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From: Kevin Hilman <khilman@linaro.org>
To: Russ Dill <russ.dill@gmail.com>
Cc: Santosh Shilimkar <santosh.shilimkar@ti.com>,
	Ohad Ben-Cohen <ohad@wizery.com>, Paul Walmsley <paul@pwsan.com>,
	Suman Anna <s-anna@ti.com>, Dave Gerlach <d-gerlach@ti.com>,
	Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>,
	Vaibhav Bedia <vaibhav.bedia@ti.com>,
	linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv3 2/9] ARM: OMAP2+: AM33XX: control: Add some control module registers and APIs
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:11:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bo51jtiu.fsf@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+Bv8Xbg9v4zRy-EJPsxwCdwpSy50V8SjwQfmAvVxiCR=6mYBw@mail.gmail.com> (Russ Dill's message of "Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:30:40 -0700")

Russ Dill <russ.dill@gmail.com> writes:

>>>> ARM world is also moving towards that by standardizing some of these
>>>> through (read PSCI) and thats the way to go in general.
>>>
>>> Agreed, but I'm not sure (yet) about enforcing PSCI on legacy platforms
>>> that don't support it natively.  Are you saying that the AM33xx firmware
>>> should be converted to be PSCI compliant?  Admittedly, I haven't read
>>> the PSCI spec closely, but I'm wondering if the current role splitting
>>> between MPU and M3 fits well with PSCI.
>>>
>> I didn't mean for the AM3XXX specifically because its current job is rather
>> very limited. i.e suspend. My concern is that IPC is not viewed as
>> an option for power management controllers like M3 which can abstract
>> all the hardware gory details and export a simpled interface for OS
>> in form of PSCI/ACPI.
>
> The IPC between the M3 and the A8 on the am335x is just a pair of
> notification mechanisms (one from the A8, mailbox, and one from the
> M3, sev) and a set of 8 32 bit registers. The 8 32 bit registers are
> just a scratchpad and have no access rules or functionality beyond
> being a scratchpad. How complicated do we want to make this?

The OMAP IPC between the MPU and DSP (read: any other remote processor)
is just a mailbox and some shared memory.  No complicated, and works
with remoteproc/rpmsg.

What's more complicated? reusing existing frameworks or re-inventing
them?  Don't forget that "simple" drivers rarely stay that way.

Also, this is not a hard stance on my part.  I just need to be
convinced.  

The fact is that there are existing frameworks for doing what is being
proposed here.  Either use the existing frameworks, or make a technical
argument based on why those frameworks are not a good fit (ideally,
after having tried to use those frameworks.)

Once again, I'm pretty sure I mentioned this in earlier reviews of this
series.

Kevin

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: khilman@linaro.org (Kevin Hilman)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCHv3 2/9] ARM: OMAP2+: AM33XX: control: Add some control module registers and APIs
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:11:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bo51jtiu.fsf@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+Bv8Xbg9v4zRy-EJPsxwCdwpSy50V8SjwQfmAvVxiCR=6mYBw@mail.gmail.com> (Russ Dill's message of "Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:30:40 -0700")

Russ Dill <russ.dill@gmail.com> writes:

>>>> ARM world is also moving towards that by standardizing some of these
>>>> through (read PSCI) and thats the way to go in general.
>>>
>>> Agreed, but I'm not sure (yet) about enforcing PSCI on legacy platforms
>>> that don't support it natively.  Are you saying that the AM33xx firmware
>>> should be converted to be PSCI compliant?  Admittedly, I haven't read
>>> the PSCI spec closely, but I'm wondering if the current role splitting
>>> between MPU and M3 fits well with PSCI.
>>>
>> I didn't mean for the AM3XXX specifically because its current job is rather
>> very limited. i.e suspend. My concern is that IPC is not viewed as
>> an option for power management controllers like M3 which can abstract
>> all the hardware gory details and export a simpled interface for OS
>> in form of PSCI/ACPI.
>
> The IPC between the M3 and the A8 on the am335x is just a pair of
> notification mechanisms (one from the A8, mailbox, and one from the
> M3, sev) and a set of 8 32 bit registers. The 8 32 bit registers are
> just a scratchpad and have no access rules or functionality beyond
> being a scratchpad. How complicated do we want to make this?

