> mlockall(MCL_CURRENT | MCL_ONFAULT).  The combinations do no make sense.

How is it an error to call mlockall(MCL_CURRENT | MCL_ONFAULT)? How else 
would you apply mlock2(MCL_ONFAULT) to all current mappings? Later below 
you use the same example and I don't think it's different by removing 
MLOCK_LOCKED flag.

> This was all decided when VM_LOCKONFAULT was a separate state from
> VM_LOCKED.  Now that VM_LOCKONFAULT is a modifier to VM_LOCKED and
> cannot be specified independentally, it might make more sense to mirror
> that relationship to userspace.  Which would lead to soemthing like the
> following:
>
> To lock and populate a region:
> mlock2(start, len, 0);
>
> To lock on fault a region:
> mlock2(start, len, MLOCK_ONFAULT);
>
> If LOCKONFAULT is seen as a modifier to mlock, then having the flags
> argument as 0 mean do mlock classic makes more sense to me.

Yup that's what I was trying to suggest.

> To mlock current on fault only:
> mlockall(MCL_CURRENT | MCL_ONFAULT);
>
> To mlock future on fault only:
> mlockall(MCL_FUTURE | MCL_ONFAULT);
>
> To lock everything on fault:
> mlockall(MCL_CURRENT | MCL_FUTURE | MCL_ONFAULT);
>
> I think I have talked myself into rewriting the set again :/

Sorry :) You could also wait a bit for more input than just from me...

>>
>>> Finally, on the question of MAP_LOCKONFAULT, do you just dislike
>>> MAP_LOCKED and do not want to see it extended, or is this a NAK on the
>>> set if that patch is included.  I ask because I have to spin a V6 to get
>>> the MLOCK flag declarations right, but I would prefer not to do a V7+.
>>> If this is a NAK with, I can drop that patch and rework the tests to
>>> cover without the mmap flag.  Otherwise I want to keep it, I have an
>>> internal user that would like to see it added.
>>
>> I don't want to NAK that patch if you think it's useful.
>>
>>


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Eric B Munson <emunson@akamai.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuahkh@osg.samsung.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org>,
	linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mips@linux-mips.org, linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, sparclinux@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH V5 0/7] Allow user to request memory to be locked on page fault
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 15:40:24 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55B650E8.9030102@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150727145409.GB21664@akamai.com>

On 07/27/2015 04:54 PM, Eric B Munson wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
>>
>>> We do actually have an MCL_LOCKED, we just call it MCL_CURRENT.  Would
>>> you prefer that I match the name in mlock2() (add MLOCK_CURRENT
>>> instead)?
>>
>> Hm it's similar but not exactly the same, because MCL_FUTURE is not
>> the same as MLOCK_ONFAULT :) So MLOCK_CURRENT would be even more
>> confusing. Especially if mlockall(MCL_CURRENT | MCL_FUTURE) is OK,
>> but mlock2(MLOCK_LOCKED | MLOCK_ONFAULT) is invalid.
>
> MLOCK_ONFAULT isn't meant to be the same as MCL_FUTURE, rather it is
> meant to be the same as MCL_ONFAULT.  MCL_FUTURE only controls if the
> locking policy will be applied to any new mappings made by this process,
> not the locking policy itself.  The better comparison is MCL_CURRENT to
> MLOCK_LOCK and MCL_ONFAULT to MLOCK_ONFAULT.  MCL_CURRENT and
> MLOCK_LOCK do the same thing, only one requires a specific range of
> addresses while the other works process wide.  This is why I suggested
> changing MLOCK_LOCK to MLOCK_CURRENT.  It is an error to call
> mlock2(MLOCK_LOCK | MLOCK_ONFAULT) just like it is an error to call
> mlockall(MCL_CURRENT | MCL_ONFAULT).  The combinations do no make sense.

How is it an error to call mlockall(MCL_CURRENT | MCL_ONFAULT)? How else 
would you apply mlock2(MCL_ONFAULT) to all current mappings? Later below 
you use the same example and I don't think it's different by removing 
MLOCK_LOCKED flag.

