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From: Liran Alon <liran.alon@oracle.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	mtosatti@redhat.com,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>,
	rth@twiddle.net
Subject: Re: [QEMU PATCH v2 0/2]: KVM: i386: Add support for save and restore nested state
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 20:41:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <59EE7141-6771-47E2-8473-C1429676AD7B@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d29d27ba-f34e-6dd6-4eec-8e75971269e3@redhat.com>



> On 8 Nov 2018, at 19:02, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> On 08/11/2018 10:57, Liran Alon wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8 Nov 2018, at 11:50, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 08/11/2018 01:45, Jim Mattson wrote:
>>>> I have no attachments to the current design. I had used a data[] blob,
>>>> because I didn't think userspace would have any need to know what was
>>>> in there. However, I am now seeing the error of my ways. For example,
>>>> the userspace instruction emulator needs to know the contents of the
>>>> vmcs12 to emulate instructions when in guest mode.
>>> 
>>> Yeah, we're probably going to have to document the KVM vmcs12 structure,
>>> possibly moving it to uapi.  But that's a different thing from
>>> save/restore state, which can use the 4K or 8K data[] blob.
>>> 
>>> Paolo
>> 
>> But regardless of if we document vmcs12 or not, the current blob we
>> have today should be separated to well-defined blobs/structs (cached_vmcs12
>> and cached_shadow_vmcs12) and each blob should have a relevant flag that specifies
>> it is valid (saved by kernel or requested to be restored by userspace).
>> Additional future nested-state should be added as additional
>> well-defined blobs/structs with appropriate flags.
> 
> We are somewhat limited by the ABI of the released kernel versions, and
> it's unlikely that the structure will change in the short term.  So I
> think it's okay if we just define that the first 4K of data are the VMCS
> and the second 8K are the shadow VMCS, whenever format=0 in the
> kvm_nested_state struct.
> 
> Paolo

So what I plan to do is indeed to define first 4K of data as vmcs12 and next 4K as shadow_vmcs12.
I will also define each of them in a separate VMState subsection that each will have it’s own .needed()
method that will decide if it’s relevant to send it based on kvm_state.size.
vmcs12 and shadow_vmcs12 will be put in a struct which is unioned with a struct
of 2 pages buffer to clearly indicate that one well-defined struct is used for VMX and the other for SVM.
(based on kvm_state.format)

In addition, I will change KVM_{GET,SET}_NESTED_STATE documentation to indicate that
future nested state fields should be added at the end of struct and weather they are valid should
be determined by a flag in kvm_state.flags.
QEMU will handle these new states in the future by adding more VMState subsections that have
.needed() method based on appropriate flag in kvm_state.flags.
The struct itself that userspace use against it’s local kernel will be determined based on KVM_CAPs.

If there are no objections, I will write the needed patches for QEMU (and the documentation patch for KVM).
(And throw away the current VMState technique I used in this version of the patch :P)

-Liran

> 
>> Then, in QEMU, each such well-defined blob/struct should have it’s own subsection with a relevant .needed() method.
>> This will allow us to preserve required backwards compatibility.
>> 
>> Agreed?
>> 
>> -Liran
>> 
> 

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Liran Alon <liran.alon@oracle.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	mtosatti@redhat.com, rth@twiddle.net, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [QEMU PATCH v2 0/2]: KVM: i386: Add support for save and restore nested state
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 20:41:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <59EE7141-6771-47E2-8473-C1429676AD7B@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d29d27ba-f34e-6dd6-4eec-8e75971269e3@redhat.com>



> On 8 Nov 2018, at 19:02, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> On 08/11/2018 10:57, Liran Alon wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8 Nov 2018, at 11:50, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 08/11/2018 01:45, Jim Mattson wrote:
>>>> I have no attachments to the current design. I had used a data[] blob,
>>>> because I didn't think userspace would have any need to know what was
>>>> in there. However, I am now seeing the error of my ways. For example,
>>>> the userspace instruction emulator needs to know the contents of the
>>>> vmcs12 to emulate instructions when in guest mode.
>>> 
>>> Yeah, we're probably going to have to document the KVM vmcs12 structure,
>>> possibly moving it to uapi.  But that's a different thing from
>>> save/restore state, which can use the 4K or 8K data[] blob.
>>> 
>>> Paolo
>> 
>> But regardless of if we document vmcs12 or not, the current blob we
>> have today should be separated to well-defined blobs/structs (cached_vmcs12
>> and cached_shadow_vmcs12) and each blob should have a relevant flag that specifies
>> it is valid (saved by kernel or requested to be restored by userspace).
>> Additional future nested-state should be added as additional
>> well-defined blobs/structs with appropriate flags.
> 
> We are somewhat limited by the ABI of the released kernel versions, and
> it's unlikely that the structure will change in the short term.  So I
> think it's okay if we just define that the first 4K of data are the VMCS
> and the second 8K are the shadow VMCS, whenever format=0 in the
> kvm_nested_state struct.
> 
> Paolo

So what I plan to do is indeed to define first 4K of data as vmcs12 and next 4K as shadow_vmcs12.
I will also define each of them in a separate VMState subsection that each will have it’s own .needed()
method that will decide if it’s relevant to send it based on kvm_state.size.
vmcs12 and shadow_vmcs12 will be put in a struct which is unioned with a struct
of 2 pages buffer to clearly indicate that one well-defined struct is used for VMX and the other for SVM.
(based on kvm_state.format)

In addition, I will change KVM_{GET,SET}_NESTED_STATE documentation to indicate that
future nested state fields should be added at the end of struct and weather they are valid should
be determined by a flag in kvm_state.flags.
QEMU will handle these new states in the future by adding more VMState subsections that have
.needed() method based on appropriate flag in kvm_state.flags.
The struct itself that userspace use against it’s local kernel will be determined based on KVM_CAPs.

