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From: Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>
To: Richard Biener <rguenther@suse.de>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"gcc@gcc.gnu.org" <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>, Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@socionext.com>,
	Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	Alok Kataria <akataria@vmware.com>,
	Christopher Li <sparse@chrisli.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Kate Stewart <kstewart@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"linux-sparse@vger.kernel.org" <linux-sparse@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Philippe Ombredanne <pombredanne@nexb.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org" 
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Chris Zankel <chris@zankel.net>,
	Max Filippov <jcmvbkbc@gmail.com>,
	"linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org" <linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org>
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Extend inline asm syntax with size spec
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 19:06:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56EB8A07-8D24-40F1-8CCE-614D7B712519@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <FC56B15B-0D4A-4A4A-81DA-A5093B56A210@suse.de>

at 9:46 AM, Richard Biener <rguenther@suse.de> wrote:

> On October 7, 2018 6:09:30 PM GMT+02:00, Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com> wrote:
>> at 2:18 AM, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi people,
>>> 
>>> this is an attempt to see whether gcc's inline asm heuristic when
>>> estimating inline asm statements' cost for better inlining can be
>>> improved.
>>> 
>>> AFAIU, the problematic arises when one ends up using a lot of inline
>>> asm statements in the kernel but due to the inline asm cost
>> estimation
>>> heuristic which counts lines, I think, for example like in this here
>>> macro:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgit.kernel.org%2Fpub%2Fscm%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Ftorvalds%2Flinux.git%2Ftree%2Farch%2Fx86%2Finclude%2Fasm%2Fcpufeature.h%23n162&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cnamit%40vmware.com%7C860403cecb874db64b7e08d62c746f46%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C1%7C0%7C636745275975505381&amp;sdata=Nd0636K9Z1IsUs1RWSRAhVuVboLxlBCB4peiAMfmQzQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>> the resulting code ends up not inlining the functions themselves
>> which
>>> use this macro. I.e., you see a CALL <function> instead of its body
>>> getting inlined directly.
>>> 
>>> Even though it should be because the actual instructions are only a
>>> couple in most cases and all those other directives end up in another
>>> section anyway.
>>> 
>>> The issue is explained below in the forwarded mail in a larger detail
>>> too.
>>> 
>>> Now, Richard suggested doing something like:
>>> 
>>> 1) inline asm ("...")
>>> 2) asm ("..." : : : : <size-expr>)
>>> 3) asm ("...") __attribute__((asm_size(<size-expr>)));
>>> 
>>> with which user can tell gcc what the size of that inline asm
>> statement
>>> is and thus allow for more precise cost estimation and in the end
>> better
>>> inlining.
>>> 
>>> And FWIW 3) looks pretty straight-forward to me because attributes
>> are
>>> pretty common anyways.
>>> 
>>> But I'm sure there are other options and I'm sure people will have
>>> better/different ideas so feel free to chime in.
>> 
>> Thanks for taking care of it. I would like to mention a second issue,
>> since
>> you may want to resolve both with a single solution: not inlining
>> conditional __builtin_constant_p(), in which there are two code-paths -
>> one
>> for constants and one for variables.
>> 
>> Consider for example the Linux kernel ilog2 macro, which has a
>> condition
>> based on __builtin_constant_p() (
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Felixir.bootlin.com%2Flinux%2Fv4.19-rc7%2Fsource%2Finclude%2Flinux%2Flog2.h%23L160&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cnamit%40vmware.com%7C860403cecb874db64b7e08d62c746f46%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C1%7C0%7C636745275975515386&amp;sdata=Hk39Za9%2FxcFyK0sGENB24d6QySjsDGzF%2FwqjnUEMiGk%3D&amp;reserved=0
>> ). The compiler mistakenly considers the “heavy” code-path that is
>> supposed
>> to be evaluated only in compilation time to evaluate the code size.
> 
> But this is a misconception about __builtin_constant_p. It doesn't guard sth like 'constexpr' regions. If you try to use it with those semantics you'll fail (appearantly you do). 
> 
> Of course IPA CP code size estimates when seeing a constant fed to bcp might be not optimal, that's another issue of course. 

I understand that this is might not be the right way to implement macros
such as ilog2() and test_bit(), but this code is around for some time.

I thought of using __builtin_choose_expr() instead of ternary operator, but
this introduces a different problem, as the variable version is used instead
of the constant one in many cases. From my brief experiments with llvm, it
appears that llvm does not have both of these issues (wrong cost attributed
to inline asm and conditions based on __builtin_constant_p()).

So what alternative do you propose to implement ilog2() like behavior? I was
digging through the gcc code to find a workaround with no success.

