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From: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, dm-devel@redhat.com,
	Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Ondrej Kozina <okozina@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [dm-devel] [RFC PATCH 2/2] mm, mempool: do not throttle PF_LESS_THROTTLE tasks
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 07:33:19 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87eg6e4vhc.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160727182411.GE21859@dhcp22.suse.cz>

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On Thu, Jul 28 2016, Michal Hocko wrote:

> On Wed 27-07-16 13:43:35, NeilBrown wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 25 2016, Michal Hocko wrote:
>> 
>> > On Sat 23-07-16 10:12:24, NeilBrown wrote:
> [...]
>> So should there be a limit on dirty
>> pages in the swap cache just like there is for dirty pages in any
>> filesystem (the max_dirty_ratio thing) ??
>> Maybe there is?
>
> There is no limit AFAIK. We are relying that the reclaim is throttled
> when necessary.

Is that a bit indirect?  It is hard to tell without a clear big-picture.
Something to keep in mind anyway.

>
>> I think we'd end up with cleaner code if we removed the cute-hacks.  And
>> we'd be able to use 6 more GFP flags!!  (though I do wonder if we really
>> need all those 26).
>
> Well, maybe we are able to remove those hacks, I wouldn't definitely
> be opposed.  But right now I am not even convinced that the mempool
> specific gfp flags is the right way to go.

I'm not suggesting a mempool-specific gfp flag.  I'm suggesting a
transient-allocation gfp flag, which would be quite useful for mempool.

Can you give more details on why using a gfp flag isn't your first choice
for guiding what happens when the system is trying to get a free page
:-?

Thanks,
NeilBrown

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-27 21:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-18  8:39 [RFC PATCH 0/2] mempool vs. page allocator interaction Michal Hocko
2016-07-18  8:39 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-18  8:41 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] mempool: do not consume memory reserves from the reclaim path Michal Hocko
2016-07-18  8:41   ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-18  8:41   ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] mm, mempool: do not throttle PF_LESS_THROTTLE tasks Michal Hocko
2016-07-18  8:41     ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-19 21:50     ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-19 21:50       ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-22  8:46     ` NeilBrown
2016-07-22  9:04       ` NeilBrown
2016-07-22  9:15       ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-22  9:15         ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-23  0:12         ` NeilBrown
2016-07-25  8:32           ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-25  8:32             ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-25 19:23             ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-25 19:23               ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-25 19:23               ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-26  7:07               ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-26  7:07                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-27  3:43             ` [dm-devel] " NeilBrown
2016-07-27 18:24               ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-27 18:24                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-27 21:33                 ` NeilBrown [this message]
2016-07-28  7:17                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-28  7:17                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-03 12:53                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-03 12:53                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-03 14:34                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-03 14:34                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-04 18:49                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-04 18:49                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-12 12:32                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-12 12:32                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-13 17:34                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-13 17:34                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-14 10:34                               ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-14 10:34                                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-15 16:15                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-15 16:15                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-11-23 21:11                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-11-23 21:11                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-11-24 13:29                                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-24 13:29                                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-24 17:10                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-11-24 17:10                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-11-28 14:06                                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-28 14:06                                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-25 21:52           ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-25 21:52             ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-26  7:25             ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-26  7:25               ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-27  4:02             ` [dm-devel] " NeilBrown
2016-07-27 14:28               ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-27 14:28                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-27 18:40                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-27 18:40                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-03 13:59                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-03 13:59                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-03 14:42                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-03 14:42                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-04 18:46                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-04 18:46                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-27 21:36                 ` NeilBrown
2016-07-19  2:00   ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] mempool: do not consume memory reserves from the reclaim path David Rientjes
2016-07-19  2:00     ` David Rientjes
2016-07-19  7:49     ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-19  7:49       ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-19 13:54   ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-19 13:54     ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-19 14:19     ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-19 14:19       ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-19 22:01       ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-19 22:01         ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-19 20:45     ` David Rientjes
2016-07-19 20:45       ` David Rientjes
2016-07-20  8:15       ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-20  8:15         ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-20 21:06         ` David Rientjes
2016-07-20 21:06           ` David Rientjes
2016-07-21  8:52           ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-21  8:52             ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-21 12:13             ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-21 12:13               ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-21 14:53               ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-21 14:53                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-21 14:53                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-21 15:26                 ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-21 15:26                   ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-22  1:41                 ` NeilBrown
2016-07-22  6:37                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-22  6:37                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-22 12:26                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-22 12:26                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-22 19:44                     ` Andrew Morton
2016-07-22 19:44                       ` Andrew Morton
2016-07-23 18:52                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-23 18:52                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-19 21:50   ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-19 21:50     ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-20  6:44     ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-20  6:44       ` Michal Hocko

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