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From: Kristen Carlson Accardi <kristen@linux.intel.com>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	Rick Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kernel Hardening <kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 09/11] kallsyms: hide layout and expose seed
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 11:19:55 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <66d6506278121f22c4360110c38ee3653e4fb1c6.camel@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202003021107.38017F90@keescook>

On Mon, 2020-03-02 at 11:08 -0800, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 02, 2020 at 11:01:56AM -0800, Kristen Carlson Accardi
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 20:27 +0100, Jann Horn wrote:
> > > https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=%2Fproc%2Fkallsyms&literal=1
> > 
> > I looked through some of these packages as Jann suggested, and it
> > seems
> > like there are several that are using /proc/kallsyms to look for
> > specific symbol names to determine whether some feature has been
> > compiled into the kernel. This practice seems dubious to me,
> > knowing
> > that many kernel symbol names can be changed at any time, but
> > regardless seems to be fairly common.
> 
> Cool, so a sorted censored list is fine for non-root. Would root
> users
> break on a symbol-name-sorted view? (i.e. are two lists needed or can
> we
> stick to one?)
> 

Internally of course we'll always have to have 2 lists. I couldn't find
any examples of even root users needing the list to be in order by
address. At the same time, it feels like a less risky thing to do to
leave root users with the same thing they've always had and only muck
with non-root users.



  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-02 19:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-05 22:39 [RFC PATCH 00/11] Finer grained kernel address space randomization Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 01/11] modpost: Support >64K sections Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 12:38   ` Kees Cook
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 02/11] x86: tools/relocs: Support >64K section headers Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 12:39   ` Kees Cook
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 03/11] x86/boot: Allow a "silent" kaslr random byte fetch Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06  1:08   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-02-06 11:48     ` Kees Cook
2020-02-06 16:58     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 16:58       ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 04/11] x86/boot/KASLR: Introduce PRNG for faster shuffling Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06  1:11   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-02-06 15:10   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2020-02-07  7:23     ` Jean-Philippe Aumasson
2020-02-07  9:05       ` Kees Cook
2020-02-07 16:52         ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-07 16:52           ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 05/11] x86: Makefile: Add build and config option for CONFIG_FG_KASLR Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 10:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-06 11:52     ` Kees Cook
2020-02-25 17:55   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-26 19:13     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-26 19:13       ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-03-24 21:24     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-03-24 21:24       ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-03-25 15:34       ` Kees Cook
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 06/11] x86: make sure _etext includes function sections Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 12:26   ` Kees Cook
2020-02-06 13:15     ` Jann Horn
2020-02-06 13:15       ` Jann Horn
2020-02-06 16:27       ` David Laight
2020-02-06 14:39     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-06 15:29       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-06 16:11         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-02-06 14:57     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-06 15:45       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-06 19:41     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 19:41       ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 20:02       ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-02-07  9:24         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-10  1:43           ` Kees Cook
2020-02-10 10:51             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-10 15:54               ` Arjan van de Ven
2020-02-10 16:36                 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-21 19:50                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-02-21 23:05                     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 07/11] x86/tools: Adding relative relocs for randomized functions Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 12:37   ` Kees Cook
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 08/11] x86: Add support for finer grained KASLR Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06  1:17   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-02-06  1:17     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-02-06 11:56     ` Kees Cook
2020-02-06 17:36       ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 17:36         ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 10:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-06 12:06     ` Kees Cook
2020-02-06 14:52       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-06 17:25         ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 17:25           ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 17:35           ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-06 17:43             ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 17:43               ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-25 17:49   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-26 19:26     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-26 19:26       ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 09/11] kallsyms: hide layout and expose seed Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 12:32   ` Kees Cook
2020-02-06 17:51     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 17:51       ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 19:27       ` Jann Horn
2020-02-06 19:27         ` Jann Horn
2020-03-02 19:01         ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-03-02 19:08           ` Kees Cook
2020-03-02 19:19             ` Kristen Carlson Accardi [this message]
2020-03-02 19:19               ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-27  2:42       ` Baoquan He
2020-02-27 16:02         ` Kees Cook
2020-02-28  3:36           ` Baoquan He
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 10/11] module: Reorder functions Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 12:41   ` Kees Cook
2020-02-11 12:39     ` Jessica Yu
2020-02-06 22:15   ` kbuild test robot
2020-02-06 23:58   ` kbuild test robot
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 11/11] x86/boot: Move "boot heap" out of .bss Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06  0:11   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-06  0:33     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06  0:33       ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 11:13     ` Kees Cook
2020-02-06 14:25       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-06 21:32         ` Kees Cook

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