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From: Felipe Balbi <felipe.balbi@linux.intel.com>
To: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
	Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@lip6.fr>
Cc: linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org, joe@perches.com,
	kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org,
	Sergei Shtylyov <sergei.shtylyov@cogentembedded.com>,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-can@vger.kernel.org,
	Tatyana Nikolova <tatyana.e.nikolova@intel.com>,
	Shiraz Saleem <shiraz.saleem@intel.com>,
	Mustafa Ismail <mustafa.ismail@intel.com>,
	Chien Tin Tung <chien.tin.tung@intel.com>,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	devel@driverdev.osuosl.org, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>,
	tpmdd-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-spi@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/26] constify local structures
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:43:58 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877fah5j35.fsf@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160912131625.GD957@intel.com>

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Hi,

Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com> writes:
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:54:07AM +0200, Julia Lawall wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2016, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>> 
>> > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 03:05:42PM +0200, Julia Lawall wrote:
>> > > Constify local structures.
>> > >
>> > > The semantic patch that makes this change is as follows:
>> > > (http://coccinelle.lip6.fr/)
>> >
>> > Just my two cents but:
>> >
>> > 1. You *can* use a static analysis too to find bugs or other issues.
>> > 2. However, you should manually do the commits and proper commit
>> >    messages to subsystems based on your findings. And I generally think
>> >    that if one contributes code one should also at least smoke test changes
>> >    somehow.
>> >
>> > I don't know if I'm alone with my opinion. I just think that one should
>> > also do the analysis part and not blindly create and submit patches.
>> 
>> All of the patches are compile tested.  And the individual patches are
>
> Compile-testing is not testing. If you are not able to test a commit,
> you should explain why.

Dude, Julia has been doing semantic patching for years already and
nobody has raised any concerns so far. There's already an expectation
that Coccinelle *works* and Julia's sematic patches are sound.

Besides, adding 'const' is something that causes virtually no functional
changes to the point that build-testing is really all you need. Any
problems caused by adding 'const' to a definition will be seen by build
errors or warnings.

Really, just stop with the pointless discussion and go read a bit about
Coccinelle and what semantic patches are giving you. The work done by
Julia and her peers are INRIA have measurable benefits.

You're really making a thunderstorm in a glass of water.

-- 
balbi

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From: Felipe Balbi <felipe.balbi@linux.intel.com>
To: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
	Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@lip6.fr>
Cc: linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org, joe@perches.com,
	kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org,
	Sergei Shtylyov <sergei.shtylyov@cogentembedded.com>,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-can@vger.kernel.org,
	Tatyana Nikolova <tatyana.e.nikolova@intel.com>,
	Shiraz Saleem <shiraz.saleem@intel.com>,
	Mustafa Ismail <mustafa.ismail@intel.com>,
	Chien Tin Tung <chien.tin.tung@intel.com>,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	devel@driverdev.osuosl.org, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>,
	tpmdd-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-spi@vger.kernel.orgl
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/26] constify local structures
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:43:58 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877fah5j35.fsf@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160912131625.GD957@intel.com>

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Hi,

Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com> writes:
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:54:07AM +0200, Julia Lawall wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2016, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>> 
>> > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 03:05:42PM +0200, Julia Lawall wrote:
>> > > Constify local structures.
>> > >
>> > > The semantic patch that makes this change is as follows:
>> > > (http://coccinelle.lip6.fr/)
>> >
>> > Just my two cents but:
>> >
>> > 1. You *can* use a static analysis too to find bugs or other issues.
>> > 2. However, you should manually do the commits and proper commit
>> >    messages to subsystems based on your findings. And I generally think
>> >    that if one contributes code one should also at least smoke test changes
>> >    somehow.
>> >
>> > I don't know if I'm alone with my opinion. I just think that one should
>> > also do the analysis part and not blindly create and submit patches.
>> 
>> All of the patches are compile tested.  And the individual patches are
>
> Compile-testing is not testing. If you are not able to test a commit,
> you should explain why.

Dude, Julia has been doing semantic patching for years already and
nobody has raised any concerns so far. There's already an expectation
that Coccinelle *works* and Julia's sematic patches are sound.

Besides, adding 'const' is something that causes virtually no functional
changes to the point that build-testing is really all you need. Any
problems caused by adding 'const' to a definition will be seen by build
errors or warnings.

Really, just stop with the pointless discussion and go read a bit about
Coccinelle and what semantic patches are giving you. The work done by
Julia and her peers are INRIA have measurable benefits.

You're really making a thunderstorm in a glass of water.

