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From: Manikanta Pubbisetty <mpubbise@codeaurora.org>
To: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
Cc: Kalle Valo <kvalo@codeaurora.org>,
	ath10k@lists.infradead.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
	Sebastian Gottschall <s.gottschall@dd-wrt.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ath10k: add dynamic vlan support
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 11:20:17 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <80f8e88e5161f2731e67e1c0e1d7225c@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1534408023.3547.64.camel@sipsolutions.net>

On 2018-08-16 13:57, Johannes Berg wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-08-14 at 18:23 +0530, Manikanta Pubbisetty wrote:
> 
>> > I don't think that makes sense. If we split the capability of AP_VLAN
>> > and AP_VLAN_FOR_4ADDR at the "root", then we don't need to play with all
>> > these things. Yes, this is slightly awkward for userspace, and perhaps
>> > with the interface combination checks, but I'd like you to look at that.
> 
>> I was working on splitting the 4-addr functionality from AP/VLAN 
>> iftype;
>> I have introduced a new iftype NL80211_IFTYPE_AP_4ADDR and moved the
>> 4-addr handling from AP/VLAN to this new iftype. But this approach
>> breaks the backward compatibility with older userspace applications.
> 
> Yeah ...
> 
> I'm confused and no longer sure what I was thinking, nor even what 
> we're
> trying to achieve here...
> 

I had introduced a change db3bdcb9c3ff (" mac80211: allow AP_VLAN 
operation on crypto controlled devices ") for supporting VLAN 
functionality on ath10k devices; this commit has broken 4 addr support 
on ath10k devices as I was advertising the AP/VLAN support 
conditionally. Since 4 addr operation is tied to AP/VLAN support, with 
this change, only the chips which support VLAN functionality can support 
4 addr operation but other ath10k chips don't.

 From what I can understand from our previous discussions, we had to 
separate the 4addr support from the AP/VLAN iftype but doing so could 
lead to backward compatibility issues. I have the code which separates 
the 4addr functionality from AP/VLAN but the bigger problem is the 
backward compatibility.

I am hoping that now I have set the context correctly :)

>> Since I am completely moving the 4-addr handling to the new type, 
>> older
>> applications which do not understand this new type will simply fail 
>> and
>> 4-addr mode will be completely broken.
>> 
>> Currently, whenever a 4-addr client attempts a connection, hostapd 
>> just
>> creates a AP/VLAN interface and moves the 4-addr client to the AP/VLAN
>> iface; there are no other checks. I had no other option other than 
>> going
>> with a new iftype for 4-addr handling.
>> 
>> Is there a way we can maintain backward compatibility with this
>> approach? Retaining the 4-addr handling in AP/VLAN and duplicating the
>> same functionality to the new iftype seems will work but I am not sure
>> if this is the right approach.
> 
> I think we have to keep the 4-addr handling in AP_VLAN iftype either
> way, to not break existing hostapd. We could introduce a separate
> AP_VLAN_NO_4ADDR and then require updating hostapd to get non-4addr
> VLAN, but that also seems awkward.
> 
> Since hostapd doesn't currently check anything...
> 
> Ok, no, I'm confused now. If we just clear WIPHY_FLAG_4ADDR_AP, don't 
> we
> get what we want? 4-addr AP_VLAN interfaces would no longer be 
> permitted
> to be created?

As I explained above, the agenda is to provide the driver (in this case, 
ath10k) a better control for advertising the device capabilities; only 
few ath10k chips can support VLAN functionality but all of them can 
support 4 addr operation.

Manikanta

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From: Manikanta Pubbisetty <mpubbise@codeaurora.org>
To: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
Cc: Sebastian Gottschall <s.gottschall@dd-wrt.com>,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, ath10k@lists.infradead.org,
	Kalle Valo <kvalo@codeaurora.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ath10k: add dynamic vlan support
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 11:20:17 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <80f8e88e5161f2731e67e1c0e1d7225c@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1534408023.3547.64.camel@sipsolutions.net>

On 2018-08-16 13:57, Johannes Berg wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-08-14 at 18:23 +0530, Manikanta Pubbisetty wrote:
> 
>> > I don't think that makes sense. If we split the capability of AP_VLAN
>> > and AP_VLAN_FOR_4ADDR at the "root", then we don't need to play with all
>> > these things. Yes, this is slightly awkward for userspace, and perhaps
>> > with the interface combination checks, but I'd like you to look at that.
> 
>> I was working on splitting the 4-addr functionality from AP/VLAN 
>> iftype;
>> I have introduced a new iftype NL80211_IFTYPE_AP_4ADDR and moved the
>> 4-addr handling from AP/VLAN to this new iftype. But this approach
>> breaks the backward compatibility with older userspace applications.
> 
> Yeah ...
> 
> I'm confused and no longer sure what I was thinking, nor even what 
> we're
> trying to achieve here...
> 

I had introduced a change db3bdcb9c3ff (" mac80211: allow AP_VLAN 
operation on crypto controlled devices ") for supporting VLAN 
functionality on ath10k devices; this commit has broken 4 addr support 
on ath10k devices as I was advertising the AP/VLAN support 
conditionally. Since 4 addr operation is tied to AP/VLAN support, with 
this change, only the chips which support VLAN functionality can support 
4 addr operation but other ath10k chips don't.

