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From: Wei Wang <wei.w.wang@intel.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
	quintela@redhat.com, dgilbert@redhat.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	liliang.opensource@gmail.com, yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com,
	quan.xu0@gmail.com, nilal@redhat.com, riel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/3] virtio-balloon: VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_FREE_PAGE_HINT
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2018 09:54:49 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5A9DF4E9.3090706@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180305155642-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On 03/05/2018 10:09 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 11:36:15AM +0800, Wei Wang wrote:
>> On 03/03/2018 02:37 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>> On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 04:47:29PM +0800, Wei Wang wrote:
>>>> diff --git a/include/sysemu/balloon.h b/include/sysemu/balloon.h
>>>> index af49e19..16a2aae 100644
>>>> --- a/include/sysemu/balloon.h
>>>> +++ b/include/sysemu/balloon.h
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> +typedef void (QEMUBalloonFreePageStart)(void *opaque);
>>>> +typedef void (QEMUBalloonFreePageStop)(void *opaque);
>>> So I think the rule is that no bitmap sync must happen
>>> between these two, otherwise a hint might arrive and
>>> override the sync output.
>>>
>>> Should be documented I think.
>>>
>> Yes, agree.
> Ideally we'd also detect violations and trigger an assert.

How about just invoking

if (rs->free_page_support)
     balloon_free_page_stop();

at the beginning of migration_bitmap_sync()? (balloon_free_page_stop 
will just return if the optimization has stopped.)

In this way, we can always have the guarantee that "no bitmap sync must 
happen between these two"


>
>> How about adding the following new balloon API explanation to
>> this patch's commit:
>>
>>      - balloon_free_page_start: Callers call this API to obtain guest free
>>        page hints, and clear the related bits from the migration dirty
>> bitmap.
>>        The whole process is implemented in a new thread independent of the
>>        migration thread. Free page hints imply the part of guest memory is
>>        likely to be free without a guarantee. That is, the reported free
>> pages
>>        may not be free any more when QEMU receives them, so callers are
>>        responsible for detecting those pages that are not free pages after
>> the
>>        bits are cleared from the dirty bitmap. To ensure the above, this API
>>        should be used when the migration dirty logging mechanism (e.g.
>>        guest memory write-protection) has started.
>>
>>      - balloon_free_page_stop: Callers call this API to stop the guest from
>>        reporting free page hints. Bits from the dirty bitmap are safe to
>>        be cleared on condition that the dirty logging mechanism is recording
>>        pages that the guest has written to. To avoid the case that clearing
>>        bits of free page hints overrides the dirty bits offered by the dirty
>>        logging mechanism, this API is suggested to be called before QEMU
>>        synchronizes the dirty logging bitmap.
>>
>>      - balloon_free_page_support: This API is called to check whether the
>>        balloon device supports the guest free page reporting feature. The
>>        balloon_free_page_start and balloon_free_page_stop APIs should be used
>>        only when this API returns true.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Wei
> I find this more confusing than explaining.
>
> Let me try
>
> balloon_free_page_start - start guest free page hint reporting.
> Note: balloon will report pages which were free at the time
> of this call. As the reporting happens asynchronously,
> we rely on dirty logging to be started before this call is made.
>
> The dirty logging bitmap must be synchronized before this call
> and then after balloon_free_page_stop.

I think it would be better to remove the above one sentence.
I agree "No dirty bitmap synchronizations are allowed between 
balloon_free_page_start and balloon_free_page_stop", but "The dirty 
logging bitmap MUST be synchronized before balloon_free_page_start" 
seems confusing, for example the bulk stage doesn't have to start with a 
bitmap sync.


>
> balloon_free_page_stop: stop the guest reporting
> of free pages. dirty logging bitmap can be synchronized
> after this point.
>
> No bitmap synchronizations are allowed between these two points.
>