> This was all decided when VM_LOCKONFAULT was a separate state from
> VM_LOCKED.  Now that VM_LOCKONFAULT is a modifier to VM_LOCKED and
> cannot be specified independentally, it might make more sense to mirror
> that relationship to userspace.  Which would lead to soemthing like the
> following:
>
> To lock and populate a region:
> mlock2(start, len, 0);
>
> To lock on fault a region:
> mlock2(start, len, MLOCK_ONFAULT);
>
> If LOCKONFAULT is seen as a modifier to mlock, then having the flags
> argument as 0 mean do mlock classic makes more sense to me.

Yup that's what I was trying to suggest.

> To mlock current on fault only:
> mlockall(MCL_CURRENT | MCL_ONFAULT);
>
> To mlock future on fault only:
> mlockall(MCL_FUTURE | MCL_ONFAULT);
>
> To lock everything on fault:
> mlockall(MCL_CURRENT | MCL_FUTURE | MCL_ONFAULT);
>
> I think I have talked myself into rewriting the set again :/

Sorry :) You could also wait a bit for more input than just from me...

>>
>>> Finally, on the question of MAP_LOCKONFAULT, do you just dislike
>>> MAP_LOCKED and do not want to see it extended, or is this a NAK on the
>>> set if that patch is included.  I ask because I have to spin a V6 to get
>>> the MLOCK flag declarations right, but I would prefer not to do a V7+.
>>> If this is a NAK with, I can drop that patch and rework the tests to
>>> cover without the mmap flag.  Otherwise I want to keep it, I have an
>>> internal user that would like to see it added.
>>
>> I don't want to NAK that patch if you think it's useful.
>>
>>


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Eric B Munson <emunson@akamai.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuahkh@osg.samsung.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org>,
	linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mips@linux-mips.org, linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, sparclinux@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH V5 0/7] Allow user to request memory to be locked on page fault
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 17:40:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55B650E8.9030102@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150727145409.GB21664@akamai.com>

On 07/27/2015 04:54 PM, Eric B Munson wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
>>
>>> We do actually have an MCL_LOCKED, we just call it MCL_CURRENT.  Would
>>> you prefer that I match the name in mlock2() (add MLOCK_CURRENT
>>> instead)?
>>
>> Hm it's similar but not exactly the same, because MCL_FUTURE is not
>> the same as MLOCK_ONFAULT :) So MLOCK_CURRENT would be even more
>> confusing. Especially if mlockall(MCL_CURRENT | MCL_FUTURE) is OK,
>> but mlock2(MLOCK_LOCKED | MLOCK_ONFAULT) is invalid.
>
> MLOCK_ONFAULT isn't meant to be the same as MCL_FUTURE, rather it is
> meant to be the same as MCL_ONFAULT.  MCL_FUTURE only controls if the
> locking policy will be applied to any new mappings made by this process,
> not the locking policy itself.  The better comparison is MCL_CURRENT to
> MLOCK_LOCK and MCL_ONFAULT to MLOCK_ONFAULT.  MCL_CURRENT and
> MLOCK_LOCK do the same thing, only one requires a specific range of
> addresses while the other works process wide.  This is why I suggested
> changing MLOCK_LOCK to MLOCK_CURRENT.  It is an error to call
> mlock2(MLOCK_LOCK | MLOCK_ONFAULT) just like it is an error to call
> mlockall(MCL_CURRENT | MCL_ONFAULT).  The combinations do no make sense.

How is it an error to call mlockall(MCL_CURRENT | MCL_ONFAULT)? How else 
would you apply mlock2(MCL_ONFAULT) to all current mappings? Later below 
you use the same example and I don't think it's different by removing 
MLOCK_LOCKED flag.

> This was all decided when VM_LOCKONFAULT was a separate state from
> VM_LOCKED.  Now that VM_LOCKONFAULT is a modifier to VM_LOCKED and
> cannot be specified independentally, it might make more sense to mirror
> that relationship to userspace.  Which would lead to soemthing like the
> following:
>
> To lock and populate a region:
> mlock2(start, len, 0);
>
> To lock on fault a region:
> mlock2(start, len, MLOCK_ONFAULT);
>
> If LOCKONFAULT is seen as a modifier to mlock, then having the flags
> argument as 0 mean do mlock classic makes more sense to me.

