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From: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
To: "Thomas Hellström (Intel)" <thomas_os@shipmail.org>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel@ffwll.ch>
Cc: "Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	"Christian König" <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com>,
	"Intel Graphics Development" <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"moderated list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
	<linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	"John Stultz" <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	"DRI Development" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	"open list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
	<linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH 1/2] dma-buf: Require VM_PFNMAP vma for mmap
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 11:17:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <648556e6-2d99-950d-c940-706eb5a8f6cc@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <be8f2503-ffcb-eb58-83be-26fa0fc1837a@shipmail.org>



Am 01.03.21 um 10:21 schrieb Thomas Hellström (Intel):
>
> On 3/1/21 10:05 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 01, 2021 at 09:39:53AM +0100, Thomas Hellström (Intel) 
>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 3/1/21 9:28 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 9:06 AM Thomas Hellström (Intel)
>>>> <thomas_os@shipmail.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/26/21 2:28 PM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>>>>>> So I think it stops gup. But I haven't verified at all. Would be 
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> if Christian can check this with some direct io to a buffer in 
>>>>>> system
>>>>>> memory.
>>>>> Hmm,
>>>>>
>>>>> Docs (again vm_normal_page() say)
>>>>>
>>>>>     * VM_MIXEDMAP mappings can likewise contain memory with or 
>>>>> without "struct
>>>>>     * page" backing, however the difference is that _all_ pages 
>>>>> with a struct
>>>>>     * page (that is, those where pfn_valid is true) are refcounted 
>>>>> and
>>>>> considered
>>>>>     * normal pages by the VM. The disadvantage is that pages are 
>>>>> refcounted
>>>>>     * (which can be slower and simply not an option for some PFNMAP
>>>>> users). The
>>>>>     * advantage is that we don't have to follow the strict 
>>>>> linearity rule of
>>>>>     * PFNMAP mappings in order to support COWable mappings.
>>>>>
>>>>> but it's true __vm_insert_mixed() ends up in the insert_pfn() 
>>>>> path, so
>>>>> the above isn't really true, which makes me wonder if and in that 
>>>>> case
>>>>> why there could any longer ever be a significant performance 
>>>>> difference
>>>>> between MIXEDMAP and PFNMAP.
>>>> Yeah it's definitely confusing. I guess I'll hack up a patch and see
>>>> what sticks.
>>>>
>>>>> BTW regarding the TTM hugeptes, I don't think we ever landed that 
>>>>> devmap
>>>>> hack, so they are (for the non-gup case) relying on
>>>>> vma_is_special_huge(). For the gup case, I think the bug is still 
>>>>> there.
>>>> Maybe there's another devmap hack, but the ttm_vm_insert functions do
>>>> use PFN_DEV and all that. And I think that stops gup_fast from trying
>>>> to find the underlying page.
>>>> -Daniel
>>> Hmm perhaps it might, but I don't think so. The fix I tried out was 
>>> to set
>>>
>>> PFN_DEV | PFN_MAP for huge PTEs which causes pfn_devmap() to be 
>>> true, and
>>> then
>>>
>>> follow_devmap_pmd()->get_dev_pagemap() which returns NULL and 
>>> gup_fast()
>>> backs off,
>>>
>>> in the end that would mean setting in stone that "if there is a huge 
>>> devmap
>>> page table entry for which we haven't registered any devmap struct 
>>> pages
>>> (get_dev_pagemap returns NULL), we should treat that as a "special" 
>>> huge
>>> page table entry".
>>>
>>>  From what I can tell, all code calling get_dev_pagemap() already 
>>> does that,
>>> it's just a question of getting it accepted and formalizing it.
>> Oh I thought that's already how it works, since I didn't spot anything
>> else that would block gup_fast from falling over. I guess really would
>> need some testcases to make sure direct i/o (that's the easiest to test)
>> fails like we expect.
>
> Yeah, IIRC the "| PFN_MAP" is the missing piece for TTM huge ptes. 
> Otherwise pmd_devmap() will not return true and since there is no 
> pmd_special() things break.

Is that maybe the issue we have seen with amdgpu and huge pages?

Apart from that I'm lost guys, that devmap and gup stuff is not 
something I have a good knowledge of apart from a one mile high view.

Christian.

