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From: Andrey Ryabinin <aryabinin@virtuozzo.com>
To: Joonsoo Kim <js1304@gmail.com>
Cc: Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
	kasan-dev <kasan-dev@googlegroups.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	<kernel-team@lge.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 00/11] mm/kasan: support per-page shadow memory to reduce memory consumption
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 19:31:53 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <80f2f6f7-0a37-53dc-843e-1adbed4377fa@virtuozzo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170531055047.GA21606@js1304-desktop>

On 05/31/2017 08:50 AM, Joonsoo Kim wrote:
>>> But the main win as I see it is that that's basically complete support
>>> for 32-bit arches. People do ask about arm32 support:
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/kasan-dev/Sk6BsSPMRRc/Gqh4oD_wAAAJ
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/kasan-dev/B22vOFp-QWg/EVJPbrsgAgAJ
>>> and probably mips32 is relevant as well.
>>
>> I don't see how above is relevant for 32-bit arches. Current design
>> is perfectly fine for 32-bit arches. I did some POC arm32 port couple years
>> ago - https://github.com/aryabinin/linux/commits/kasan/arm_v0_1
>> It has some ugly hacks and non-critical bugs. AFAIR it also super-slow because I (mistakenly) 
>> made shadow memory uncached. But otherwise it works.
> 
> Could you explain that where is the code to map shadow memory uncached?
> I don't find anything related to it.
> 

I didn't set set any cache policy (L_PTE_MT_*) on shadow mapping (see set_pte_at() calls )
which means it's L_PTE_MT_UNCACHED 

>>> Such mode does not require a huge continuous address space range, has
>>> minimal memory consumption and requires minimal arch-dependent code.
>>> Works only with outline instrumentation, but I think that's a
>>> reasonable compromise.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>  
>> I don't understand why we trying to invent some hacky/complex schemes when we already have
>> a simple one - scaling shadow to 1/32. It's easy to implement and should be more performant comparing
>> to suggested schemes.
> 
> My approach can co-exist with changing scaling approach. It has it's
> own benefit.
> 
> And, as Dmitry mentioned before, scaling shadow to 1/32 also has downsides,
> expecially for inline instrumentation. And, it requires compiler
> modification and user needs to update their compiler to newer version
> which is not so simple in terms of the user's usability
> 
> Thanks.
> 

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From: Andrey Ryabinin <aryabinin@virtuozzo.com>
To: Joonsoo Kim <js1304@gmail.com>
Cc: Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
	kasan-dev <kasan-dev@googlegroups.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	kernel-team@lge.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 00/11] mm/kasan: support per-page shadow memory to reduce memory consumption
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 19:31:53 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <80f2f6f7-0a37-53dc-843e-1adbed4377fa@virtuozzo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170531055047.GA21606@js1304-desktop>

On 05/31/2017 08:50 AM, Joonsoo Kim wrote:
>>> But the main win as I see it is that that's basically complete support
>>> for 32-bit arches. People do ask about arm32 support:
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/kasan-dev/Sk6BsSPMRRc/Gqh4oD_wAAAJ
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/kasan-dev/B22vOFp-QWg/EVJPbrsgAgAJ
>>> and probably mips32 is relevant as well.
>>
>> I don't see how above is relevant for 32-bit arches. Current design
>> is perfectly fine for 32-bit arches. I did some POC arm32 port couple years
>> ago - https://github.com/aryabinin/linux/commits/kasan/arm_v0_1
>> It has some ugly hacks and non-critical bugs. AFAIR it also super-slow because I (mistakenly) 
>> made shadow memory uncached. But otherwise it works.
> 
> Could you explain that where is the code to map shadow memory uncached?
> I don't find anything related to it.
> 

I didn't set set any cache policy (L_PTE_MT_*) on shadow mapping (see set_pte_at() calls )
which means it's L_PTE_MT_UNCACHED 

>>> Such mode does not require a huge continuous address space range, has
>>> minimal memory consumption and requires minimal arch-dependent code.
>>> Works only with outline instrumentation, but I think that's a
>>> reasonable compromise.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>  
>> I don't understand why we trying to invent some hacky/complex schemes when we already have
>> a simple one - scaling shadow to 1/32. It's easy to implement and should be more performant comparing
>> to suggested schemes.
> 
> My approach can co-exist with changing scaling approach. It has it's
> own benefit.
> 
> And, as Dmitry mentioned before, scaling shadow to 1/32 also has downsides,
> expecially for inline instrumentation. And, it requires compiler
> modification and user needs to update their compiler to newer version
> which is not so simple in terms of the user's usability
> 
> Thanks.
> 

