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From: Aleksandar Markovic <aleksandar.qemu.devel@gmail.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Aleksandar Markovic <aleksandar.m.mail@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: deprecation of in-tree builds
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 21:45:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHiYmc4V3z5NogeKM0NowCXcL=ny7MsNoQqfRZsX_D3Yv2hNHA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA_hfhusu8n8OXLg=vjiMSw09HVy2zhVr=R2hmGdEQJtew@mail.gmail.com>

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21:14 Ned, 22.03.2020. Peter Maydell
> *Everything* is supposed to work in out of tree builds.
> If it doesn't that's a bug -- unless people report bugs
> we'll never know to fix them. Most developers use out
> of tree builds and all our CI is out of tree builds, so
> they actually get better ad-hoc and CI coverage than
> in-tree. Out-of-tree is overwhelmingly what we build and
> what we test, so it's in-tree that breaks more often and
> where I'd expect to find more things we didn't realise
> were broken.
>
> To be clear, I'm not saying we should pull the rug out
> from anybody. I'm saying:
>  * we should clearly say what our plans are, with a
>    long warning if we can reasonably give longer warning
>  * if there's anything that we would accidentally
>    be breaking with those plans, we should adjust the
>    plans so we don't break things we didn't mean to break
>
> This doesn't seem controversial to me...
>

OK, given all info you presented in last paragraphs and elsewhere - that
seems to have more emphasis on potential adjustments, and the obligatory
condition that nothing breaks - I agree with the approach you spelled out,
or, in other words, agree with introducing deprecation note.

I hope that we all perceive occasional differences in opinions as our value
(and, I even claim, a key to success of any dev community), and not a
nuisance or a danger.

Thanks! :)

Regards,
Aleksandar

> thanks
> -- PMM

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-22 20:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-21 20:50 deprecation of in-tree builds Peter Maydell
2020-03-21 22:50 ` BALATON Zoltan
2020-03-23 13:32   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-03-24 13:54     ` Eric Blake
2020-08-18 19:14     ` Peter Maydell
2020-08-20 10:54       ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-20 11:14         ` Michael Tokarev
2020-08-20 11:56         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-20 12:00           ` Peter Maydell
2020-08-20 13:30           ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-20 14:10             ` Peter Maydell
2020-08-20 15:50             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-20 16:14               ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-20 17:39                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-21  9:55                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-08-20 16:05       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
     [not found] ` <CAL1e-=gKB0qRxGntXrU0im2gjMh1tq_SLGTm+HsmgBRGXQ9+Bg@mail.gmail.com>
2020-03-22 17:20   ` Peter Maydell
2020-03-22 19:51     ` Aleksandar Markovic
2020-03-22 20:14       ` Peter Maydell
2020-03-22 20:45         ` Aleksandar Markovic [this message]
2020-03-22 20:46         ` BALATON Zoltan
2020-03-22 21:15           ` Peter Maydell
2020-03-23  0:35             ` BALATON Zoltan
2020-03-23 10:20         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-03-30 13:26 ` Markus Armbruster
2020-03-30 13:31   ` Peter Maydell
2020-03-30 13:42     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-03-30 14:37       ` Kevin Wolf
2020-03-30 17:29         ` Michal Suchánek
2020-03-30 17:36           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-03-30 20:15           ` BALATON Zoltan
2020-03-31  7:48         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-03-31  9:20           ` Liviu Ionescu
2020-03-31 10:19             ` Peter Maydell
2020-03-31 11:46               ` Liviu Ionescu
2020-03-31 12:07                 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-03-31 15:23                   ` Liviu Ionescu
2020-03-31 12:02           ` Kevin Wolf
2020-03-31 12:05             ` Peter Maydell
2020-03-31 12:24               ` Kevin Wolf
2020-03-31 12:32                 ` Peter Maydell
2020-03-31 15:08             ` Eric Blake
2020-03-31 15:20               ` BALATON Zoltan
2020-03-31 15:44                 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-03-31 12:54           ` BALATON Zoltan
2020-03-30 16:25     ` Aleksandar Markovic
2020-03-31  7:15     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-03-31 12:33       ` BALATON Zoltan
2020-03-31 12:50         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-03-31 15:04           ` BALATON Zoltan
2020-03-31 15:23             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-03-31 15:55               ` BALATON Zoltan
2020-03-31 10:38 ` Daniel P. Berrangé

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