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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
Cc: Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>,
	Cleber Rosa <crosa@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 12/22] qapi/parser: add type hint annotations
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 10:43:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tuns2k3p.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <07ad14a5-a1bb-691f-cdc1-93ef82b28e77@redhat.com> (John Snow's message of "Mon, 26 Apr 2021 19:55:15 -0400")

John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com> writes:

> On 4/25/21 8:34 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>> value: object isn't wrong, but why not _ExprValue?
>> 
>
> Updated excuse:
>
> because all the way back outside in _parse, we know that:
>
> 1. expr is a dict (because of get_expr(False))
> 2. expr['pragma'] is also a dict, because we explicitly check it there.

Yes:

                pragma = expr['pragma']
-->             if not isinstance(pragma, dict):
-->                 raise QAPISemError(
-->                     info, "value of 'pragma' must be an object")
                for name, value in pragma.items():
                    self._pragma(name, value, info)

> 3. We iterate over the keys; all we know so far is that the values are
> ... something.

Actually, *we* know more about the values.  get_expr() returns a tree
whose inner nodes are dict or list, and whose leaves are str or bool.
Therefore, the values are dict, list, str, or bool.

It's *mypy* that doesn't know, because it lacks recursive types.

I know that you're prbably using "we" in the sense of "the toolchain".
I'm annoying you with the difference between "the toolchain" and "we
(you, me, and other humans) because I'm concerned about us humans
dumbing ourselves down to mypy's level of understanding.

To be honest, I'm less and less sure typing these trees without the
necessary typing tools is worth the bother.  The notational overhead it
more oppressive than elsewhere, and yet the typing remains weak.  The
result fails to satisfy, and that's a constant source of discussions
(between us as well as just in my head) on how to best mitigate.

> 4. _pragma()'s job is to validate the type(s) anyway.

_pragma() can safely assume @value is dict, list, str, or bool.  It just
happens not to rely on this assumption.

> More or less, the _ExprValue type union isn't remembered here -- even
> though it was once upon a time something returned by get_expr, it 
> happened in a nested call that is now opaque to mypy in this context.

Understand.

> So, it's some combination of "That's all we know about it" and "It
> happens to be exactly sufficient for this function to operate."

I can accept "it's all mypy can figure out by itself, and it's good
enough to get the static checking we want".



  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-27  8:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-22  3:06 [PATCH 00/22] qapi: static typing conversion, pt5a John Snow
2021-04-22  3:06 ` [PATCH 01/22] qapi/parser: Don't try to handle file errors John Snow
2021-04-23 15:46   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-23 19:20     ` John Snow
2021-04-27 13:47       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-27 17:58         ` John Snow
2021-04-28  5:48           ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 02/22] qapi/source: [RFC] add "with_column" contextmanager John Snow
2021-04-27  9:33   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 03/22] qapi/source: Remove line number from QAPISourceInfo initializer John Snow
2021-04-24  6:38   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-26 17:39     ` John Snow
2021-04-26 23:14     ` John Snow
2021-04-27  6:07       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 04/22] qapi/parser: factor parsing routine into method John Snow
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 05/22] qapi/parser: Assert lexer value is a string John Snow
2021-04-24  8:33   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-26 17:43     ` John Snow
2021-04-27 12:30       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-27 13:58         ` John Snow
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 06/22] qapi/parser: assert get_expr returns object in outer loop John Snow
2021-04-25  7:23   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-27 15:03     ` John Snow
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 07/22] qapi/parser: assert object keys are strings John Snow
2021-04-25  7:27   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-26 17:46     ` John Snow
2021-04-27  6:13       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-27 14:15         ` John Snow
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 08/22] qapi/parser: Use @staticmethod where appropriate John Snow
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 09/22] qapi: add match_nofail helper John Snow
2021-04-25  7:54   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-26 17:48     ` John Snow
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 10/22] qapi/parser: Fix typing of token membership tests John Snow
2021-04-25  7:59   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-26 17:51     ` John Snow
2021-04-27  7:00       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-05-04  1:01         ` John Snow
2021-05-05  6:29           ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 11/22] qapi/parser: Rework _check_pragma_list_of_str as a TypeGuard John Snow
2021-04-25 12:32   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-26 23:48     ` John Snow
2021-04-27  7:15       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-05-05 19:09         ` John Snow
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 12/22] qapi/parser: add type hint annotations John Snow
2021-04-25 12:34   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-26 18:00     ` John Snow
2021-04-27  8:21       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-26 23:55     ` John Snow
2021-04-27  8:43       ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2021-05-06  1:49         ` John Snow
2021-05-06  1:27   ` John Snow
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 13/22] qapi/parser: [RFC] overload the return type of get_expr John Snow
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 14/22] qapi/parser: Remove superfluous list constructor John Snow
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 15/22] qapi/parser: allow 'ch' variable name John Snow
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 16/22] qapi/parser: add docstrings John Snow
2021-04-25 13:27   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-26 18:26     ` John Snow
2021-04-27  9:03       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-05-06  2:08         ` John Snow
2021-05-07  1:34     ` John Snow
2021-05-07  8:25       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 17/22] CHECKPOINT John Snow
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 18/22] qapi: [WIP] Rip QAPIDoc out of parser.py John Snow
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 19/22] qapi: [WIP] Add type ignores for qapidoc.py John Snow
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 20/22] qapi: [WIP] Import QAPIDoc from qapidoc Signed-off-by: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com> John Snow
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 21/22] qapi: [WIP] Add QAPIDocError John Snow
2021-04-22  3:07 ` [PATCH 22/22] qapi: [WIP] Enable linters on parser.py John Snow

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