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From: Raymond Jennings <shentino@gmail.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Kyle Walker <kwalker@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov@parallels.com>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Stanislav Kozina <skozina@redhat.com>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Subject: Re: can't oom-kill zap the victim's memory?
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 11:23:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55FEF9B4.7030806@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyajHq2W9HhJWbLASFkTx_kLSHtHuY6mDHKxmoW-LnVEw@mail.gmail.com>

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On 09/20/15 11:05, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 5:56 AM, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
>> In this case the workqueue thread will block.
> What workqueue thread?
>
>     pagefault_out_of_memory ->
>        out_of_memory ->
>           oom_kill_process
>
> as far as I can tell, this can be called by any task. Now, that
> pagefault case should only happen when the page fault comes from user
> space, but we also have
>
>     __alloc_pages_slowpath ->
>        __alloc_pages_may_oom ->
>           out_of_memory ->
>              oom_kill_process
>
> which can be called from just about any context (but atomic
> allocations will never get here, so it can schedule etc).
>
> So what's your point? Explain again just how do you guarantee that you
> can take the mmap_sem.
>
>                         Linus
>
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Would it be a cleaner design in general to require all threads to 
completely exit kernel space before being terminated?  Possibly 
expedited by noticing fatal signals and riding the EINTR rocket back up 
the stack?

My two cents:  If we do that we won't have to worry about fatally 
wounded tasks slipping into a coma before they cough up any semaphores 
or locks.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-09-20 18:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 213+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-17 17:59 [PATCH] mm/oom_kill.c: don't kill TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE tasks Kyle Walker
2015-09-17 17:59 ` Kyle Walker
2015-09-17 19:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-17 19:22   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-18 15:41   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-09-18 15:41     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-09-18 16:24     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-18 16:24       ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-18 16:39       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-18 16:39         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-18 16:54         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-18 16:54           ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-18 17:00       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-09-18 17:00         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-09-18 19:07         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-18 19:07           ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-18 19:19           ` Christoph Lameter
2015-09-18 19:19             ` Christoph Lameter
2015-09-18 21:28             ` Kyle Walker
2015-09-18 22:07               ` Christoph Lameter
2015-09-18 22:07                 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-09-19  8:32         ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-19  8:32           ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-19 14:33           ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-19 14:33             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-19 15:51             ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-19 15:51               ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-21 23:33             ` David Rientjes
2015-09-21 23:33               ` David Rientjes
2015-09-22  5:33               ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-22  5:33                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-22 23:32                 ` David Rientjes
2015-09-22 23:32                   ` David Rientjes
2015-09-23 12:03                   ` Kyle Walker
2015-09-23 12:03                     ` Kyle Walker
2015-09-24 11:50                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-24 11:50                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-19 14:44           ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-19 14:44             ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-21 23:27         ` David Rientjes
2015-09-21 23:27           ` David Rientjes
2015-09-19  8:25     ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-19  8:25       ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-19  8:22 ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-19  8:22   ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-21 23:08   ` David Rientjes
2015-09-21 23:08     ` David Rientjes
2015-09-19 15:03 ` can't oom-kill zap the victim's memory? Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-19 15:03   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-19 15:10   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-19 15:10     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-19 15:58   ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-19 15:58     ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-20 13:16     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-20 13:16       ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-19 22:24   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-19 22:24     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-19 22:54     ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-19 23:00     ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-19 23:00       ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-19 23:13       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-19 23:13         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-20  9:33     ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-20  9:33       ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-20 13:06       ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-20 13:06         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-20 12:56     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-20 12:56       ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-20 18:05       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-20 18:05         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-20 18:21         ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-20 18:23         ` Raymond Jennings [this message]
2015-09-20 19:07         ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-20 19:07           ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-21 13:57           ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-21 13:57             ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-21 13:44         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-21 13:44           ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-21 14:24           ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-21 14:24             ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-21 15:32             ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-21 15:32               ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-21 16:12               ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-21 16:12                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-22 16:06                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-22 16:06                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-22 23:04                   ` David Rientjes
2015-09-22 23:04                     ` David Rientjes
2015-09-23 20:59                   ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-23 20:59                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-24 21:15                     ` David Rientjes
2015-09-24 21:15                       ` David Rientjes
2015-09-25  9:35                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-25  9:35                         ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-25 16:14                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-25 16:14                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-28 16:18                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-28 16:18                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-28 22:28                             ` David Rientjes
2015-09-28 22:28                               ` David Rientjes
2015-10-02 12:36                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-02 12:36                               ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-02 19:01                               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-02 19:01                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-05 14:44                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-05 14:44                                   ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-07  5:16                                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-10-07  5:16                                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-10-07 10:43                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-07 10:43                                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-08  9:40                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-10-08  9:40                                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-10-06  7:55                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-06  7:55                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-06  8:49                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-06  8:49                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-06  8:55                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-06  8:55                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-06 14:52                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-06 14:52                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-03  6:02                               ` Can't we use timeout based OOM warning/killing? Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-03  6:02                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-06 14:51                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-06 14:51                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-12  6:43                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-12  6:43                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-12 15:25                                     ` Silent hang up caused by pages being not scanned? Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-12 15:25                                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-12 21:23                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-12 21:23                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-13 12:21                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-13 12:21                                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-13 16:37                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-13 16:37                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-14 12:21                                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-14 12:21                                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-15 13:14                                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-15 13:14                                               ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-16 15:57                                               ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-16 15:57                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-16 18:34                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-16 18:34                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-16 18:49                                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-16 18:49                                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-19 12:57                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-19 12:57                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-19 12:53                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-19 12:53                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-13 13:32                                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-13 13:32                                         ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-13 16:19                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-13 16:19                                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-14 13:22                                           ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-14 13:22                                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-14 14:38                                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-14 14:38                                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-14 14:59                                               ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-14 14:59                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-14 15:06                                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-14 15:06                                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-26 11:44                                     ` Newbie's question: memory allocation when reclaiming memory Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-26 11:44                                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-11-05  8:46                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-11-05  8:46                                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-10-06 15:25                                 ` Can't we use timeout based OOM warning/killing? Linus Torvalds
2015-10-08 15:33                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-08 15:33                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-10 12:50                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-10 12:50                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-28 22:24                         ` can't oom-kill zap the victim's memory? David Rientjes
2015-09-28 22:24                           ` David Rientjes
2015-09-29  7:57                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-29  7:57                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-29 22:56                             ` David Rientjes
2015-09-29 22:56                               ` David Rientjes
2015-09-30  4:25                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-30  4:25                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-30 10:21                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-30 10:21                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-30 21:11                                 ` David Rientjes
2015-09-30 21:11                                   ` David Rientjes
2015-10-01 12:13                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-01 12:13                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-01 14:48                           ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-01 14:48                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-02 13:06                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-02 13:06                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-06 18:45                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-10-06 18:45                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-10-07 11:03                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-07 11:03                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-07 12:00                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-10-07 12:00                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-10-08 14:04                           ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-08 14:04                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-08 14:01                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-08 14:01                         ` Michal Hocko
2015-09-21 16:51               ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-21 16:51                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-22 12:43                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-22 12:43                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-22 14:30                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-22 14:30                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-22 14:45                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-22 14:45                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-21 23:42               ` David Rientjes
2015-09-21 23:42                 ` David Rientjes
2015-09-21 16:55           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-21 16:55             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-20 14:50   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-20 14:50     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-09-20 14:55     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-20 14:55       ` Oleg Nesterov

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