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From: Dmitry Osipenko <digetx@gmail.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	robh+dt@kernel.org, mark.rutland@arm.com
Cc: Sowjanya Komatineni <skomatineni@nvidia.com>,
	thierry.reding@gmail.com, jonathanh@nvidia.com,
	mperttunen@nvidia.com, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	sboyd@kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de, allison@lohutok.net,
	pdeschrijver@nvidia.com, pgaikwad@nvidia.com,
	mturquette@baylibre.com, horms+renesas@verge.net.au,
	Jisheng.Zhang@synaptics.com, krzk@kernel.org, arnd@arndb.de,
	spujar@nvidia.com, josephl@nvidia.com, vidyas@nvidia.com,
	daniel.lezcano@linaro.org, mmaddireddy@nvidia.com,
	markz@nvidia.com, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-clk@vger.kernel.org, linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, lgirdwood@gmail.com,
	perex@perex.cz, tiwai@suse.com, alexios.zavras@intel.com,
	alsa-devel@alsa-project.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 09/15] ASoC: tegra: Add fallback for audio mclk
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 21:24:43 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <560185d9-32fd-a85e-5feb-105f79b953c6@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191209204735.GK5483@sirena.org.uk>

09.12.2019 23:47, Mark Brown пишет:
> On Mon, Dec 09, 2019 at 11:31:59PM +0300, Dmitry Osipenko wrote:
>> 09.12.2019 19:40, Mark Brown пишет:
> 
>>> Why would this need to be a stable fix?  Presumably people with stable
>>> kernels are using the old device tree anyway?
> 
>> At least Rob Herring is asking to maintain backwards compatibility
>> because some ditros are using newer device-trees with stable kernels.
> 
> You're talking about forwards compatibility not backwards here.  Are
> those distros actually using LTS kernels?

I think openSUSE Leap could be one of those distros that use LTS kernel
with newer device-trees, but that's not 100%. Maybe Rob could help
clarifying that.

>> I'm personally also tending to use the newer DTB with older kernel
>> version whenever there is a need to check something using stable kernel.
>> Perhaps losing sound is not very important, but will be nicer if that
>> doesn't happen.
> 
> That really does sound like a "you broke it, you get all the pieces"
> situation TBH...  I'd be a lot more comfortable if the stable kernels
> were sticking to bugfix only though I do appreciate that they're not
> really that any more.

In some cases it could be painful to maintain device-tree compatibility
for platforms like NVIDIA Tegra SoCs because hardware wasn't modeled
correctly from the start.

I agree that people should use relevant device-trees. It's quite a lot
of hassle to care about compatibility for platforms that are permanently
in a development state. It could be more reasonable to go through the
pain if kernel required a full-featured device tree for every SoC from
the start.

But maybe Tegra / device-tree maintainers have a different opinion.
IIUC, device-trees are meant to be stable and software-agnostic, at
least that was the case not so long time ago and I don't think that this
premise changed.

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From: Dmitry Osipenko <digetx@gmail.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	robh+dt@kernel.org, mark.rutland@arm.com
Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, pgaikwad@nvidia.com,
	lgirdwood@gmail.com, spujar@nvidia.com, mperttunen@nvidia.com,
	thierry.reding@gmail.com, josephl@nvidia.com,
	linux-clk@vger.kernel.org, mmaddireddy@nvidia.com,
	daniel.lezcano@linaro.org, krzk@kernel.org, jonathanh@nvidia.com,
	mturquette@baylibre.com, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	arnd@arndb.de, markz@nvidia.com, alexios.zavras@intel.com,
	tiwai@suse.com, linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org,
	horms+renesas@verge.net.au, tglx@linutronix.de,
	allison@lohutok.net, sboyd@kernel.org,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, pdeschrijver@nvidia.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, vidyas@nvidia.com,
	Jisheng.Zhang@synaptics.com,
	Sowjanya Komatineni <skomatineni@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] [PATCH v3 09/15] ASoC: tegra: Add fallback for audio mclk
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 21:24:43 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <560185d9-32fd-a85e-5feb-105f79b953c6@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191209204735.GK5483@sirena.org.uk>

