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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>,
	Clint Sbisa <csbisa@amazon.com>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, will@kernel.org,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] arm64: Enable PCI write-combine resources under sysfs
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:59:24 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <701012f288231d0d0733bf1c2c8fdbd9caa074fd.camel@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200915234006.GI1573713@nvidia.com>

On Tue, 2020-09-15 at 20:40 -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> Not quite, upstream kernel will never use WC on those
> devices. DEVICE_GRE is not supported in upstream,
> arch_can_pci_mmap_wc() is always false and the WC tester will always
> fail.
> 
> > With the patch, those device will now use MT_DEVICE_NC.
> 
> Which doesn't do WC at all on some ARM implementations.

Lovely... this is arm64 btw, still the case ?

Also we could make this a variable rather than a constant and choose
a more appropriate set of flags at boot time....

> > Why would that be a regression ? 
> 
> Using the WC submission flow when it doesn't work costs something like
> 10% performance vs using the non-WC flow.

You mean the driver uses a different path to the HW which ahs that
overhead, not that MMIOs have that overhead right ?

> Like I said, the case where the driver can't self test probably
> doesn't intersect with the ARM implementations that can't do write
> combining, and if it did, the users probably run the out of tree
> driver that has the hacky stuff to make it use DEVICE_GRE.

Ok. So you are saying to go for it and ignore that Mellanox case then ?
:-)

> > BTW. Lorenzo, why don't we use MT_DEVICE_GRE for pgprot_writecombine ?
> > Its not supported on some chips ?
> 
> It has alignment requirements drivers don't meet. We need a new
> concept of "write combining and I promise to do aligned access"

Ah yes, I remember. Right, we would need to provide new/better
accessors for these kind of things. It's going to be a mess to find a
common set that works for all archs.

> > What on earth is pgprot_device() ? This is new ? On ARM it will be
> > MT_DEVICE_nGnRE, so it allows posted write. It seems to match what
> > ioremap does. Should then ioremap use it as well ?
> > 
> > But it's only ever used for PCI mmap. Why is it different from
> > pgprot_noncached() which disables posted writes (nE) ?
> > 
> > Because a whole lot of drivers will use pgprot_noncached() explicitly
> > in either mmap or vmap, with the expectation that it's somewhat the
> > same as what ioremap does...
> 
> *boggle*
> 
> Only sysfs uses pci_mmap_resource_range() any other driver exposing
> BAR pages, like VFIO dies not. Makes no sense at all it is different.
> 
> Delete the ill defined pgprot_device() ? Nobody has complained
> something is wrong with VFIO in the 6 years since it was added...

I was wondering what it was, that's it ... 

Cheers,
Ben.



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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Clint Sbisa <csbisa@amazon.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] arm64: Enable PCI write-combine resources under sysfs
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:59:24 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <701012f288231d0d0733bf1c2c8fdbd9caa074fd.camel@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200915234006.GI1573713@nvidia.com>

On Tue, 2020-09-15 at 20:40 -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> Not quite, upstream kernel will never use WC on those
> devices. DEVICE_GRE is not supported in upstream,
> arch_can_pci_mmap_wc() is always false and the WC tester will always
> fail.
> 
> > With the patch, those device will now use MT_DEVICE_NC.
> 
> Which doesn't do WC at all on some ARM implementations.

Lovely... this is arm64 btw, still the case ?

Also we could make this a variable rather than a constant and choose
a more appropriate set of flags at boot time....

> > Why would that be a regression ? 
> 
> Using the WC submission flow when it doesn't work costs something like
> 10% performance vs using the non-WC flow.

You mean the driver uses a different path to the HW which ahs that
overhead, not that MMIOs have that overhead right ?

> Like I said, the case where the driver can't self test probably
> doesn't intersect with the ARM implementations that can't do write
> combining, and if it did, the users probably run the out of tree
> driver that has the hacky stuff to make it use DEVICE_GRE.

Ok. So you are saying to go for it and ignore that Mellanox case then ?
:-)

> > BTW. Lorenzo, why don't we use MT_DEVICE_GRE for pgprot_writecombine ?
> > Its not supported on some chips ?
> 
> It has alignment requirements drivers don't meet. We need a new
> concept of "write combining and I promise to do aligned access"

Ah yes, I remember. Right, we would need to provide new/better
accessors for these kind of things. It's going to be a mess to find a
common set that works for all archs.

