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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr>
Cc: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Thore Husfeldt <thore.husfeldt@gmail.com>,
	Jakub Narebski <jnareb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/10] Better "Changed but not updated" message in git-status
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:20:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vsjzp9a69.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <vpqfwvqdjes.fsf@bauges.imag.fr> (Matthieu Moy's message of "Fri\, 29 Oct 2010 00\:47\:23 +0200")

Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr> writes:

> Actually, my formulation also has a subtle advantage: it somehow
> teaches the meaning of "staged". By reading "Changes not staged for
> commit" close to "Changes to be commited", it makes it rather clear
> what "staged for commit" means.

That is exactly why I mentioned "Changes staged for commit" in the first
part of my message.

> Perhaps changing the hint from "git add" to "git stage" right below
> would make that even clearer.

If we had "git reset HEAD -- <path>" as a synonym for "git unstage",
perhaps.  I always hesitate to suggest that, fearing if that synonym would
always work, especially when you are not just dealing with your own
changes (iow, doing something more than "I have clean checkout, and I
edited some files, and I may have run 'git add' on some of them").  I do
not think of a situation that the synonym wouldn't work offhand, but that
of course does not mean it would always work.

Provided if such "git unstage" can be given as a counterpart of "git
stage", it may be fine to advocate the verb "stage".  But otherwise, I'd
rather not to see the verb advocated in this way.

Notice that my rewording was crafted in such a way, rather carefully, so
that we do not have to say "stage" anywhere.

>>> I've been wondering ever since this thread started if we can phrase it
>>> better to make it even less confusing.  E.g.
>>> 
>>>     Files with changes to be committed:
>>>         new file: foo.c
>>>     Files with changes that won't be committed:
>>>         modified: foo.c
>>> 
>>> might help reduce the confusion.
>>
>> I fear that it can be misparsed as (Files with changes) to be committed.
>> More importantly, I think Matthieu was right earlier: it is not the
>> files but the changes that matter.

Well, I was aiming for the same.  It is not the "files" but the changes
that matter, but what we list are files.  What we want to say here is that
your changes are two kinds, and the ones to be committed appear in these
paths, and the ones to be left behind appear in these paths (that can be
overlapping with the former).

> I second that. Furthermore, keeping it short increase the changes that
> user will actually read the message.

You could do s/Files with/With/ to shorten them.  Or perhaps

    Changes to be committed are in:
        new file: foo.c
    Changes that will be left out are in:
        modified: foo.c

  reply	other threads:[~2010-10-28 23:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-23 16:31 [PATCH 00/11] More consistant terminology ("remote-tracking branch", "not updated") Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 01/10] Better "Changed but not updated" message in git-status Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 18:13   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-23 18:33     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 18:55     ` Jakub Narebski
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 02/10] Remplace "remote tracking" with "remote-tracking" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 18:16   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-23 18:31   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-23 19:01     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 03/10] Change remote tracking to remote-tracking in non-trivial places Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 18:44   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-23 19:04     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 04/10] Change "tracking branch" to "remote-tracking branch" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 18:48   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28  1:55     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 05/10] Change "tracking branch" to "remote-tracking branch" in C code Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 18:51   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-26 22:15     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 06/10] Change incorrect uses of "remote branch" meaning "remote-tracking" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 07/10] Change incorrect "remote branch" to "remote tracking branch" in C code Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 18:58   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-23 19:19     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 08/10] Use 'remote-tracking branch' in generated merge messages Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 19:04   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-23 19:53     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 09/10] user-manual.txt: explain better the remote(-tracking) branch terms Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 19:08   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-23 19:34     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-24 14:47   ` Thore Husfeldt
2010-10-24 15:18     ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-24 23:32     ` Jakub Narebski
2010-10-26  3:11     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-26  4:16       ` Miles Bader
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 10/10] git-branch.txt: mention --set-upstream as a way to change upstream configuration Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 18:55 ` [PATCH 00/11] More consistant terminology ("remote-tracking branch", "not updated") Jakub Narebski
2010-10-23 19:11   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-25 17:30     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] " Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 01/10] Better "Changed but not updated" message in git-status Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 02/10] Replace "remote tracking" with "remote-tracking" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 03/10] Change remote tracking to remote-tracking in non-trivial places Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 04/10] Change "tracking branch" to "remote-tracking branch" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 05/10] Change "tracking branch" to "remote-tracking branch" in C code Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 06/10] Change incorrect uses of "remote branch" meaning "remote-tracking" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 07/10] Change incorrect "remote branch" to "remote tracking branch" in C code Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 08/10] Use 'remote-tracking branch' in generated merge messages Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 09/10] user-manual.txt: explain better the remote(-tracking) branch terms Matthieu Moy
2010-10-26  6:07   ` Jay Soffian
2010-10-26 22:13     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-26  6:20   ` Jay Soffian
2010-10-27  0:01     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-27  0:06       ` [PATCH] " Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 10/10] git-branch.txt: mention --set-upstream as a way to change upstream configuration Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25 17:52 ` [PATCH 00/11] More consistant terminology ("remote-tracking branch", "not updated") Drew Northup
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 00/10 v3] " Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 01/10] Better "Changed but not updated" message in git-status Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 18:35   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28 21:46     ` Junio C Hamano
2010-10-28 22:09       ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28 22:47         ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 23:20           ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2010-10-28 23:39             ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-29 21:06         ` Drew Northup
2010-10-30  4:00           ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 02/10] Replace "remote tracking" with "remote-tracking" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 19:52   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 03/10] Change remote tracking to remote-tracking in non-trivial places Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 18:39   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28 21:50     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 22:13       ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28 22:40         ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-29 17:26           ` Drew Northup
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 04/10] Change "tracking branch" to "remote-tracking branch" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 19:56   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 05/10] Change incorrect uses of "remote branch" meaning "remote-tracking" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 06/10] Change incorrect "remote branch" to "remote tracking branch" in C code Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 19:13   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28 22:34     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 23:23       ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 07/10] Use 'remote-tracking branch' in generated merge messages Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 08/10] user-manual.txt: explain better the remote(-tracking) branch terms Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 19:42   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28 23:40     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 09/10] user-manual: remote-tracking can be checked out, with detached HEAD Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 10/10] git-branch.txt: mention --set-upstream as a way to change upstream configuration Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 20:08   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 00/11 v4] More consistant terminology Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  6:58   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 01/11] Better "Changed but not updated" message in git-status Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 02/11] Replace "remote tracking" with "remote-tracking" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 03/11] Change remote tracking to remote-tracking in non-trivial places Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 04/11] everyday.txt: change "tracking branch" to "remote-tracking branch" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 05/11] Change " Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 06/11] Change incorrect uses of "remote branch" meaning "remote-tracking" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 07/11] Change incorrect "remote branch" to "remote tracking branch" in C code Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 08/11] Use 'remote-tracking branch' in generated merge messages Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 09/11] user-manual.txt: explain better the remote(-tracking) branch terms Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  7:18   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-31 14:57     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 10/11] user-manual: remote-tracking can be checked out, with detached HEAD Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 11/11] git-branch.txt: mention --set-upstream as a way to change upstream configuration Matthieu Moy
2010-11-02 15:31 [PATCH 00/10 v4] More consistant terminology Matthieu Moy
2010-11-02 15:31 ` [PATCH 01/10] Better "Changed but not updated" message in git-status Matthieu Moy

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