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-31 16:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-16  1:16 [PATCH v1 00/11] mm/kasan: support per-page shadow memory to reduce memory consumption js1304
2017-05-16  1:16 ` js1304
2017-05-16  1:16 ` [PATCH v1 01/11] mm/kasan: rename XXX_is_zero to XXX_is_nonzero js1304
2017-05-16  1:16 ` [PATCH v1 02/11] mm/kasan: don't fetch the next shadow value speculartively js1304
2017-05-16  1:16   ` js1304
2017-05-16  1:16 ` [PATCH v1 03/11] mm/kasan: handle unaligned end address in zero_pte_populate js1304
2017-05-16  1:16   ` js1304
2017-05-16  1:16 ` [PATCH v1 04/11] mm/kasan: extend kasan_populate_zero_shadow() js1304
2017-05-16  1:16   ` js1304
2017-05-16  1:16 ` [PATCH v1 05/11] mm/kasan: introduce per-page shadow memory infrastructure js1304
2017-05-16  1:16   ` js1304
2017-05-16  1:16 ` [PATCH v1 06/11] mm/kasan: mark/unmark the target range that is for original shadow memory js1304
2017-05-16  1:16   ` js1304
2017-05-16  1:16 ` [PATCH v1 07/11] x86/kasan: use per-page " js1304
2017-05-16  1:16   ` js1304
2017-05-16  1:16 ` [PATCH v1 08/11] mm/kasan: support on-demand shadow allocation/mapping js1304
2017-05-16  1:16   ` js1304
2017-05-16  1:16 ` [PATCH v1 09/11] x86/kasan: support on-demand shadow mapping js1304
2017-05-16  1:16   ` js1304
2017-05-16  1:16 ` [PATCH v1 10/11] mm/kasan: support dynamic shadow memory free js1304
2017-05-16  1:16   ` js1304
2017-05-16  1:16 ` [PATCH v1 11/11] mm/kasan: change the order of shadow memory check js1304
2017-05-16  1:16   ` js1304
2017-05-16  1:28 ` [PATCH(RE-RESEND) v1 01/11] mm/kasan: rename _is_zero to _is_nonzero Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-16  1:28   ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-16  4:34 ` [PATCH v1 00/11] mm/kasan: support per-page shadow memory to reduce memory consumption Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-16  4:34   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-16  4:47   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-16  4:47     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-16  6:23   ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-16  6:23     ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-16 20:49     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-16 20:49       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-17  7:23       ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-17  7:23         ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-17  7:25         ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-17  7:25           ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-24  6:57       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-24  6:57         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-24  7:45         ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-24  7:45           ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-24 17:19           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-24 17:19             ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-25  0:41             ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-25  0:41               ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-29 15:07               ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-29 15:07                 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-29 15:12                 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-29 15:12                   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-29 15:29                   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-29 15:29                     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-30  7:58                     ` Vladimir Murzin
2017-05-30  7:58                       ` Vladimir Murzin
2017-05-30  8:15                       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-30  8:15                         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-30  8:31                         ` Vladimir Murzin
2017-05-30  8:31                           ` Vladimir Murzin
2017-05-30  8:40                           ` Vladimir Murzin
2017-05-30  8:40                             ` Vladimir Murzin
2017-05-30  8:49                             ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-30  8:49                               ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-30  9:08                               ` Vladimir Murzin
2017-05-30  9:08                                 ` Vladimir Murzin
2017-05-30  9:26                                 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-30  9:26                                   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-30  9:39                                   ` Vladimir Murzin
2017-05-30  9:39                                     ` Vladimir Murzin
2017-05-30  9:45                                     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-30  9:45                                       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-30  9:54                                       ` Vladimir Murzin
2017-05-30  9:54                                         ` Vladimir Murzin
2017-05-30 14:16                     ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-05-30 14:16                       ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-05-31  5:50                       ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-31  5:50                         ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-31 16:31                         ` Andrey Ryabinin [this message]
2017-05-31 16:31                           ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-06-08  2:43                           ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-06-08  2:43                             ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-06-01 15:16                       ` 王靖天
2017-06-01 18:06                       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-06-01 18:06                         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-06-08  2:40                         ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-06-08  2:40                           ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-06-13 16:49                           ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-06-13 16:49                             ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-06-14  0:12                             ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-06-14  0:12                               ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-17 12:17 ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-05-17 12:17   ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-05-19  1:53   ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-19  1:53     ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-22  6:02     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-22  6:02       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-24  6:04       ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-24  6:04         ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-24 16:31         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-24 16:31           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-05-25  0:46           ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-25  0:46             ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-22 14:00     ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-05-22 14:00       ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-05-24  6:18       ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-05-24  6:18         ` Joonsoo Kim

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