The OMAP IPC between the MPU and DSP (read: any other remote processor)
is just a mailbox and some shared memory.  No complicated, and works
with remoteproc/rpmsg.

What's more complicated? reusing existing frameworks or re-inventing
them?  Don't forget that "simple" drivers rarely stay that way.

Also, this is not a hard stance on my part.  I just need to be
convinced.  

The fact is that there are existing frameworks for doing what is being
proposed here.  Either use the existing frameworks, or make a technical
argument based on why those frameworks are not a good fit (ideally,
after having tried to use those frameworks.)

Once again, I'm pretty sure I mentioned this in earlier reviews of this
series.

Kevin

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-08-13 19:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 212+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-06 17:49 [PATCHv3 0/9] ARM: OMAP2+: AM33XX: Add suspend-resume support Dave Gerlach
2013-08-06 17:49 ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-06 17:49 ` [PATCHv3 1/9] memory: emif: Move EMIF register defines to include/linux/ Dave Gerlach
2013-08-06 17:49   ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-08  0:48   ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08  0:48     ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08 13:35   ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 13:35     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-12 19:32     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-08-12 19:32       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-08-12 19:33       ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-12 19:33         ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-06 17:49 ` [PATCHv3 2/9] ARM: OMAP2+: AM33XX: control: Add some control module registers and APIs Dave Gerlach
2013-08-06 17:49   ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-08  0:52   ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08  0:52     ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08 13:44   ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 13:44     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 16:16     ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-08 16:16       ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-09  5:11       ` Tony Lindgren
2013-08-09  5:11         ` Tony Lindgren
2013-08-09 20:55         ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-09 20:55           ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-12  7:54           ` Tony Lindgren
2013-08-12  7:54             ` Tony Lindgren
2013-08-12 19:17           ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-12 19:17             ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-12 21:40             ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-12 21:40               ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-13 14:29               ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-13 14:29                 ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-13 15:08                 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-13 15:08                   ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-13 16:19                   ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-13 16:19                     ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-13 18:18                     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-13 18:18                       ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-13 18:30                       ` Russ Dill
2013-08-13 18:30                         ` Russ Dill
2013-08-13 18:40                         ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-13 18:40                           ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-13 19:11                         ` Kevin Hilman [this message]
2013-08-13 19:11                           ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-14 17:27                           ` Suman Anna
2013-08-14 17:27                             ` Suman Anna
2013-08-14 19:16                             ` Russ Dill
2013-08-14 19:16                               ` Russ Dill
2013-08-20 23:39                             ` Paul Walmsley
2013-08-20 23:39                               ` Paul Walmsley
2013-08-21 17:32                               ` Suman Anna
2013-08-21 17:32                                 ` Suman Anna
2013-08-06 17:49 ` [PATCHv3 3/9] ARM: OMAP: DTB: Update IRQ data for WKUP_M3 Dave Gerlach
2013-08-06 17:49   ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-08  0:53   ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08  0:53     ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08 13:46   ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 13:46     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-06 17:49 ` [PATCHv3 4/9] ARM: OMAP2+: AM33XX: Reserve memory to comply with EMIF spec Dave Gerlach
2013-08-06 17:49   ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-08  2:30   ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08  2:30     ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08 14:19   ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 14:19     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 18:16   ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-08 18:16     ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-08 19:31     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 19:31       ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 20:05       ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-08 20:05         ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-08 20:11         ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 20:11           ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-09 15:11           ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-09 15:11             ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-09 16:25             ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-09 16:25               ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-06 17:49 ` [PATCHv3 5/9] ARM: OMAP2+: AM33XX: Add assembly code for PM operations Dave Gerlach
2013-08-06 17:49   ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-08  7:02   ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08  7:02     ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08 14:50   ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 14:50     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 15:16     ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08 15:16       ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08 15:22       ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 15:22         ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 16:03         ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08 16:03           ` Russ Dill
2013-08-19 12:54   ` Gururaja Hebbar
2013-08-19 12:54     ` Gururaja Hebbar
2013-08-19 17:51     ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-19 17:51       ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-06 17:49 ` [PATCHv3 6/9] ARM: OMAP2+: timer: Add suspend-resume callbacks for clkevent device Dave Gerlach