>
> /Thomas
>
>
>
>> -Daniel


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
To: "Thomas Hellström (Intel)" <thomas_os@shipmail.org>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel@ffwll.ch>
Cc: "Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	"Intel Graphics Development" <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"moderated list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
	<linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	"DRI Development" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Christian König" <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	"open list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
	<linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH 1/2] dma-buf: Require VM_PFNMAP vma for mmap
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 11:17:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <648556e6-2d99-950d-c940-706eb5a8f6cc@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <be8f2503-ffcb-eb58-83be-26fa0fc1837a@shipmail.org>



Am 01.03.21 um 10:21 schrieb Thomas Hellström (Intel):
>
> On 3/1/21 10:05 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 01, 2021 at 09:39:53AM +0100, Thomas Hellström (Intel) 
>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 3/1/21 9:28 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 9:06 AM Thomas Hellström (Intel)
>>>> <thomas_os@shipmail.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/26/21 2:28 PM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>>>>>> So I think it stops gup. But I haven't verified at all. Would be 
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> if Christian can check this with some direct io to a buffer in 
>>>>>> system
>>>>>> memory.
>>>>> Hmm,
>>>>>
>>>>> Docs (again vm_normal_page() say)
>>>>>
>>>>>     * VM_MIXEDMAP mappings can likewise contain memory with or 
>>>>> without "struct
>>>>>     * page" backing, however the difference is that _all_ pages 
>>>>> with a struct
>>>>>     * page (that is, those where pfn_valid is true) are refcounted 
>>>>> and
>>>>> considered
>>>>>     * normal pages by the VM. The disadvantage is that pages are 
>>>>> refcounted
>>>>>     * (which can be slower and simply not an option for some PFNMAP
>>>>> users). The
>>>>>     * advantage is that we don't have to follow the strict 
>>>>> linearity rule of
>>>>>     * PFNMAP mappings in order to support COWable mappings.
>>>>>
>>>>> but it's true __vm_insert_mixed() ends up in the insert_pfn() 
>>>>> path, so
>>>>> the above isn't really true, which makes me wonder if and in that 
>>>>> case
>>>>> why there could any longer ever be a significant performance 
>>>>> difference
>>>>> between MIXEDMAP and PFNMAP.
>>>> Yeah it's definitely confusing. I guess I'll hack up a patch and see
>>>> what sticks.
>>>>
>>>>> BTW regarding the TTM hugeptes, I don't think we ever landed that 
>>>>> devmap
>>>>> hack, so they are (for the non-gup case) relying on
>>>>> vma_is_special_huge(). For the gup case, I think the bug is still 
>>>>> there.
>>>> Maybe there's another devmap hack, but the ttm_vm_insert functions do
>>>> use PFN_DEV and all that. And I think that stops gup_fast from trying
>>>> to find the underlying page.
>>>> -Daniel
>>> Hmm perhaps it might, but I don't think so. The fix I tried out was 
>>> to set
>>>
>>> PFN_DEV | PFN_MAP for huge PTEs which causes pfn_devmap() to be 
>>> true, and
>>> then
>>>
>>> follow_devmap_pmd()->get_dev_pagemap() which returns NULL and 
>>> gup_fast()
>>> backs off,
>>>
>>> in the end that would mean setting in stone that "if there is a huge 
>>> devmap
>>> page table entry for which we haven't registered any devmap struct 
>>> pages
>>> (get_dev_pagemap returns NULL), we should treat that as a "special" 
>>> huge
>>> page table entry".
>>>
>>>  From what I can tell, all code calling get_dev_pagemap() already 
>>> does that,
>>> it's just a question of getting it accepted and formalizing it.
>> Oh I thought that's already how it works, since I didn't spot anything
>> else that would block gup_fast from falling over. I guess really would
>> need some testcases to make sure direct i/o (that's the easiest to test)
>> fails like we expect.
>
> Yeah, IIRC the "| PFN_MAP" is the missing piece for TTM huge ptes. 
> Otherwise pmd_devmap() will not return true and since there is no 
> pmd_special() things break.

Is that maybe the issue we have seen with amdgpu and huge pages?

Apart from that I'm lost guys, that devmap and gup stuff is not 
something I have a good knowledge of apart from a one mile high view.

Christian.

