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From: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Serge Guelton <sguelton@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Portable inline asm to get address of TLS variable
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 12:54:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8735k1q452.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Yg4VV+VFe3Bc1BQ6@stefanha-x1.localdomain> (Stefan Hajnoczi's message of "Thu, 17 Feb 2022 09:28:55 +0000")

* Stefan Hajnoczi:

>> But going against ABI and toolchain in this way is really no long-term
>> solution.  You need to switch to stackless co-routines, or we need to
>> provide proper ABI-level support for this.  Today it's the thread
>> pointer, tomorrow it's the shadow stack pointer, and the day after that,
>> it's the SafeStack pointer.  And further down the road, it's some thread
>> state for garbage collection support.  Or something like that.
>
> Yes, understood :(. This does feel like solving an undefined behavior
> problem by adding more undefined behavior on top!
>
> Stackless coroutines have been tried in the past using Continuation
> Passing C (https://github.com/kerneis/cpc). Ideally we'd use a solution
> built into the compiler though. I'm concerned that CPC might not be
> supported or available everywhere QEMU needs to run now and in the
> future.

That seems to be require an entirely different toolchain (based on CIL).
It's one way to solve the ABI issues, but perhaps not the direction
you want to go in.

> I took a quick look at C++20 coroutines since they are available in
> compilers but the primitives look hard to use even from C++, let alone
> from C.

Could you go into details what makes them hard to use?  Is it because
coroutines are infectious across the call stack?

Thanks,
Florian



  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-03-01 11:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-16 17:46 Portable inline asm to get address of TLS variable Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-02-16 18:13 ` Florian Weimer
2022-02-16 20:28   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-02-16 20:33     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-02-16 20:46       ` Florian Weimer
2022-02-17  9:30         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-02-16 20:40     ` Florian Weimer
2022-02-17  9:28       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-02-17 11:40         ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-02-17 15:02           ` Serge Guelton
2022-02-17 15:11             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-02-17 15:51             ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-02-17 14:59         ` Serge Guelton
2022-03-01 11:54         ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2022-03-01 13:39           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-19 11:32             ` Florian Weimer
2022-04-19 18:38               ` Thomas Rodgers
2022-04-20 14:12               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-02-16 22:28 ` Paolo Bonzini

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