Best,
Wei

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From: Wei Wang <wei.w.wang@intel.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
	quintela@redhat.com, dgilbert@redhat.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	liliang.opensource@gmail.com, yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com,
	quan.xu0@gmail.com, nilal@redhat.com, riel@redhat.com
Subject: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH v3 2/3] virtio-balloon: VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_FREE_PAGE_HINT
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2018 09:54:49 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5A9DF4E9.3090706@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180305155642-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On 03/05/2018 10:09 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 11:36:15AM +0800, Wei Wang wrote:
>> On 03/03/2018 02:37 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>> On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 04:47:29PM +0800, Wei Wang wrote:
>>>> diff --git a/include/sysemu/balloon.h b/include/sysemu/balloon.h
>>>> index af49e19..16a2aae 100644
>>>> --- a/include/sysemu/balloon.h
>>>> +++ b/include/sysemu/balloon.h
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> +typedef void (QEMUBalloonFreePageStart)(void *opaque);
>>>> +typedef void (QEMUBalloonFreePageStop)(void *opaque);
>>> So I think the rule is that no bitmap sync must happen
>>> between these two, otherwise a hint might arrive and
>>> override the sync output.
>>>
>>> Should be documented I think.
>>>
>> Yes, agree.
> Ideally we'd also detect violations and trigger an assert.

How about just invoking

if (rs->free_page_support)
     balloon_free_page_stop();

at the beginning of migration_bitmap_sync()? (balloon_free_page_stop 
will just return if the optimization has stopped.)

In this way, we can always have the guarantee that "no bitmap sync must 
happen between these two"


>
>> How about adding the following new balloon API explanation to
>> this patch's commit:
>>
>>      - balloon_free_page_start: Callers call this API to obtain guest free
>>        page hints, and clear the related bits from the migration dirty
>> bitmap.
>>        The whole process is implemented in a new thread independent of the
>>        migration thread. Free page hints imply the part of guest memory is
>>        likely to be free without a guarantee. That is, the reported free
>> pages
>>        may not be free any more when QEMU receives them, so callers are
>>        responsible for detecting those pages that are not free pages after
>> the
>>        bits are cleared from the dirty bitmap. To ensure the above, this API
>>        should be used when the migration dirty logging mechanism (e.g.
>>        guest memory write-protection) has started.
>>
>>      - balloon_free_page_stop: Callers call this API to stop the guest from
>>        reporting free page hints. Bits from the dirty bitmap are safe to
>>        be cleared on condition that the dirty logging mechanism is recording
>>        pages that the guest has written to. To avoid the case that clearing
>>        bits of free page hints overrides the dirty bits offered by the dirty
>>        logging mechanism, this API is suggested to be called before QEMU
>>        synchronizes the dirty logging bitmap.
>>
>>      - balloon_free_page_support: This API is called to check whether the
>>        balloon device supports the guest free page reporting feature. The
>>        balloon_free_page_start and balloon_free_page_stop APIs should be used
>>        only when this API returns true.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Wei
> I find this more confusing than explaining.
>
> Let me try
>
> balloon_free_page_start - start guest free page hint reporting.
> Note: balloon will report pages which were free at the time
> of this call. As the reporting happens asynchronously,
> we rely on dirty logging to be started before this call is made.
>
> The dirty logging bitmap must be synchronized before this call
> and then after balloon_free_page_stop.

I think it would be better to remove the above one sentence.
I agree "No dirty bitmap synchronizations are allowed between 
balloon_free_page_start and balloon_free_page_stop", but "The dirty 
logging bitmap MUST be synchronized before balloon_free_page_start" 
seems confusing, for example the bulk stage doesn't have to start with a 
bitmap sync.


>
> balloon_free_page_stop: stop the guest reporting
> of free pages. dirty logging bitmap can be synchronized
> after this point.
>
> No bitmap synchronizations are allowed between these two points.
>

Best,
Wei

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-06  1:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-02  8:47 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/3] virtio-balloon: free page hint reporting support Wei Wang
2018-03-02  8:47 ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-03-02  8:47 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 1/3] migration: API to clear bits of guest free pages from the dirty bitmap Wei Wang
2018-03-02  8:47   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-03-07 12:23   ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-03-07 12:57     ` Wei Wang
2018-03-07 12:57       ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-03-02  8:47 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/3] virtio-balloon: VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_FREE_PAGE_HINT Wei Wang
2018-03-02  8:47   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-03-02 18:27   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-02 18:27     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-02 18:37   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-02 18:37     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-05  3:36     ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2018-03-05  3:36       ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-03-05 14:09       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-05 14:09         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-06  1:54         ` Wei Wang [this message]
2018-03-06  1:54           ` Wei Wang
2018-03-06  2:38           ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-06  2:38             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-07 13:09             ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2018-03-07 13:09               ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-03-02  8:47 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 3/3] migration: use the free page hint feature from balloon Wei Wang
2018-03-02  8:47   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-03-07 12:32   ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-03-07 12:57     ` Wei Wang
2018-03-07 12:57       ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang

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