Thanks,
Nadav


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>
To: Richard Biener <rguenther@suse.de>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"gcc@gcc.gnu.org" <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>, Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@socionext.com>,
	Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	Alok Kataria <akataria@vmware.com>,
	Christopher Li <sparse@chrisli.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Kate Stewart <kstewart@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"linux-sparse@vger.kernel.org" <linux-sparse@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Philippe Ombredanne <pombredanne@nexb.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	virtualization@lists.li
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Extend inline asm syntax with size spec
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 19:06:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56EB8A07-8D24-40F1-8CCE-614D7B712519@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <FC56B15B-0D4A-4A4A-81DA-A5093B56A210@suse.de>

at 9:46 AM, Richard Biener <rguenther@suse.de> wrote:

> On October 7, 2018 6:09:30 PM GMT+02:00, Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com> wrote:
>> at 2:18 AM, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi people,
>>> 
>>> this is an attempt to see whether gcc's inline asm heuristic when
>>> estimating inline asm statements' cost for better inlining can be
>>> improved.
>>> 
>>> AFAIU, the problematic arises when one ends up using a lot of inline
>>> asm statements in the kernel but due to the inline asm cost
>> estimation
>>> heuristic which counts lines, I think, for example like in this here
>>> macro:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgit.kernel.org%2Fpub%2Fscm%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Ftorvalds%2Flinux.git%2Ftree%2Farch%2Fx86%2Finclude%2Fasm%2Fcpufeature.h%23n162&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cnamit%40vmware.com%7C860403cecb874db64b7e08d62c746f46%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C1%7C0%7C636745275975505381&amp;sdata=Nd0636K9Z1IsUs1RWSRAhVuVboLxlBCB4peiAMfmQzQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>> the resulting code ends up not inlining the functions themselves
>> which
>>> use this macro. I.e., you see a CALL <function> instead of its body
>>> getting inlined directly.
>>> 
>>> Even though it should be because the actual instructions are only a
>>> couple in most cases and all those other directives end up in another
>>> section anyway.
>>> 
>>> The issue is explained below in the forwarded mail in a larger detail
>>> too.
>>> 
>>> Now, Richard suggested doing something like:
>>> 
>>> 1) inline asm ("...")
>>> 2) asm ("..." : : : : <size-expr>)
>>> 3) asm ("...") __attribute__((asm_size(<size-expr>)));
>>> 
>>> with which user can tell gcc what the size of that inline asm
>> statement
>>> is and thus allow for more precise cost estimation and in the end
>> better
>>> inlining.
>>> 
>>> And FWIW 3) looks pretty straight-forward to me because attributes
>> are
>>> pretty common anyways.
>>> 
>>> But I'm sure there are other options and I'm sure people will have
>>> better/different ideas so feel free to chime in.
>> 
>> Thanks for taking care of it. I would like to mention a second issue,
>> since
>> you may want to resolve both with a single solution: not inlining
>> conditional __builtin_constant_p(), in which there are two code-paths -
>> one
>> for constants and one for variables.
>> 
>> Consider for example the Linux kernel ilog2 macro, which has a
>> condition
>> based on __builtin_constant_p() (
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Felixir.bootlin.com%2Flinux%2Fv4.19-rc7%2Fsource%2Finclude%2Flinux%2Flog2.h%23L160&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cnamit%40vmware.com%7C860403cecb874db64b7e08d62c746f46%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C1%7C0%7C636745275975515386&amp;sdata=Hk39Za9%2FxcFyK0sGENB24d6QySjsDGzF%2FwqjnUEMiGk%3D&amp;reserved=0
>> ). The compiler mistakenly considers the “heavy” code-path that is
>> supposed
>> to be evaluated only in compilation time to evaluate the code size.
> 
> But this is a misconception about __builtin_constant_p. It doesn't guard sth like 'constexpr' regions. If you try to use it with those semantics you'll fail (appearantly you do). 
> 
> Of course IPA CP code size estimates when seeing a constant fed to bcp might be not optimal, that's another issue of course. 

I understand that this is might not be the right way to implement macros
such as ilog2() and test_bit(), but this code is around for some time.

I thought of using __builtin_choose_expr() instead of ternary operator, but
this introduces a different problem, as the variable version is used instead
of the constant one in many cases. From my brief experiments with llvm, it
appears that llvm does not have both of these issues (wrong cost attributed
to inline asm and conditions based on __builtin_constant_p()).

So what alternative do you propose to implement ilog2() like behavior? I was
digging through the gcc code to find a workaround with no success.