> > What on earth is pgprot_device() ? This is new ? On ARM it will be
> > MT_DEVICE_nGnRE, so it allows posted write. It seems to match what
> > ioremap does. Should then ioremap use it as well ?
> > 
> > But it's only ever used for PCI mmap. Why is it different from
> > pgprot_noncached() which disables posted writes (nE) ?
> > 
> > Because a whole lot of drivers will use pgprot_noncached() explicitly
> > in either mmap or vmap, with the expectation that it's somewhat the
> > same as what ioremap does...
> 
> *boggle*
> 
> Only sysfs uses pci_mmap_resource_range() any other driver exposing
> BAR pages, like VFIO dies not. Makes no sense at all it is different.
> 
> Delete the ill defined pgprot_device() ? Nobody has complained
> something is wrong with VFIO in the 6 years since it was added...

I was wondering what it was, that's it ... 

Cheers,
Ben.



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  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-16  7:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-31 15:18 [PATCH] arm64: Enable PCI write-combine resources under sysfs Clint Sbisa
2020-08-31 23:24 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-01 18:37 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2020-09-01 23:22   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-02  8:57     ` Will Deacon
2020-09-02 11:32 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-02 14:29   ` Clint Sbisa
2020-09-02 16:47     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-02 16:47       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-02 17:21       ` Catalin Marinas
2020-09-02 17:21         ` Catalin Marinas
2020-09-02 17:54         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-02 17:54           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-02 23:03           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-02 23:03             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-02 23:08         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-02 23:08           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-02 23:08           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-02 23:08             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-02 23:07       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-02 23:07         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-03 11:08         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-03 11:08           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-03 14:36           ` Clint Sbisa
2020-09-03 14:36             ` Clint Sbisa
2020-09-03 22:26           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-03 22:26             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-07 23:33           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-07 23:33             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-10  9:46             ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-10  9:46               ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-10 10:54               ` Leon Romanovsky
2020-09-10 10:54                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2020-09-10 12:37               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-10 12:37                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-10 15:17                 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-10 15:17                   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-10 17:10                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-10 17:10                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-10 21:46                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-10 21:46                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-10 23:29                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-10 23:29                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-11  0:39                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-11  0:39                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-11 14:21                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-11 14:21                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-11 21:42                           ` Clint Sbisa
2020-09-11 21:42                             ` Clint Sbisa
2020-09-14 14:17                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-14 14:17                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-14 14:24                               ` Clint Sbisa
2020-09-14 14:24                                 ` Clint Sbisa
2020-09-14 14:38                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-14 14:38                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-14 21:42                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-14 21:42                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-14 22:00                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-14 22:00                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-14 22:32                                       ` Clint Sbisa
2020-09-14 22:32                                         ` Clint Sbisa
2020-09-14 22:57                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-14 22:57                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-14 23:25                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-14 23:25                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-15 10:18                                           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-15 10:18                                             ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-15 11:05                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-15 11:05                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-15 23:17                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-15 23:17                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-15 23:40                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-15 23:40                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-16  7:59                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2020-09-16  7:59                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-16 12:12                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-16 12:12                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-16 14:09                                                       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-16 14:09                                                         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-16 14:14                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-16 14:14                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-16 23:59                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-16 23:59                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-17 10:28                                                         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-17 10:28                                                           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-17 11:32                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-17 11:32                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-17 14:01                                                             ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-17 14:01                                                               ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-17 16:08                                                               ` Will Deacon
2020-09-17 16:08                                                                 ` Will Deacon
2020-09-16 12:48                                                     ` Leon Romanovsky
2020-09-16 12:48                                                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2020-09-16  8:33                                                   ` Will Deacon
2020-09-16  8:33                                                     ` Will Deacon
2020-09-16  8:48                                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2020-09-16  8:48                                                       ` Catalin Marinas
2020-09-16 14:15                                                       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-16 14:15                                                         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2020-09-16 17:00                                                         ` Catalin Marinas
2020-09-16 17:00                                                           ` Catalin Marinas
2020-09-16 21:29                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-16 21:29                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-16 12:08                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-16 12:08                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-15 23:00                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-15 23:00                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-15 23:12                                               ` Clint Sbisa
2020-09-15 23:12                                                 ` Clint Sbisa
2020-09-14 21:41                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-09-14 21:41                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-08-21 15:51 Clint Sbisa
2020-08-21 15:51 ` Clint Sbisa
2020-08-27 14:41 ` Clint Sbisa
2020-08-27 14:41   ` Clint Sbisa
2020-08-31 15:22 ` Clint Sbisa
2020-08-31 15:22   ` Clint Sbisa

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