-- 
balbi

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From: Felipe Balbi <felipe.balbi@linux.intel.com>
To: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
	Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@lip6.fr>
Cc: linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org, joe@perches.com,
	kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org,
	Sergei Shtylyov <sergei.shtylyov@cogentembedded.com>,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-can@vger.kernel.org,
	Tatyana Nikolova <tatyana.e.nikolova@intel.com>,
	Shiraz Saleem <shiraz.saleem@intel.com>,
	Mustafa Ismail <mustafa.ismail@intel.com>,
	Chien Tin Tung <chien.tin.tung@intel.com>,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	devel@driverdev.osuosl.org, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>,
	tpmdd-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-spi@vger.kernel.org, l
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/26] constify local structures
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:43:58 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877fah5j35.fsf@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160912131625.GD957@intel.com>

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Hi,

Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com> writes:
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:54:07AM +0200, Julia Lawall wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2016, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>> 
>> > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 03:05:42PM +0200, Julia Lawall wrote:
>> > > Constify local structures.
>> > >
>> > > The semantic patch that makes this change is as follows:
>> > > (http://coccinelle.lip6.fr/)
>> >
>> > Just my two cents but:
>> >
>> > 1. You *can* use a static analysis too to find bugs or other issues.
>> > 2. However, you should manually do the commits and proper commit
>> >    messages to subsystems based on your findings. And I generally think
>> >    that if one contributes code one should also at least smoke test changes
>> >    somehow.
>> >
>> > I don't know if I'm alone with my opinion. I just think that one should
>> > also do the analysis part and not blindly create and submit patches.
>> 
>> All of the patches are compile tested.  And the individual patches are
>
> Compile-testing is not testing. If you are not able to test a commit,
> you should explain why.

Dude, Julia has been doing semantic patching for years already and
nobody has raised any concerns so far. There's already an expectation
that Coccinelle *works* and Julia's sematic patches are sound.

Besides, adding 'const' is something that causes virtually no functional
changes to the point that build-testing is really all you need. Any
problems caused by adding 'const' to a definition will be seen by build
errors or warnings.

Really, just stop with the pointless discussion and go read a bit about
Coccinelle and what semantic patches are giving you. The work done by
Julia and her peers are INRIA have measurable benefits.

You're really making a thunderstorm in a glass of water.

-- 
balbi

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From: Felipe Balbi <felipe.balbi@linux.intel.com>
To: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
	Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@lip6.fr>
Cc: linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org, joe@perches.com,
	kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org,
	Sergei Shtylyov <sergei.shtylyov@cogentembedded.com>,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-can@vger.kernel.org,
	Tatyana Nikolova <tatyana.e.nikolova@intel.com>,
	Shiraz Saleem <shiraz.saleem@intel.com>,
	Mustafa Ismail <mustafa.ismail@intel.com>,
	Chien Tin Tung <chien.tin.tung@intel.com>,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	devel@driverdev.osuosl.org, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>,
	tpmdd-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-spi@vger.kernel.orgl
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/26] constify local structures
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 13:43:58 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877fah5j35.fsf@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160912131625.GD957@intel.com>

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Hi,

Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com> writes:
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:54:07AM +0200, Julia Lawall wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2016, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>> 
>> > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 03:05:42PM +0200, Julia Lawall wrote:
>> > > Constify local structures.
>> > >
>> > > The semantic patch that makes this change is as follows:
>> > > (http://coccinelle.lip6.fr/)
>> >
>> > Just my two cents but:
>> >
>> > 1. You *can* use a static analysis too to find bugs or other issues.
>> > 2. However, you should manually do the commits and proper commit
>> >    messages to subsystems based on your findings. And I generally think
>> >    that if one contributes code one should also at least smoke test changes
>> >    somehow.
>> >
>> > I don't know if I'm alone with my opinion. I just think that one should
>> > also do the analysis part and not blindly create and submit patches.
>> 
>> All of the patches are compile tested.  And the individual patches are
>
> Compile-testing is not testing. If you are not able to test a commit,
> you should explain why.

Dude, Julia has been doing semantic patching for years already and
nobody has raised any concerns so far. There's already an expectation
that Coccinelle *works* and Julia's sematic patches are sound.

Besides, adding 'const' is something that causes virtually no functional
changes to the point that build-testing is really all you need. Any
problems caused by adding 'const' to a definition will be seen by build
errors or warnings.

Really, just stop with the pointless discussion and go read a bit about
Coccinelle and what semantic patches are giving you. The work done by
Julia and her peers are INRIA have measurable benefits.

You're really making a thunderstorm in a glass of water.