2013-08-06 17:49   ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-08  7:03   ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08  7:03     ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08 14:23   ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 14:23     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 16:09     ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-08 16:09       ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-08 18:25   ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-08 18:25     ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-08 19:49     ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-08 19:49       ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-06 17:49 ` [PATCHv3 7/9] ARM: OMAP: omap_device: Add APIs to enable and idle hwmods Dave Gerlach
2013-08-06 17:49   ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-08  7:05   ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08  7:05     ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08 14:26   ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 14:26     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-06 17:49 ` [PATCHv3 8/9] ARM: OMAP2+: AM33XX: Basic suspend resume support Dave Gerlach
2013-08-06 17:49   ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-07 16:22   ` Nishanth Menon
2013-08-07 16:22     ` Nishanth Menon
2013-08-07 18:12     ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-07 18:12       ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-07 19:16       ` Nishanth Menon
2013-08-07 19:16         ` Nishanth Menon
2013-08-08  8:45   ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08  8:45     ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08 12:26     ` Nishanth Menon
2013-08-08 12:26       ` Nishanth Menon
2013-08-08 15:03       ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 15:03         ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 16:06         ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-08 16:06           ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-08 16:22           ` Nishanth Menon
2013-08-08 16:22             ` Nishanth Menon
2013-08-08 21:14           ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-08 21:14             ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-08 21:32             ` Nishanth Menon
2013-08-08 21:32               ` Nishanth Menon
2013-08-08 23:04               ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-08 23:04                 ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-09 15:11                 ` Nishanth Menon
2013-08-09 15:11                   ` Nishanth Menon
2013-08-09 16:12                   ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-09 16:12                     ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-09 16:36                     ` Nishanth Menon
2013-08-09 16:36                       ` Nishanth Menon
2013-08-09 20:34                       ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-09 20:34                         ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-09 21:35                         ` Nishanth Menon
2013-08-09 21:35                           ` Nishanth Menon
2013-08-09 22:28                         ` Russ Dill
2013-08-09 22:28                           ` Russ Dill
2013-08-12 16:09                           ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-12 16:09                             ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-30 17:29                 ` Vaibhav Bedia
2013-08-30 17:29                   ` Vaibhav Bedia
2013-08-20 22:48             ` Paul Walmsley
2013-08-20 22:48               ` Paul Walmsley
2013-08-23 14:56               ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-23 14:56                 ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-13  7:43   ` Russ Dill
2013-08-13  7:43     ` Russ Dill
2013-08-13 14:59     ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-13 14:59       ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-27 21:45   ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-27 21:45     ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-29 21:41     ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-29 21:41       ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-29 22:02       ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-29 22:02         ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-30 17:39     ` Vaibhav Bedia
2013-08-30 17:39       ` Vaibhav Bedia
2013-08-30 21:18       ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-30 21:18         ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-06 17:49 ` [PATCHv3 9/9] ARM: OMAP2+: AM33XX: Hookup AM33XX PM code into OMAP builds Dave Gerlach
2013-08-06 17:49   ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-08  8:47   ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08  8:47     ` Russ Dill
2013-08-08 14:53   ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 14:53     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 13:31 ` [PATCHv3 0/9] ARM: OMAP2+: AM33XX: Add suspend-resume support Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-08 13:31   ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-08-11 11:53 ` Daniel Mack
2013-08-11 11:53   ` Daniel Mack
2013-08-12 18:59   ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-12 18:59     ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-13 12:39     ` Daniel Mack
2013-08-13 12:39       ` Daniel Mack
2013-08-13 15:33       ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-13 15:33         ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-13 15:51         ` Daniel Mack
2013-08-13 15:51           ` Daniel Mack
2013-08-19  9:23 ` Gururaja Hebbar
2013-08-19  9:23   ` Gururaja Hebbar
2013-08-19 17:47   ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-19 17:47     ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-27 20:23     ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-27 20:23       ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-29 21:30       ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-29 21:30         ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-29 21:52         ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-29 21:52           ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-29 22:20           ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-29 22:20             ` Dave Gerlach
2013-08-29 22:20         ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-29 22:20           ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-29 22:43           ` Russ Dill
2013-08-29 22:43             ` Russ Dill
2013-08-29 23:02             ` Kevin Hilman
2013-08-29 23:02               ` Kevin Hilman
2013-09-03 17:24               ` Dave Gerlach
2013-09-03 17:24                 ` Dave Gerlach
2013-09-04 15:01                 ` Kevin Hilman
2013-09-04 15:01                   ` Kevin Hilman
2013-09-04 15:12                   ` Russ Dill
2013-09-04 15:12                     ` Russ Dill
2013-09-04 15:18                     ` Kevin Hilman
2013-09-04 15:18                       ` Kevin Hilman

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