09.12.2019 23:47, Mark Brown пишет:
> On Mon, Dec 09, 2019 at 11:31:59PM +0300, Dmitry Osipenko wrote:
>> 09.12.2019 19:40, Mark Brown пишет:
> 
>>> Why would this need to be a stable fix?  Presumably people with stable
>>> kernels are using the old device tree anyway?
> 
>> At least Rob Herring is asking to maintain backwards compatibility
>> because some ditros are using newer device-trees with stable kernels.
> 
> You're talking about forwards compatibility not backwards here.  Are
> those distros actually using LTS kernels?

I think openSUSE Leap could be one of those distros that use LTS kernel
with newer device-trees, but that's not 100%. Maybe Rob could help
clarifying that.

>> I'm personally also tending to use the newer DTB with older kernel
>> version whenever there is a need to check something using stable kernel.
>> Perhaps losing sound is not very important, but will be nicer if that
>> doesn't happen.
> 
> That really does sound like a "you broke it, you get all the pieces"
> situation TBH...  I'd be a lot more comfortable if the stable kernels
> were sticking to bugfix only though I do appreciate that they're not
> really that any more.

In some cases it could be painful to maintain device-tree compatibility
for platforms like NVIDIA Tegra SoCs because hardware wasn't modeled
correctly from the start.

I agree that people should use relevant device-trees. It's quite a lot
of hassle to care about compatibility for platforms that are permanently
in a development state. It could be more reasonable to go through the
pain if kernel required a full-featured device tree for every SoC from
the start.

