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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: deprecation of in-tree builds
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:50:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <80348ec7-4897-a2ab-54a6-2997ee47b598@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200820133023.GD99531@linux.fritz.box>

On 20/08/20 15:30, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> So without that, and also without a mention in deprecated.rst, I don't
> think having mentioned a wish to break things a while ago means that we
> should just follow through with that despite the objections.
> 
> At least this isn't how it has worked for other patch series. If it is
> the new standard, I can remove -drive tomorrow. I've been mentioning for
> years that I don't like it and want to remove it, so people can just
> deal with it.

Come on, you're too smart to say that seriously.  The deprecation policy
only applies to user-visible features, users don't care if ./configure
&& make works.  (There is precedent for that: the switch from "make
subdir-*" to "make */all" was never included in user-visible documentation).

I hate to say this but if the Meson conversion does not land in the next
few days (I will disappear again on Saturday) I'm just going to drop it
on the floor and let people have fun with their Makefiles.

I have already spent the last 3 weeks on it almost full time and I
cannot really justify, to both myself and my employer, spending much
more time on a build system rather than fixing real bugs[1] or doing
shiny new stuff.

Paolo

[1] Though there's plenty of known bugs in the Makefiles that are now fixed.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-08-20 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-21 20:50 deprecation of in-tree builds Peter Maydell
2020-03-21 22:50 ` BALATON Zoltan
2020-03-23 13:32   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-03-24 13:54     ` Eric Blake
2020-08-18 19:14     ` Peter Maydell
2020-08-20 10:54       ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-20 11:14         ` Michael Tokarev
2020-08-20 11:56         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-20 12:00           ` Peter Maydell
2020-08-20 13:30           ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-20 14:10             ` Peter Maydell
2020-08-20 15:50             ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2020-08-20 16:14               ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-20 17:39                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-21  9:55                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-08-20 16:05       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
     [not found] ` <CAL1e-=gKB0qRxGntXrU0im2gjMh1tq_SLGTm+HsmgBRGXQ9+Bg@mail.gmail.com>
2020-03-22 17:20   ` Peter Maydell
2020-03-22 19:51     ` Aleksandar Markovic
2020-03-22 20:14       ` Peter Maydell
2020-03-22 20:45         ` Aleksandar Markovic
2020-03-22 20:46         ` BALATON Zoltan
2020-03-22 21:15           ` Peter Maydell
2020-03-23  0:35             ` BALATON Zoltan
2020-03-23 10:20         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-03-30 13:26 ` Markus Armbruster
2020-03-30 13:31   ` Peter Maydell
2020-03-30 13:42     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-03-30 14:37       ` Kevin Wolf
2020-03-30 17:29         ` Michal Suchánek
2020-03-30 17:36           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-03-30 20:15           ` BALATON Zoltan
2020-03-31  7:48         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-03-31  9:20           ` Liviu Ionescu
2020-03-31 10:19             ` Peter Maydell
2020-03-31 11:46               ` Liviu Ionescu
2020-03-31 12:07                 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-03-31 15:23                   ` Liviu Ionescu
2020-03-31 12:02           ` Kevin Wolf
2020-03-31 12:05             ` Peter Maydell
2020-03-31 12:24               ` Kevin Wolf
2020-03-31 12:32                 ` Peter Maydell
2020-03-31 15:08             ` Eric Blake
2020-03-31 15:20               ` BALATON Zoltan
2020-03-31 15:44                 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-03-31 12:54           ` BALATON Zoltan
2020-03-30 16:25     ` Aleksandar Markovic
2020-03-31  7:15     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-03-31 12:33       ` BALATON Zoltan
2020-03-31 12:50         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-03-31 15:04           ` BALATON Zoltan
2020-03-31 15:23             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-03-31 15:55               ` BALATON Zoltan
2020-03-31 10:38 ` Daniel P. Berrangé

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