Thanks,
Nadav


  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-07 19:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 186+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-03 21:30 [PATCH v9 00/10] x86: macrofying inline asm Nadav Amit
2018-10-03 21:30 ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-03 21:30 ` [PATCH v9 01/10] xtensa: defining LINKER_SCRIPT for the linker script Nadav Amit
2018-10-04 10:00   ` [tip:x86/build] kbuild/arch/xtensa: Define " tip-bot for Nadav Amit
2018-10-03 21:30 ` [PATCH v9 02/10] Makefile: Prepare for using macros for inline asm Nadav Amit
2018-10-03 21:30   ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-04 10:01   ` [tip:x86/build] kbuild/Makefile: Prepare for using macros in inline assembly code to work around asm() related GCC inlining bugs tip-bot for Nadav Amit
2018-11-06 18:57   ` [PATCH v9 02/10] Makefile: Prepare for using macros for inline asm Logan Gunthorpe
2018-11-06 19:18     ` Nadav Amit
2018-11-06 20:01       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-11-07 18:01         ` Nadav Amit
2018-11-07 18:53           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-11-07 18:56             ` Nadav Amit
2018-11-07 21:43               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-11-07 21:50                 ` hpa
2018-11-08  6:18                   ` Nadav Amit
2018-11-08 17:14                     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-11-08 19:54                       ` Nadav Amit
2018-11-08 20:00                         ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-11-08 20:18                           ` Nadav Amit
2018-11-10 22:04                             ` Nadav Amit
2018-11-13  4:56                               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-10-03 21:30 ` [PATCH v9 03/10] x86: objtool: use asm macro for better compiler decisions Nadav Amit
2018-10-03 21:30   ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-04 10:02   ` [tip:x86/build] x86/objtool: Use asm macros to work around GCC inlining bugs tip-bot for Nadav Amit
2018-10-03 21:30 ` [PATCH v9 04/10] x86: refcount: prevent gcc distortions Nadav Amit
2018-10-04  7:57   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-10-04  8:33     ` Ingo Molnar
2018-10-04  8:40       ` hpa
2018-10-04  8:56         ` Ingo Molnar
2018-10-04  8:56         ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-04  9:02           ` hpa
2018-10-04  9:16             ` Ingo Molnar
2018-10-04 19:33               ` H. Peter Anvin
2018-10-04 20:05                 ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-04 20:08                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2018-10-04 20:29                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-04 23:11                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2018-10-06  1:40                 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2018-10-04  9:12           ` Ingo Molnar
2018-10-04  9:17             ` hpa
2018-10-04  9:30             ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-04  9:45               ` Ingo Molnar
2018-10-04 10:23                 ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-05  9:31                   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-10-05 11:20                     ` Borislav Petkov
2018-10-05 12:52                       ` Ingo Molnar
2018-10-05 20:27                     ` [PATCH 0/3] Macrofying inline asm rebased Nadav Amit
2018-10-05 20:27                       ` [PATCH 1/3] x86/extable: Macrofy inline assembly code to work around GCC inlining bugs Nadav Amit
2018-10-06 14:42                         ` [tip:x86/build] " tip-bot for Nadav Amit
2018-10-05 20:27                       ` [PATCH 2/3] x86/cpufeature: " Nadav Amit
2018-10-06 14:43                         ` [tip:x86/build] " tip-bot for Nadav Amit
2018-10-05 20:27                       ` [PATCH 3/3] x86/jump-labels: " Nadav Amit
2018-10-06 14:44                         ` [tip:x86/build] " tip-bot for Nadav Amit
2018-10-08  2:17                     ` [PATCH v9 04/10] x86: refcount: prevent gcc distortions Nadav Amit
2018-10-04  8:40     ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-04  9:01       ` Ingo Molnar
2018-10-04 10:02   ` [tip:x86/build] x86/refcount: Work around GCC inlining bug tip-bot for Nadav Amit
2018-10-03 21:30 ` [PATCH v9 05/10] x86: alternatives: macrofy locks for better inlining Nadav Amit
2018-10-04 10:03   ` [tip:x86/build] x86/alternatives: Macrofy lock prefixes to work around GCC inlining bugs tip-bot for Nadav Amit
2018-10-03 21:30 ` [PATCH v9 06/10] x86: bug: prevent gcc distortions Nadav Amit
2018-10-04 10:03   ` [tip:x86/build] x86/bug: Macrofy the BUG table section handling, to work around GCC inlining bugs tip-bot for Nadav Amit
2018-10-03 21:30 ` [PATCH v9 07/10] x86: prevent inline distortion by paravirt ops Nadav Amit
2018-10-04 10:04   ` [tip:x86/build] x86/paravirt: Work around GCC inlining bugs when compiling " tip-bot for Nadav Amit
2018-10-03 21:30 ` [PATCH v9 08/10] x86: extable: use macros instead of inline assembly Nadav Amit
2018-10-03 21:30 ` [PATCH v9 09/10] x86: cpufeature: " Nadav Amit
2018-10-03 21:31 ` [PATCH v9 10/10] x86: jump-labels: " Nadav Amit
2018-10-07  9:18 ` PROPOSAL: Extend inline asm syntax with size spec Borislav Petkov
2018-10-07  9:18 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-10-07  9:18   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-10-07 13:22   ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-07 14:13     ` Borislav Petkov
2018-10-07 14:13       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-10-07 15:14       ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-07 15:14         ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-08  5:58         ` Ingo Molnar
2018-10-08  5:58         ` Ingo Molnar
2018-10-08  5:58           ` Ingo Molnar
2018-10-08  7:53           ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-08  7:53             ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-07 14:13     ` Borislav Petkov
2018-10-07 15:53     ` Michael Matz
2018-10-07 15:53       ` Michael Matz
2018-10-08  6:13       ` Ingo Molnar
2018-10-08  6:13         ` Ingo Molnar
2018-10-08  8:18         ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-08  8:18           ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-08  7:31       ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-08  7:31         ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-08  9:07         ` Richard Biener