Yup that's what I was trying to suggest.

> To mlock current on fault only:
> mlockall(MCL_CURRENT | MCL_ONFAULT);
>
> To mlock future on fault only:
> mlockall(MCL_FUTURE | MCL_ONFAULT);
>
> To lock everything on fault:
> mlockall(MCL_CURRENT | MCL_FUTURE | MCL_ONFAULT);
>
> I think I have talked myself into rewriting the set again :/

Sorry :) You could also wait a bit for more input than just from me...

>>
>>> Finally, on the question of MAP_LOCKONFAULT, do you just dislike
>>> MAP_LOCKED and do not want to see it extended, or is this a NAK on the
>>> set if that patch is included.  I ask because I have to spin a V6 to get
>>> the MLOCK flag declarations right, but I would prefer not to do a V7+.
>>> If this is a NAK with, I can drop that patch and rework the tests to
>>> cover without the mmap flag.  Otherwise I want to keep it, I have an
>>> internal user that would like to see it added.
>>
>> I don't want to NAK that patch if you think it's useful.
>>
>>

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Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-24 21:28 [PATCH V5 0/7] Allow user to request memory to be locked on page fault Eric B Munson
2015-07-24 21:28 ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-24 21:28 ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-24 21:28 ` [PATCH V5 1/7] mm: mlock: Refactor mlock, munlock, and munlockall code Eric B Munson
2015-07-24 21:28   ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-27  6:31   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-27  6:31     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-24 21:28 ` [PATCH V5 2/7] mm: mlock: Add new mlock system call Eric B Munson
2015-07-24 21:28 ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-24 21:28   ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-24 21:28   ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-24 21:28   ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-24 21:28   ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-27  6:43   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-27  6:43     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-27  6:43     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-27  6:43     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-27  6:43     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-27  6:43   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-24 21:28 ` [PATCH V5 3/7] mm: Introduce VM_LOCKONFAULT Eric B Munson
2015-07-24 21:28   ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-27  7:02   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-27  7:02     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-27  7:02     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-24 21:28 ` [PATCH V5 4/7] mm: mlock: Add mlock flags to enable VM_LOCKONFAULT usage Eric B Munson
2015-07-24 21:28   ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-24 21:28   ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-27  7:15   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-27  7:15     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-27  7:15     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-24 21:28 ` [PATCH V5 5/7] mm: mmap: Add mmap flag to request VM_LOCKONFAULT Eric B Munson
2015-07-24 21:28   ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-24 21:28   ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-27  7:31   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-27  7:31     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-27  7:31     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-27 13:41     ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-27 13:41       ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-27 14:03       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-27 14:03         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-27 14:03         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-27 14:11         ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-27 14:11           ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-24 21:28 ` [PATCH V5 6/7] selftests: vm: Add tests for lock on fault Eric B Munson
2015-07-24 21:28   ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-24 21:28 ` [PATCH V5 7/7] mips: Add entry for new mlock2 syscall Eric B Munson
2015-07-24 21:28   ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-27  9:08 ` [PATCH V5 0/7] Allow user to request memory to be locked on page fault Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-27  9:08   ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-27  9:08   ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-27 13:35   ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-27 13:35     ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-27 14:16     ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-27 14:16       ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-27 14:16       ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-27 14:54       ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-27 14:54         ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-27 15:40         ` Vlastimil Babka [this message]
2015-07-27 15:40           ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-27 15:40           ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-28 11:17         ` Michal Hocko
2015-07-28 11:17           ` Michal Hocko
2015-07-28 11:17           ` Michal Hocko
2015-07-28 11:23           ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-28 11:23             ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-28 11:23             ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-28 13:49           ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-28 13:49             ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-28 15:10             ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-28 15:10               ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-28 15:10               ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-28 18:06               ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-28 18:06                 ` Eric B Munson
2015-07-29 10:45             ` Michal Hocko
2015-07-29 10:45               ` Michal Hocko
2015-07-29 10:45               ` Michal Hocko
2015-07-29 10:49               ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-29 10:49                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-29 10:49                 ` Vlastimil Babka

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