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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: paulmck@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org
Cc: Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@arm.com>,
	Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>,
	Kurt Kanzenbach <kurt.kanzenbach@linutronix.de>,
	Alison Wang <alison.wang@nxp.com>,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org, mw@semihalf.com,
	leoyang.li@nxp.com, vladimir.oltean@nxp.com,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Anna-Maria Gleixner <anna-maria@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] arm64: defconfig: Disable fine-grained task level IRQ time accounting
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 21:03:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k0ybha0z.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200806132710.GL4295@paulmck-ThinkPad-P72>

Paul,

"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org> writes:
> On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 01:45:45PM +0200, peterz@infradead.org wrote:
>> The safety thing is concerned with RT tasks. It doesn't pretend to help
>> with runnaway IRQs, never has, never will.
>
> Getting into the time machine back to the 1990s...
>
> DYNIX/ptx had a discretionary mechanism to deal with excessive interrupts.
> There was a function that long-running interrupt handlers were supposed
> to call periodically that would return false if the system felt that
> the CPU had done enough interrupts for the time being.  In that case,
> the interrupt handler was supposed to schedule itself for a later time,
> but leave the interrupt unacknowledged in order to prevent retriggering
> in the meantime.
>
> Of course, this mechanism would be rather less helpful in Linux.
>
> For one, Linux has way more device drivers and way more oddball devices.
> In contrast, the few devices that DYNIX/ptx supported were carefully
> selected, and the selection criteria included being able to put up
> with this sort of thing.  Also, the fact that there was but a handful
> of device drivers meant that changes like this could be more easily
> propagated through all drivers.

We could do that completely at the core interrupt handling level. 

> Also, Linux supports way more workloads.  In contrast, DYNIX/ptx could
> pick a small percentage of each CPU that would be permitted to be used
> by hardware interrupt handlers.  As in there are probably Linux workloads
> that run >90% of some poor CPU within hardware interrupt handlers.

Yet another tunable. /me runs

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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: paulmck@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org
Cc: mw@semihalf.com, Anna-Maria Gleixner <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, Alison Wang <alison.wang@nxp.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, leoyang.li@nxp.com,
	vladimir.oltean@nxp.com,
	Kurt Kanzenbach <kurt.kanzenbach@linutronix.de>,
	Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>,
	will@kernel.org, Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] arm64: defconfig: Disable fine-grained task level IRQ time accounting
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 21:03:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k0ybha0z.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200806132710.GL4295@paulmck-ThinkPad-P72>

Paul,

"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org> writes:
> On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 01:45:45PM +0200, peterz@infradead.org wrote:
>> The safety thing is concerned with RT tasks. It doesn't pretend to help
>> with runnaway IRQs, never has, never will.
>
> Getting into the time machine back to the 1990s...
>
> DYNIX/ptx had a discretionary mechanism to deal with excessive interrupts.
> There was a function that long-running interrupt handlers were supposed
> to call periodically that would return false if the system felt that
> the CPU had done enough interrupts for the time being.  In that case,
> the interrupt handler was supposed to schedule itself for a later time,
> but leave the interrupt unacknowledged in order to prevent retriggering
> in the meantime.
>
> Of course, this mechanism would be rather less helpful in Linux.
>
> For one, Linux has way more device drivers and way more oddball devices.
> In contrast, the few devices that DYNIX/ptx supported were carefully
> selected, and the selection criteria included being able to put up
> with this sort of thing.  Also, the fact that there was but a handful
> of device drivers meant that changes like this could be more easily
> propagated through all drivers.

We could do that completely at the core interrupt handling level. 

> Also, Linux supports way more workloads.  In contrast, DYNIX/ptx could
> pick a small percentage of each CPU that would be permitted to be used
> by hardware interrupt handlers.  As in there are probably Linux workloads
> that run >90% of some poor CPU within hardware interrupt handlers.

Yet another tunable. /me runs

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-08-06 19:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-29  3:39 [RFC PATCH] arm64: defconfig: Disable fine-grained task level IRQ time accounting Alison Wang
2020-07-29  3:39 ` Alison Wang
2020-07-29  8:40 ` Kurt Kanzenbach
2020-07-29  8:40   ` Kurt Kanzenbach
2020-07-29  8:50   ` [EXT] " Alison Wang
2020-07-29  8:50     ` Alison Wang
2020-07-29  9:49   ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-07-29  9:49     ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-07-30  7:23     ` Kurt Kanzenbach
2020-07-30  7:23       ` Kurt Kanzenbach
2020-07-30  8:22       ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-07-30  8:22         ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-08-03  8:04         ` Kurt Kanzenbach
2020-08-03  8:04           ` Kurt Kanzenbach
2020-08-03  8:16           ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-08-03  8:16             ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-08-03  9:51             ` Robin Murphy
2020-08-03  9:51               ` Robin Murphy
2020-08-03 11:38               ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-08-03 11:38                 ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-08-03 11:48                 ` Valentin Schneider
2020-08-03 11:48                   ` Valentin Schneider
2020-08-03 13:24                   ` Marc Zyngier
2020-08-03 13:24                     ` Marc Zyngier
2020-08-03 10:02             ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-03 10:02               ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-03 10:49           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-03 10:49             ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-03 11:41             ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-08-03 11:41               ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-08-03 15:13               ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-03 15:13                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-03 15:47                 ` Valentin Schneider
2020-08-03 15:47                   ` Valentin Schneider
2020-08-03 16:14                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-08-03 16:14                     ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-08-03 19:22                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-03 19:22                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-03 23:59                     ` Valentin Schneider
2020-08-03 23:59                       ` Valentin Schneider
2020-08-05  8:50                       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2020-08-05  8:50                         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2020-08-05 13:40                     ` peterz
2020-08-05 13:40                       ` peterz
2020-08-05 13:56                       ` Valentin Schneider
2020-08-05 13:56                         ` Valentin Schneider
2020-08-05 15:31                         ` peterz
2020-08-05 15:31                           ` peterz
2020-08-06  9:41                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-06  9:41                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-06 11:45                             ` peterz
2020-08-06 11:45                               ` peterz
2020-08-06 13:27                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-08-06 13:27                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-08-06 19:03                                 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2020-08-06 19:03                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-06 20:39                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-08-06 20:39                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-08-06 18:58                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-06 18:58                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-06  9:34                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-06  9:34                         ` Thomas Gleixner

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