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From: Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>
To: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Linu Cherian <linuc.decode@gmail.com>,
	Neil Leeder <nleeder@codeaurora.org>
Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Mark Langsdorf <mlangsdo@redhat.com>,
	Jon Masters <jcm@redhat.com>, Timur Tabi <timur@codeaurora.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Mark Salter <msalter@redhat.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linu.cherian@cavium.com,
	Sunil.Goutham@cavium.com, ynorov@caviumnetworks.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] arm64 SMMUv3 PMU driver with IORT support
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 15:39:22 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7312293d-8897-95d8-9045-9e97a6c150eb@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <999b7132-2de8-2872-1067-fc7e02cbc57a@arm.com>

Thanks for putting me in the loop Robin.

On 18/12/17 14:48, Robin Murphy wrote:
> On 10/12/17 02:35, Linu Cherian wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> On Fri Aug 04, 2017 at 03:59:12PM -0400, Neil Leeder wrote:
>>> This adds a driver for the SMMUv3 PMU into the perf framework.
>>> It includes an IORT update to support PM Counter Groups.
>>>
>>
>> In one of Cavium's upcoming SOC, SMMU PMCG implementation is such a way
>> that platform bus id (Device ID in ITS terminmology)is shared with that of SMMU.
>> This would be a matter of concern for software if the SMMU and SMMU PMCG blocks
>> are managed by two independent drivers.
>>
>> The problem arises when we want to alloc/free MSIs for these devices
>> using the APIs, platform_msi_domain_alloc/free_irqs.
>> Platform bus id being same for these two hardware blocks, they end up sharing the same
>> ITT(Interrupt Translation Table) in GIC ITS and hence alloc, free and management
>> of this shared ITT becomes a problem when they are managed by two independent
>> drivers.
> 
> What is the problem exactly? IIRC resizing a possibly-live ITT is a 
> right pain in the bum to do - is it just that?

Understatement of the day! ;-) Yes, it is a massive headache, and will
either result in a temporary loss of interrupts (at some point you have
to unmap the ITT), or with spurious interrupts (you generate interrupts
for all the MSIs you've blackholed when unmapping the ITT).

> 
>> We were looking into the option of keeping the SMMU PMCG nodes as sub nodes under
>> SMMUv3 node, so that SMMUv3 driver could probe and figure out the total vectors
>> required for SMMU PMCG devices and make a common platform_msi_domain_alloc/free_irqs
>> function call for all devices that share the platform bus id.
> 
> I'm not sure how scalable that approach would be, since it's not 
> entirely obvious how to handle PMCGs associated with named components or 
> root complexes (rather than directly with SMMU instances). We certainly 
> don't want to end up spraying similar PMCG DevID logic around all manner 
> of GPU/accelerator/etc. drivers in future (whilst PMCGs for device TLBs 
> will be expected to have distinct IDs from their host devices, they 
> could reasonably still overlap with other PMCGs/SMMUs).
> 
>> Would like to know your expert opinion on what would be the right approach
>> to handle this case ?
> 
> My gut feeling says the way to deal with this properly is in the ITS 
> code, but I appreciate that that's a lot easier said than done :/

I can revive the hack I once wrote for that (and that was hoping to
forever forget), but that's pretty disgusting, and subject to the above
caveat.

Thanks,

	M.
-- 
Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny...

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: marc.zyngier@arm.com (Marc Zyngier)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 0/2] arm64 SMMUv3 PMU driver with IORT support
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 15:39:22 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7312293d-8897-95d8-9045-9e97a6c150eb@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <999b7132-2de8-2872-1067-fc7e02cbc57a@arm.com>

Thanks for putting me in the loop Robin.

On 18/12/17 14:48, Robin Murphy wrote:
> On 10/12/17 02:35, Linu Cherian wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> On Fri Aug 04, 2017 at 03:59:12PM -0400, Neil Leeder wrote:
>>> This adds a driver for the SMMUv3 PMU into the perf framework.
>>> It includes an IORT update to support PM Counter Groups.
>>>
>>
>> In one of Cavium's upcoming SOC, SMMU PMCG implementation is such a way
>> that platform bus id (Device ID in ITS terminmology)is shared with that of SMMU.
>> This would be a matter of concern for software if the SMMU and SMMU PMCG blocks
>> are managed by two independent drivers.
>>
>> The problem arises when we want to alloc/free MSIs for these devices
>> using the APIs, platform_msi_domain_alloc/free_irqs.
>> Platform bus id being same for these two hardware blocks, they end up sharing the same
>> ITT(Interrupt Translation Table) in GIC ITS and hence alloc, free and management
>> of this shared ITT becomes a problem when they are managed by two independent
>> drivers.
> 
> What is the problem exactly? IIRC resizing a possibly-live ITT is a 
> right pain in the bum to do - is it just that?

Understatement of the day! ;-) Yes, it is a massive headache, and will
either result in a temporary loss of interrupts (at some point you have
to unmap the ITT), or with spurious interrupts (you generate interrupts
for all the MSIs you've blackholed when unmapping the ITT).