2018-10-08  9:07           ` Richard Biener
2018-10-08 10:02           ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-08 10:02             ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-09 14:53           ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-09 14:53             ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-10  6:35             ` Ingo Molnar
2018-10-10  6:35               ` Ingo Molnar
2018-10-10  7:12             ` Richard Biener
2018-10-10  7:12               ` Richard Biener
2018-10-10  7:22               ` Ingo Molnar
2018-10-10  7:22                 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-10-10  8:03                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-10  8:03                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-10  8:19                   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-10-10  8:19                   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-10-10  8:19                     ` Borislav Petkov
2018-10-10  8:35                     ` Richard Biener
2018-10-10  8:35                       ` Richard Biener
2018-10-10 18:54                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-10 18:54                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-10 19:14                       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-10-10 19:14                       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-10-10 19:14                         ` Borislav Petkov
2018-10-13 19:33                         ` Borislav Petkov
2018-10-13 19:33                           ` Borislav Petkov
2018-10-13 21:14                           ` Alexander Monakov
2018-10-13 21:14                             ` Alexander Monakov
2018-10-13 21:30                             ` Borislav Petkov
2018-10-13 21:30                               ` Borislav Petkov
2018-10-25 10:24                           ` Borislav Petkov
2018-10-25 10:24                           ` Borislav Petkov
2018-10-25 10:24                             ` Borislav Petkov
2018-10-31 12:55                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-31 12:55                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-31 13:11                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-31 13:11                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-31 16:31                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-31 16:31                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-11-01  5:20                             ` Joe Perches
2018-11-01  5:20                               ` Joe Perches
2018-11-01  9:01                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01  9:01                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01  9:20                                 ` Joe Perches
2018-11-01  9:20                                   ` Joe Perches
2018-11-01 11:15                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 11:15                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01  9:20                                 ` Joe Perches
2018-11-01  5:20                             ` Joe Perches
2018-12-27  4:47                             ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-12-27  4:47                               ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-10-10 10:29                   ` Richard Biener
2018-10-10 10:29                     ` Richard Biener
2018-10-10  7:53               ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-10  7:53                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-10 16:31             ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-10 16:31               ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-10 19:21               ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-10 19:21                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-10-11  7:04               ` Richard Biener
2018-10-11  7:04                 ` Richard Biener
2018-11-29 11:46             ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-11-29 11:46             ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-11-29 11:46               ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-11-29 12:25               ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-11-29 12:25                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-11-30  9:06                 ` Boris Petkov via Virtualization
2018-11-30  9:06                 ` Boris Petkov
2018-11-30  9:06                   ` Boris Petkov
2018-11-30 13:16                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-11-30 13:16                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-12-10  8:16                     ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-12-10  8:16                       ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-12-10  8:16                     ` Masahiro Yamada
2018-11-29 13:07               ` Borislav Petkov
2018-11-29 13:07                 ` Borislav Petkov via Virtualization
2018-11-29 13:09                 ` Richard Biener
2018-11-29 13:09                   ` Richard Biener
2018-11-29 13:16                   ` Borislav Petkov via Virtualization
2018-11-29 13:16                   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-11-29 13:16                     ` Borislav Petkov
2018-11-29 13:24                     ` Richard Biener
2018-11-29 13:24                       ` Richard Biener
2018-10-08 16:24       ` David Laight
2018-10-08 16:24       ` David Laight
2018-10-08 16:24         ` David Laight
2018-10-07 16:09   ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-07 16:09     ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-07 16:13     ` [RESEND] " Nadav Amit
2018-10-07 16:46     ` Richard Biener
2018-10-07 16:46       ` Richard Biener
2018-10-07 19:06       ` Nadav Amit [this message]
2018-10-07 19:06         ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-07 19:52         ` Jeff Law
2018-10-07 19:52           ` Jeff Law
2018-10-08  7:46         ` Richard Biener
2018-10-08  7:46           ` Richard Biener

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