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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mateusz Guzik <mguzik@redhat.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Kay Sievers <kay@vrfy.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] cmdline: Hide "debug" from /proc/cmdline
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 12:19:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7048a27a-dcec-44e5-a51a-fe0a1f5d8542@email.android.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140403171854.GA23737@thunk.org>

They will be in memory one way or another, and during boot memory is usually plentiful to the kernel.  Also, of the kernel knows it is log data it can be dropped if needed.

On April 3, 2014 10:18:55 AM PDT, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
>On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 10:09:29AM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>> 
>> Having the kernel be the keeper of the logging IPC isn't at all
>> unreasonable.  However, kmsg in its current form isn't adequate.
>> Augmenting it into a proper logging IPC might be the right thing to
>do.
>>  (Hmm... new IPC... does this sound a bit like kdbus to anyone?)
>
>I'm not sure it makes sense for the kernel to be stashing log entries
>until there is a good place to save them.  So if systemd wants to send
>hundreds of thousands of messages before the file system is remounted
>read-only, we don't really want to storing them in non-swappable
>kernel memory.  In a userspace process, you can do things like do
>compression, and in the worst case, the oom killer can kill the
>logging daemon if the systemd verbosity has been turned up too high,
>and it's taking too long to get /var/log mounted and writeable.
>
>That's why I wrote logsave(8) --- because IMHO, this is a userspace
>problem, and not something that we should even be trying to solve in
>kernel space.
>
>						- Ted

-- 
Sent from my mobile phone.  Please pardon brevity and lack of formatting.

  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-03 19:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-02 18:42 [RFC PATCH] cmdline: Hide "debug" from /proc/cmdline Steven Rostedt
2014-04-02 18:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-02 19:04 ` Andrew Morton
2014-04-02 19:05   ` Borislav Petkov
2014-04-02 19:08   ` Randy Dunlap
2014-04-02 19:50   ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-04-02 20:05     ` Richard Weinberger
2014-04-02 20:43       ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-04-02 22:18   ` Greg KH
2014-04-02 19:08 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-04-02 19:33   ` Steven Rostedt
2014-04-02 22:12 ` Mateusz Guzik
2014-04-02 22:30   ` David Daney
2014-04-02 22:37   ` Greg KH
2014-04-02 23:13   ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-02 23:23     ` Jiri Kosina
2014-04-02 23:28       ` Andrew Morton
2014-04-02 23:42         ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-02 23:47           ` Jiri Kosina
2014-04-02 23:52             ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-02 23:57               ` Jiri Kosina
2014-04-03  1:38               ` Steven Rostedt
2014-04-03  1:47               ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-03  9:03                 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-04-03 10:43                 ` Joerg Roedel
2014-04-03 17:05                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-03 17:09                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-04-03 17:18                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-03 19:19                         ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2014-04-04 18:21                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-04 18:32                       ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-04 18:57                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-04 19:09                           ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-04 21:17                         ` John Stoffel
2014-04-04 23:17                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-04-05 14:37                             ` John Stoffel
2014-04-05 23:23                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-04 18:42                       ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-04 18:51                         ` Andrew Morton
2014-04-04 18:57                           ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-06 20:49                             ` David Timothy Strauss
2014-05-06  9:38                               ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-04 19:44                           ` Steven Rostedt
2014-04-04 20:17                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-04 22:45                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-04-04 22:48                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-04 19:00                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-03 11:23                 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-04-03 11:38                   ` Ingo Molnar
2014-04-15  7:26                 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-04-03 10:34               ` Måns Rullgård
2014-04-03 11:03                 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-04-06 17:19                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-05-06  9:47                   ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-02 23:47           ` Joe Perches
2014-04-02 23:31       ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-03 11:25       ` Måns Rullgård
2014-04-03 15:17         ` Tim Bird
2014-04-03 18:06           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-05-06  9:35             ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-07  4:54     ` Rusty Russell
2014-05-02 22:34       ` Andrew Morton
2014-05-05  2:17         ` Rusty Russell
2014-05-05 13:15           ` Randy Dunlap
2014-05-06  0:57             ` Rusty Russell
2014-05-19  8:06               ` Diego Viola
2014-05-19  8:11                 ` Diego Viola
2014-05-19 14:40                   ` Randy Dunlap
2014-05-20  1:26                     ` Rusty Russell
2014-05-20  6:26                       ` Diego Viola
2014-05-21  1:52                         ` Rusty Russell
2014-04-03  0:49   ` Steven Rostedt
2014-04-23 15:15 Borislav Petkov
2014-04-23 20:44 ` Borislav Petkov

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