> 
>> We were looking into the option of keeping the SMMU PMCG nodes as sub nodes under
>> SMMUv3 node, so that SMMUv3 driver could probe and figure out the total vectors
>> required for SMMU PMCG devices and make a common platform_msi_domain_alloc/free_irqs
>> function call for all devices that share the platform bus id.
> 
> I'm not sure how scalable that approach would be, since it's not 
> entirely obvious how to handle PMCGs associated with named components or 
> root complexes (rather than directly with SMMU instances). We certainly 
> don't want to end up spraying similar PMCG DevID logic around all manner 
> of GPU/accelerator/etc. drivers in future (whilst PMCGs for device TLBs 
> will be expected to have distinct IDs from their host devices, they 
> could reasonably still overlap with other PMCGs/SMMUs).
> 
>> Would like to know your expert opinion on what would be the right approach
>> to handle this case ?
> 
> My gut feeling says the way to deal with this properly is in the ITS 
> code, but I appreciate that that's a lot easier said than done :/

I can revive the hack I once wrote for that (and that was hoping to
forever forget), but that's pretty disgusting, and subject to the above
caveat.

Thanks,

	M.
-- 
Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny...

  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-18 15:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-04 19:59 [PATCH 0/2] arm64 SMMUv3 PMU driver with IORT support Neil Leeder
2017-08-04 19:59 ` Neil Leeder
2017-08-04 19:59 ` [PATCH 1/2] acpi: arm64: add iort support for PMCG Neil Leeder
2017-08-04 19:59   ` Neil Leeder
2017-08-07 11:17   ` Robin Murphy
2017-08-07 11:17     ` Robin Murphy
2017-08-07 20:52     ` Leeder, Neil
2017-08-07 20:52       ` Leeder, Neil
2017-08-07 16:44   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2017-08-07 16:44     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2017-08-07 21:00     ` Leeder, Neil
2017-08-07 21:00       ` Leeder, Neil
2018-01-30 10:39   ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2018-01-30 10:39     ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2018-01-30 18:00     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2018-01-30 18:00       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2018-01-31 12:10       ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2018-01-31 12:10         ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2018-01-31 12:34         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2018-01-31 12:34           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2017-08-04 19:59 ` [PATCH 2/2] perf: add arm64 smmuv3 pmu driver Neil Leeder
2017-08-04 19:59   ` Neil Leeder
2017-08-07 14:31   ` Robin Murphy
2017-08-07 14:31     ` Robin Murphy
2017-08-07 21:18     ` Leeder, Neil
2017-08-07 21:18       ` Leeder, Neil
2017-12-05  5:01     ` Linu Cherian
2017-12-05  5:01       ` Linu Cherian
2018-03-29  7:03   ` Yisheng Xie
2018-03-29  7:03     ` Yisheng Xie
     [not found]     ` <e55ab4404143ea0b3cc4795a93e37480@codeaurora.org>
2018-04-01  5:44       ` Neil Leeder
2018-04-01  5:44         ` Neil Leeder
2018-04-02  6:37         ` Yisheng Xie
2018-04-02  6:37           ` Yisheng Xie
2018-04-02 14:24           ` Hanjun Guo
2018-04-02 14:24             ` Hanjun Guo
2018-04-02 17:59             ` Neil Leeder
2018-04-02 17:59               ` Neil Leeder
2018-04-03  1:15               ` Hanjun Guo
2018-04-03  1:15                 ` Hanjun Guo
2018-04-04 11:35                 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2018-04-04 11:35                   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2018-05-02 14:20           ` Agustin Vega-Frias
2018-05-02 14:20             ` Agustin Vega-Frias
2018-05-03  9:22             ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2018-05-03  9:22               ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2018-04-18 11:05     ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2018-04-18 11:05       ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2018-04-19  1:17       ` Yisheng Xie
2018-04-19  1:17         ` Yisheng Xie
2017-08-09  7:56 ` [PATCH 0/2] arm64 SMMUv3 PMU driver with IORT support Hanjun Guo
2017-08-09  7:56   ` Hanjun Guo
2017-08-09 15:48   ` Leeder, Neil
2017-08-09 15:48     ` Leeder, Neil
2017-08-10  1:26     ` Hanjun Guo
2017-08-10  1:26       ` Hanjun Guo
2017-08-11  3:28       ` Leeder, Neil
2017-08-11  3:28         ` Leeder, Neil
2017-10-12 10:58         ` Hanjun Guo
2017-10-12 10:58           ` Hanjun Guo
2017-10-12 11:05           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2017-10-12 11:05             ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2017-10-12 11:11             ` Hanjun Guo
2017-10-12 11:11               ` Hanjun Guo
2017-10-31 23:33 ` Yury Norov
2017-10-31 23:33   ` Yury Norov
2017-11-02 20:38   ` Leeder, Neil
2017-11-02 20:38     ` Leeder, Neil
2017-12-10  2:35 ` Linu Cherian
2017-12-10  2:35   ` Linu Cherian
2017-12-18 14:48   ` Robin Murphy
2017-12-18 14:48     ` Robin Murphy
2017-12-18 15:39     ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2017-12-18 15:39       ` Marc Zyngier
2017-12-19  6:55       ` Linu Cherian
2017-12-19  6:55         ` Linu Cherian
2017-12-19 12:11         ` Marc Zyngier
2017-12-19 12:11           ` Marc Zyngier
2017-12-19  6:36     ` Linu Cherian
2017-12-19  6:36       ` Linu Cherian

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