-- 
balbi

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-09-12 13:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-11 13:05 [PATCH 00/26] constify local structures Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05 ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05 ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05 ` [PATCH 01/26] ALSA: pci: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12  6:19   ` Takashi Iwai
2016-09-12  6:19     ` Takashi Iwai
2016-09-12  6:19     ` Takashi Iwai
2016-09-11 13:05 ` [PATCH 02/26] lib: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05 ` [PATCH 03/26] staging: rtl8192e: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05 ` [PATCH 04/26] matroxfb: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-27  8:14   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-09-27  8:14     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-09-11 13:05 ` [PATCH 05/26] ARCNET: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 12:31   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 12:31     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05 ` [PATCH 06/26] ath: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-14 17:02   ` [06/26] " Kalle Valo
2016-09-14 17:02     ` Kalle Valo
2016-09-11 13:05 ` [PATCH 07/26] net/mlx4_core: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12  4:59   ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-09-12  4:59     ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-09-11 13:05 ` [PATCH 08/26] iwlegacy: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 11:24   ` Stanislaw Gruszka
2016-09-12 11:24     ` Stanislaw Gruszka
     [not found] ` <1473599168-30561-1-git-send-email-Julia.Lawall-L2FTfq7BK8M@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-11 13:05   ` [PATCH 09/26] i40iw: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05 ` [PATCH 10/26] tpm: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 17:09   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-11 17:09     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-11 17:09     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-12  8:47     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12  8:47       ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 19:27   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-12 19:27     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-12 19:27     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-11 13:05 ` [PATCH 11/26] can: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 12:33   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 12:33     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05 ` [PATCH 12/26] [SCSI] hptiop: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 12:35   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 12:35     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05 ` [PATCH 13/26] [media]: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05 ` [PATCH 14/26] spi: dw-pci: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 12:01   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 12:01     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 12:01     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05 ` [PATCH 15/26] platform/chrome: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05 ` [PATCH 16/26] ezusb: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05 ` [PATCH 17/26] intel_telemetry_debugfs: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:05   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-28 23:52   ` Darren Hart
2016-09-28 23:52     ` Darren Hart
2016-09-29  5:19     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-29  5:19       ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-30  0:07       ` Darren Hart
2016-09-30  0:07         ` Darren Hart
2016-09-11 13:06 ` [PATCH 18/26] intel_scu_ipc: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:06   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 12:37   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 12:37     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:06 ` [PATCH 19/26] intel_pstate: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:06   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12  6:42   ` Viresh Kumar
2016-09-12  6:54     ` Viresh Kumar
2016-09-14  0:59     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-09-14  0:59       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-09-11 13:06 ` [PATCH 20/26] stmmac: pci: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:06   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 12:08   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 12:08     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:06 ` [PATCH 21/26] rtlwifi: rtl818x: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:06   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:06   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:06 ` [PATCH 22/26] esas2r: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:06   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:06 ` [PATCH 23/26] sh_eth: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:06   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 18:14   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2016-09-11 18:14     ` Sergei Shtylyov
2016-09-12  8:55     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12  8:55       ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12  9:43     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12  9:43       ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:06 ` [PATCH 24/26] ACPI / APD: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:06   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-14  0:54   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-09-14  0:54     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-09-11 13:06 ` [PATCH 25/26] pch_gbe: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:06   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12  2:48   ` David Miller
2016-09-12  2:48     ` David Miller
2016-09-12  9:07     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12  9:07       ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 16:33       ` David Miller
2016-09-12 16:33         ` David Miller
2016-09-12 12:25   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 12:25     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:06 ` [PATCH 26/26] sgi-xp: " Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 13:06   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 17:21 ` [PATCH 00/26] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-11 17:21   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-11 17:21   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-12  8:54   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12  8:54     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12  8:54     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 13:16     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-12 13:16       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-12 13:16       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-12 13:16       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-12 13:23       ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 13:23         ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 13:23         ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 13:43       ` Felipe Balbi [this message]
2016-09-12 13:43         ` Felipe Balbi
2016-09-12 13:43         ` Felipe Balbi
2016-09-12 13:43         ` Felipe Balbi
2016-09-12 13:52         ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 13:52           ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 13:52           ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 18:50           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-12 18:50             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-12 18:50             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-12 18:50             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-12 13:57         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-09-12 13:57           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-09-12 13:57           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-09-12 13:57           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-09-12 20:14         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-12 20:14           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-12 20:14           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-12 21:11           ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 21:11             ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 21:11             ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-12 21:11             ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 17:56 ` Joe Perches
2016-09-11 17:56   ` Joe Perches
2016-09-11 17:56   ` Joe Perches
2016-09-11 19:11   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 19:11     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-11 19:11     ` Julia Lawall

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