If there are no objections, I will write the needed patches for QEMU (and the documentation patch for KVM).
(And throw away the current VMState technique I used in this version of the patch :P)

-Liran

> 
>> Then, in QEMU, each such well-defined blob/struct should have it’s own subsection with a relevant .needed() method.
>> This will allow us to preserve required backwards compatibility.
>> 
>> Agreed?
>> 
>> -Liran
>> 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-08 18:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-16 12:46 [QEMU PATCH v2 0/2]: KVM: i386: Add support for save and restore nested state Liran Alon
2018-09-16 12:46 ` [Qemu-devel] " Liran Alon
2018-09-16 12:46 ` [QEMU PATCH v2 1/2] i386: Compile CPUX86State xsave_buf only when support KVM or HVF Liran Alon
2018-09-16 12:46   ` [Qemu-devel] " Liran Alon
2018-09-16 12:46 ` [QEMU PATCH v2 2/2] KVM: i386: Add support for save and restore nested state Liran Alon
2018-09-16 12:46   ` [Qemu-devel] " Liran Alon
2018-10-08 17:21 ` [QEMU PATCH v2 0/2]: " Liran Alon
2018-10-08 17:21   ` [Qemu-devel] " Liran Alon
2018-10-15 18:10   ` Liran Alon
2018-10-15 18:10     ` [Qemu-devel] " Liran Alon
2018-10-31  1:03     ` Liran Alon
2018-10-31  1:03       ` [Qemu-devel] " Liran Alon
2018-10-31 18:17       ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-10-31 18:17         ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-10-31 18:19         ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-10-31 18:19           ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-10-31 18:50           ` Liran Alon
2018-10-31 18:50             ` [Qemu-devel] " Liran Alon
2018-10-31 18:59             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-10-31 18:59               ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-10-31 23:17               ` Liran Alon
2018-10-31 23:17                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Liran Alon
2018-11-01 13:10                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-01 13:10                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-01 15:23                   ` Liran Alon
2018-11-01 15:23                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Liran Alon
2018-11-01 15:56                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-01 15:56                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-01 16:45                       ` Jim Mattson via Qemu-devel
2018-11-01 16:45                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Jim Mattson
2018-11-02  3:46                         ` Liran Alon
2018-11-02  3:46                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Liran Alon
2018-11-02  9:40                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-11-02  9:40                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-11-02 12:35                             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-02 12:35                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-02 12:40                               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-11-02 12:40                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-11-04 22:12                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-11-04 22:12                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-11-02 12:59                             ` Liran Alon
2018-11-02 12:59                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Liran Alon
2018-11-02 16:44                               ` Jim Mattson via Qemu-devel
2018-11-02 16:44                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jim Mattson
2018-11-02 16:58                                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-11-02 16:58                                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-11-02 17:01                                   ` Jim Mattson via Qemu-devel
2018-11-02 17:01                                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jim Mattson
2018-11-02 16:54                             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-11-02 16:54                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-11-02 16:58                               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-02 16:58                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-04 22:19                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-11-04 22:19                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-11-12 16:18                                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-11-12 16:18                                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-11-12 16:50                                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-12 16:50                                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-12 16:53                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-11-12 16:53                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-11-12 16:54                                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-11-12 16:54                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-11-13  0:00                                       ` Liran Alon
2018-11-13  0:00                                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Liran Alon
2018-11-13  0:07                                         ` Jim Mattson via Qemu-devel
2018-11-13  0:07                                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Jim Mattson
2018-11-13  0:09                                           ` Liran Alon
2018-11-13  0:09                                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Liran Alon
2018-11-12 23:58                                     ` Liran Alon
2018-11-12 23:58                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Liran Alon
2018-11-02 16:39                           ` Jim Mattson via Qemu-devel
2018-11-02 16:39                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Jim Mattson
2018-11-03  2:02                             ` Liran Alon
2018-11-03  2:02                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Liran Alon
2018-11-08  0:13                               ` Liran Alon
2018-11-08  0:13                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Liran Alon
2018-11-08  0:45                                 ` Jim Mattson via Qemu-devel
2018-11-08  0:45                                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jim Mattson
2018-11-08  9:50                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-11-08  9:50                                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-11-08  9:57                                     ` Liran Alon
2018-11-08  9:57                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Liran Alon
2018-11-08 17:02                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-11-08 17:02                                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-11-08 18:41                                         ` Liran Alon [this message]
2018-11-08 18:41                                           ` Liran Alon
2018-11-08 20:34                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-11-08 20:34                                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-11-12 14:51                                           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-12 14:51                                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-01 19:03                       ` Liran Alon
2018-11-01 19:03                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Liran Alon
2018-11-01 19:07                         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-01 19:07                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-01 19:41                           ` Jim Mattson via Qemu-devel
2018-11-01 19:41                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Jim Mattson

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