>
> /Thomas
>
>
>
>> -Daniel

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From: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
To: "Thomas Hellström (Intel)" <thomas_os@shipmail.org>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel@ffwll.ch>
Cc: "Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	"Intel Graphics Development" <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"moderated list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
	<linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	"John Stultz" <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	"DRI Development" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Christian König" <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	"open list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
	<linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Intel-gfx] [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH 1/2] dma-buf: Require VM_PFNMAP vma for mmap
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 11:17:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <648556e6-2d99-950d-c940-706eb5a8f6cc@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <be8f2503-ffcb-eb58-83be-26fa0fc1837a@shipmail.org>



Am 01.03.21 um 10:21 schrieb Thomas Hellström (Intel):
>
> On 3/1/21 10:05 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 01, 2021 at 09:39:53AM +0100, Thomas Hellström (Intel) 
>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 3/1/21 9:28 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 9:06 AM Thomas Hellström (Intel)
>>>> <thomas_os@shipmail.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/26/21 2:28 PM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>>>>>> So I think it stops gup. But I haven't verified at all. Would be 
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> if Christian can check this with some direct io to a buffer in 
>>>>>> system
>>>>>> memory.
>>>>> Hmm,
>>>>>
>>>>> Docs (again vm_normal_page() say)
>>>>>
>>>>>     * VM_MIXEDMAP mappings can likewise contain memory with or 
>>>>> without "struct
>>>>>     * page" backing, however the difference is that _all_ pages 
>>>>> with a struct
>>>>>     * page (that is, those where pfn_valid is true) are refcounted 
>>>>> and
>>>>> considered
>>>>>     * normal pages by the VM. The disadvantage is that pages are 
>>>>> refcounted
>>>>>     * (which can be slower and simply not an option for some PFNMAP
>>>>> users). The
>>>>>     * advantage is that we don't have to follow the strict 
>>>>> linearity rule of
>>>>>     * PFNMAP mappings in order to support COWable mappings.
>>>>>
>>>>> but it's true __vm_insert_mixed() ends up in the insert_pfn() 
>>>>> path, so
>>>>> the above isn't really true, which makes me wonder if and in that 
>>>>> case
>>>>> why there could any longer ever be a significant performance 
>>>>> difference
>>>>> between MIXEDMAP and PFNMAP.
>>>> Yeah it's definitely confusing. I guess I'll hack up a patch and see
>>>> what sticks.
>>>>
>>>>> BTW regarding the TTM hugeptes, I don't think we ever landed that 
>>>>> devmap
>>>>> hack, so they are (for the non-gup case) relying on
>>>>> vma_is_special_huge(). For the gup case, I think the bug is still 
>>>>> there.
>>>> Maybe there's another devmap hack, but the ttm_vm_insert functions do
>>>> use PFN_DEV and all that. And I think that stops gup_fast from trying
>>>> to find the underlying page.
>>>> -Daniel
>>> Hmm perhaps it might, but I don't think so. The fix I tried out was 
>>> to set
>>>
>>> PFN_DEV | PFN_MAP for huge PTEs which causes pfn_devmap() to be 
>>> true, and
>>> then
>>>
>>> follow_devmap_pmd()->get_dev_pagemap() which returns NULL and 
>>> gup_fast()
>>> backs off,
>>>
>>> in the end that would mean setting in stone that "if there is a huge 
>>> devmap
>>> page table entry for which we haven't registered any devmap struct 
>>> pages
>>> (get_dev_pagemap returns NULL), we should treat that as a "special" 
>>> huge
>>> page table entry".
>>>
>>>  From what I can tell, all code calling get_dev_pagemap() already 
>>> does that,
>>> it's just a question of getting it accepted and formalizing it.
>> Oh I thought that's already how it works, since I didn't spot anything
>> else that would block gup_fast from falling over. I guess really would
>> need some testcases to make sure direct i/o (that's the easiest to test)
>> fails like we expect.
>
> Yeah, IIRC the "| PFN_MAP" is the missing piece for TTM huge ptes. 
> Otherwise pmd_devmap() will not return true and since there is no 
> pmd_special() things break.

Is that maybe the issue we have seen with amdgpu and huge pages?

Apart from that I'm lost guys, that devmap and gup stuff is not 
something I have a good knowledge of apart from a one mile high view.

Christian.