But maybe Tegra / device-tree maintainers have a different opinion.
IIUC, device-trees are meant to be stable and software-agnostic, at
least that was the case not so long time ago and I don't think that this
premise changed.
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Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-06  2:48 [PATCH v3 00/15] Move PMC clocks into Tegra PMC driver Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48 ` [alsa-devel] " Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48 ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48 ` [PATCH v3 01/15] dt-bindings: soc: tegra-pmc: Add Tegra PMC clock bindings Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` [alsa-devel] " Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06 18:58   ` Michał Mirosław
2019-12-06 18:58     ` [alsa-devel] " Michał Mirosław
2019-12-06  2:48 ` [PATCH v3 02/15] dt-bindings: tegra: Convert Tegra PMC bindings to YAML Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` [alsa-devel] " Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48 ` [PATCH v3 03/15] soc: tegra: Add Tegra PMC clock registrations into PMC driver Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` [alsa-devel] " Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-07 14:28   ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-07 14:28     ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-07 15:47     ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-07 15:47       ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-07 15:53       ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-07 15:53         ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-07 16:00         ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-07 16:00           ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-07 19:59           ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-07 19:59             ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-07 21:36             ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-07 21:36               ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-09 20:12               ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-09 20:12                 ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-09 20:46                 ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-09 20:46                   ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-09 23:03                   ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-09 23:03                     ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-10 16:53                     ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-10 16:53                       ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-10 17:41                       ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-10 17:41                         ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-11  1:06                         ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-11  1:06                           ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-11 18:50                           ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-11 18:50                             ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-12  1:39                             ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-12  1:39                               ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-12  3:45                               ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-12  3:45                                 ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-12  3:54                                 ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-12  3:54                                   ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-12 22:13                                   ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-12 22:13                                     ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-11 15:10                         ` Peter De Schrijver
2019-12-11 15:10                           ` [alsa-devel] " Peter De Schrijver
2019-12-11 15:10                           ` Peter De Schrijver
2019-12-12  1:43                           ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-12  1:43                             ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-16 12:20                             ` Peter De Schrijver
2019-12-16 12:20                               ` [alsa-devel] " Peter De Schrijver
2019-12-16 12:20                               ` Peter De Schrijver
2019-12-16 14:23                               ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-16 14:23                                 ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-16 15:11                                 ` Peter De Schrijver
2019-12-16 15:11                                   ` [alsa-devel] " Peter De Schrijver
2019-12-16 15:11                                   ` Peter De Schrijver
2019-12-16 15:24                                   ` Peter De Schrijver
2019-12-16 15:24                                     ` [alsa-devel] " Peter De Schrijver
2019-12-16 15:24                                     ` Peter De Schrijver
2019-12-16 15:49                                     ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-16 15:49                                       ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-10 17:41                   ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-10 17:41                     ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
     [not found]                     ` <22a2f8bd-561d-f4c6-4eef-bb61095c53b2@nvidia.com>
2019-12-10 18:30                       ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-10 18:30                         ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-10 19:18                         ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-10 19:18                           ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-10 20:31                           ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-10 20:31                             ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-06  2:48 ` [PATCH v3 04/15] dt-bindings: soc: tegra-pmc: Add id for Tegra PMC blink control Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` [alsa-devel] " Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48 ` [PATCH v3 05/15] soc: pmc: Add blink output clock registration to Tegra PMC Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` [alsa-devel] " Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48 ` [PATCH v3 06/15] clk: tegra: Remove tegra_pmc_clk_init along with clk ids Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` [alsa-devel] " Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-07 14:33   ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-07 14:33     ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-07 14:43     ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-07 14:43       ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-07 15:04       ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-07 15:04         ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-07 19:35         ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-07 19:35           ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-07 23:24           ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-07 23:24             ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-06  2:48 ` [PATCH v3 07/15] dt-bindings: clock: tegra: Remove pmc clock ids from clock dt-bindings Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` [alsa-devel] " Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48 ` [PATCH v3 08/15] ASoC: tegra: Add audio mclk control through clk_out_1 and extern1 Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` [alsa-devel] " Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-07 14:58   ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-07 14:58     ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-07 19:20     ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-07 19:20       ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-09 20:06       ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-09 20:06         ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-09 23:05         ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-09 23:05           ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-09 23:12           ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-09 23:12             ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-10  0:54             ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-10  0:54               ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-17  1:29       ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-17  1:29         ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-17 15:36         ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-17 15:36           ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-17 16:12           ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-17 16:12             ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-17 16:16             ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-17 16:16               ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-17 16:39               ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-17 16:39                 ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-17 16:46                 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-17 16:46                   ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-06  2:48 ` [PATCH v3 09/15] ASoC: tegra: Add fallback for audio mclk Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` [alsa-devel] " Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06 17:49   ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06 17:49     ` [alsa-devel] " Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06 17:49     ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06 17:56     ` Greg KH
2019-12-06 17:56       ` [alsa-devel] " Greg KH
2019-12-09 16:40   ` Mark Brown
2019-12-09 16:40     ` [alsa-devel] " Mark Brown
2019-12-09 20:31     ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-09 20:31       ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-09 20:47       ` Mark Brown
2019-12-09 20:47         ` [alsa-devel] " Mark Brown
2019-12-10 18:24         ` Dmitry Osipenko [this message]
2019-12-10 18:24           ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-10 18:59           ` Mark Brown
2019-12-10 18:59             ` [alsa-devel] " Mark Brown
2019-12-12  2:17             ` Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-12  2:17               ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-06  2:48 ` [PATCH v3 10/15] clk: tegra: Remove extern1 and cdev1 from clocks inittable Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` [alsa-devel] " Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48 ` [PATCH v3 11/15] ARM: dts: tegra: Add clock-cells property to pmc Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` [alsa-devel] " Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  2:48   ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-07 14:26 ` [PATCH v3 00/15] Move PMC clocks into Tegra PMC driver Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-07 14:26   ` [alsa-devel] " Dmitry Osipenko
2019-12-07 19:22   ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-07 19:22     ` Sowjanya Komatineni
     [not found] <1575600438-26795-1-git-send-email-skomatineni@nvidia.com>
2019-12-06  2:47 ` [PATCH v3 09/15] ASoC: tegra: Add fallback for audio mclk Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06  7:09   ` Greg KH
2019-12-06 16:19     ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06 16:29       ` Greg KH
2019-12-06 17:11         ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06 17:15           ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2019-12-06 17:55             ` Greg KH

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