 From what I can understand from our previous discussions, we had to 
separate the 4addr support from the AP/VLAN iftype but doing so could 
lead to backward compatibility issues. I have the code which separates 
the 4addr functionality from AP/VLAN but the bigger problem is the 
backward compatibility.

I am hoping that now I have set the context correctly :)

>> Since I am completely moving the 4-addr handling to the new type, 
>> older
>> applications which do not understand this new type will simply fail 
>> and
>> 4-addr mode will be completely broken.
>> 
>> Currently, whenever a 4-addr client attempts a connection, hostapd 
>> just
>> creates a AP/VLAN interface and moves the 4-addr client to the AP/VLAN
>> iface; there are no other checks. I had no other option other than 
>> going
>> with a new iftype for 4-addr handling.
>> 
>> Is there a way we can maintain backward compatibility with this
>> approach? Retaining the 4-addr handling in AP/VLAN and duplicating the
>> same functionality to the new iftype seems will work but I am not sure
>> if this is the right approach.
> 
> I think we have to keep the 4-addr handling in AP_VLAN iftype either
> way, to not break existing hostapd. We could introduce a separate
> AP_VLAN_NO_4ADDR and then require updating hostapd to get non-4addr
> VLAN, but that also seems awkward.
> 
> Since hostapd doesn't currently check anything...
> 
> Ok, no, I'm confused now. If we just clear WIPHY_FLAG_4ADDR_AP, don't 
> we
> get what we want? 4-addr AP_VLAN interfaces would no longer be 
> permitted
> to be created?

As I explained above, the agenda is to provide the driver (in this case, 
ath10k) a better control for advertising the device capabilities; only 
few ath10k chips can support VLAN functionality but all of them can 
support 4 addr operation.

Manikanta

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Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-20 13:57 [PATCH] ath10k: add dynamic vlan support Manikanta Pubbisetty
2018-04-20 13:57 ` Manikanta Pubbisetty
2018-04-23 19:18 ` Sebastian Gottschall
2018-04-23 19:18   ` Sebastian Gottschall
2018-05-18  9:53   ` Johannes Berg
2018-05-18  9:53     ` Johannes Berg
2018-05-18 10:40     ` Sebastian Gottschall
2018-05-18 10:40       ` Sebastian Gottschall
2018-04-24  8:09 ` Kalle Valo
2018-04-24  8:09   ` Kalle Valo
2018-04-24  9:09   ` Sebastian Gottschall
2018-04-24  9:09     ` Sebastian Gottschall
2018-04-24  9:18     ` Manikanta Pubbisetty
2018-04-24  9:18       ` Manikanta Pubbisetty
2018-04-24  9:52     ` Kalle Valo
2018-04-24  9:52       ` Kalle Valo
2018-04-24  9:55       ` Sebastian Gottschall
2018-04-24  9:55         ` Sebastian Gottschall
2018-05-04  6:50     ` Manikanta Pubbisetty
2018-05-04  6:50       ` Manikanta Pubbisetty
2018-05-05  9:50       ` Sebastian Gottschall
2018-05-05  9:50         ` Sebastian Gottschall
2018-05-18  9:54       ` Johannes Berg
2018-05-18  9:54         ` Johannes Berg
2018-05-18 10:52         ` Sebastian Gottschall
2018-05-18 10:52           ` Sebastian Gottschall
2018-05-21  6:42         ` Manikanta Pubbisetty
2018-05-21  6:42           ` Manikanta Pubbisetty
2018-05-23  9:50           ` Johannes Berg
2018-05-23  9:50             ` Johannes Berg
2018-05-23 10:39             ` Manikanta Pubbisetty
2018-05-23 10:39               ` Manikanta Pubbisetty
2018-05-23 10:39               ` Johannes Berg
2018-05-23 10:39                 ` Johannes Berg
2018-05-23 10:50                 ` Manikanta Pubbisetty
2018-05-23 10:50                   ` Manikanta Pubbisetty
2018-05-24  4:41                 ` Sebastian Gottschall
2018-05-24  4:41                   ` Sebastian Gottschall
2018-06-18 20:49                   ` Johannes Berg
2018-06-18 20:49                     ` Johannes Berg
2018-08-14 12:53             ` Manikanta Pubbisetty
2018-08-14 12:53               ` Manikanta Pubbisetty
2018-08-16  8:27               ` Johannes Berg
2018-08-16  8:27                 ` Johannes Berg
2018-08-24  5:50                 ` Manikanta Pubbisetty [this message]
2018-08-24  5:50                   ` Manikanta Pubbisetty
2018-09-03 10:39                   ` Johannes Berg
2018-09-03 10:39                     ` Johannes Berg
2018-09-05  6:03                     ` Manikanta Pubbisetty
2018-09-05  6:03                       ` Manikanta Pubbisetty
     [not found]                 ` <15ca06c2-0d43-99c1-8f31-19e73629ab70@codeaurora.org>
2018-08-24  8:14                   ` Kalle Valo
2018-08-24  8:14                     ` Kalle Valo

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