>
> /Thomas
>
>
>
>> -Daniel

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Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-23 10:59 [PATCH 1/2] dma-buf: Require VM_PFNMAP vma for mmap Daniel Vetter
2021-02-23 10:59 ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-02-23 10:59 ` Daniel Vetter
2021-02-23 10:59 ` [PATCH 2/2] drm/vgem: use shmem helpers Daniel Vetter
2021-02-23 10:59   ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-02-23 11:19   ` Thomas Zimmermann
2021-02-23 11:19     ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Zimmermann
2021-02-23 11:51   ` [PATCH] " Daniel Vetter
2021-02-23 11:51     ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-02-23 14:21   ` [PATCH 2/2] " kernel test robot
2021-02-23 14:21     ` kernel test robot
2021-02-23 14:21     ` [Intel-gfx] " kernel test robot
2021-02-23 15:07   ` kernel test robot
2021-02-23 15:07     ` kernel test robot
2021-02-23 15:07     ` [Intel-gfx] " kernel test robot
2021-02-25 10:23   ` [PATCH] " Daniel Vetter
2021-02-25 10:23     ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-02-26  9:19     ` Thomas Zimmermann
2021-02-26  9:19       ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Zimmermann
2021-02-26 13:30       ` Daniel Vetter
2021-02-26 13:30         ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-02-26 13:51         ` Thomas Zimmermann
2021-02-26 13:51           ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Zimmermann
2021-02-26 14:04           ` Daniel Vetter
2021-02-26 14:04             ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-02-23 11:19 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.BUILD: failure for series starting with [1/2] dma-buf: Require VM_PFNMAP vma for mmap Patchwork
2021-02-23 13:11 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.BUILD: failure for series starting with [1/2] dma-buf: Require VM_PFNMAP vma for mmap (rev2) Patchwork
2021-02-24  7:46 ` [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH 1/2] dma-buf: Require VM_PFNMAP vma for mmap Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-02-24  7:46   ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-02-24  7:46   ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-02-24  8:45   ` Daniel Vetter
2021-02-24  8:45     ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-02-24  8:45     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-02-24  9:15     ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-02-24  9:15       ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-02-24  9:15       ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-02-24  9:31       ` Daniel Vetter
2021-02-24  9:31         ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-02-24  9:31         ` Daniel Vetter
2021-02-25 10:28         ` Christian König
2021-02-25 10:28           ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2021-02-25 10:28           ` Christian König
2021-02-25 10:44           ` Daniel Vetter
2021-02-25 10:44             ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-02-25 10:44             ` Daniel Vetter
2021-02-25 15:49             ` Daniel Vetter
2021-02-25 15:49               ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-02-25 15:49               ` Daniel Vetter
2021-02-25 16:53               ` Christian König
2021-02-25 16:53                 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2021-02-25 16:53                 ` Christian König
2021-02-26  9:41               ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-02-26  9:41                 ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-02-26  9:41                 ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-02-26 13:28                 ` Daniel Vetter
2021-02-26 13:28                   ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-02-26 13:28                   ` Daniel Vetter
2021-02-27  8:06                   ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-02-27  8:06                     ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-02-27  8:06                     ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-03-01  8:28                     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-03-01  8:28                       ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-03-01  8:28                       ` Daniel Vetter
2021-03-01  8:39                       ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-03-01  8:39                         ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-03-01  8:39                         ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-03-01  9:05                         ` Daniel Vetter
2021-03-01  9:05                           ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-03-01  9:05                           ` Daniel Vetter
2021-03-01  9:21                           ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-03-01  9:21                             ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-03-01  9:21                             ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-03-01 10:17                             ` Christian König [this message]
2021-03-01 10:17                               ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2021-03-01 10:17                               ` Christian König
2021-03-01 14:09                               ` Daniel Vetter
2021-03-01 14:09                                 ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-03-01 14:09                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2021-03-11 10:22                                 ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-03-11 10:22                                   ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-03-11 10:22                                   ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-03-11 13:00                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2021-03-11 13:00                                     ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-03-11 13:00                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-03-11 13:12                                     ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-03-11 13:12                                       ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-03-11 13:12                                       ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-03-11 13:17                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2021-03-11 13:17                                         ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-03-11 13:17                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2021-03-11 15:37                                         ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-03-11 15:37                                           ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-03-11 15:37                                           ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2021-03-12  7:51                                         ` Christian König
2021-03-12  7:51                                           ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2021-03-12  7:51                                           ` Christian König
2021-02-24 18:46     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-24 18:46       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-25 10:30       ` Christian König
2021-02-25 10:30         ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2021-02-25 10:30         ` Christian König
2021-02-25 10:45         ` Daniel Vetter
2021-02-25 10:45           ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-02-25 10:45           ` Daniel Vetter
2021-02-25 10:38 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.CHECKPATCH: warning for series starting with [1/2] dma-buf: Require VM_PFNMAP vma for mmap (rev3) Patchwork
2021-02-25 11:19 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.BAT: failure " Patchwork
2021-02-26  3:57 ` [PATCH 1/2] dma-buf: Require VM_PFNMAP vma for mmap John Stultz
2021-02-26  3:57   ` [Intel-gfx] " John Stultz
2021-02-26  3:57   ` John Stultz
2021-03-11 10:58 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.BUILD: failure for series starting with [Linaro-mm-sig,1/2] dma-buf: Require VM_PFNMAP vma for mmap (rev4) Patchwork

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