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From: ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Stefan Berger
	<stefanb-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
	Mimi Zohar
	<zohar-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
	containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	xiaolong.ye-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	lkp-JC7UmRfGjtg@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] Introduce v3 namespaced file capabilities
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 16:34:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tw3boe5d.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170618221418.GA364-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org> (Serge E. Hallyn's message of "Sun, 18 Jun 2017 17:14:18 -0500")

"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Quoting Stefan Berger (stefanb-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org):
>> On 06/14/2017 11:05 PM, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
>> >On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 08:27:40AM -0400, Stefan Berger wrote:
>> >>On 06/13/2017 07:55 PM, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
>> >>>Quoting Stefan Berger (stefanb-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org):
>> >>>>  If all extended
>> >>>>attributes were to support this model, maybe the 'uid' could be
>> >>>>associated with the 'name' of the xattr rather than its 'value' (not
>> >>>>sure whether that's possible).
>> >>>Right, I missed that in your original email when I saw it this morning.
>> >>>It's not what my patch does, but it's an interesting idea.  Do you have
>> >>>a patch to that effect?  We might even be able to generalize that to
>> >>No, I don't have a patch. It may not be possible to implement it.
>> >>The xattr_handler's  take the name of the xattr as input to get().
>> >That may be ok though.  Assume the host created a container with
>> >100000 as the uid for root, which created a container with 130000 as
>> >uid for root.  If root in the nested container tries to read the
>> >xattr, the kernel can check for security.foo[130000] first, then
>> >security.foo[100000], then security.foo.  Or, it can do a listxattr
>> >and look for those.  Am I overlooking one?
>> >
>> >>So one could try to encode the mapped uid in the name. However, that
>> >I thought that's exactly what you were suggesting in your original
>> >email?  "security.capability[uid=2000]"
>> >
>> >>could lead to problems with stale xattrs in a shared filesystem over
>> >>time unless one could limit the number of xattrs with the same
>> >>prefix, e.g., security.capability*. So I doubt that it would work.
>> >Hm.  Yeah.  But really how many setups are there like that?  I.e. if
>> >you launch a regular docker or lxd container, the image doesn't do a
>> >bind mount of a shared image, it layers something above it or does a
>> >copy.  What setups do you know of where multiple containers in different
>> >user namespaces mount the same filesystem shared and writeable?
>> 
>> I think I have something now that accomodates userns access to
>> security.capability:
>> 
>> https://github.com/stefanberger/linux/commits/xattr_for_userns
>
> Thanks!
>
>> Encoding of uid is in the attribute name now as follows:
>> security.foo@uid=<uid>
>> 
>> 1) The 'plain' security.capability is only r/w accessible from the
>> host (init_user_ns).
>> 2) When userns reads/writes 'security.capability' it will read/write
>> security.capability@uid=<uid> instead, with uid being the uid of
>> root , e.g. 1000.
>> 3) When listing xattrs for userns the host's security.capability is
>> filtered out to avoid read failures iof 'security.capability' if
>> security.capability@uid=<uid> is read but not there. (see 1) and 2))
>> 4) security.capability* may all be read from anywhere
>> 5) security.capability@uid=<uid> may be read or written directly
>> from a userns if <uid> matches the uid of root (current_uid())
>
> This looks very close to what we want.  One exception - we do want
> to support root in a user namespace being able to write
> security.capability@uid=<x> where <x> is a valid uid mapped in its
> namespace.  In that case the name should be rewritten to be
> security.capability@uid=<y> where y is the unmapped kuid.val.
>
> Eric,
>
> so far my patch hasn't yet hit Linus' tree.  Given that, would you
> mind taking a look and seeing what you think of this approach?  If
> we may decide to go this route, we probably should stop my patch
> from hitting Linus' tree before we have to continue supporting it.

Agreed.  I will take a look.  I also want to see how all of this works
in the context of stackable filesystems.  As that is the one case that
looked like it could be a problem case in your current patchset.

Eric

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
Cc: Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Masami Ichikawa <masami256@gmail.com>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, lkp@01.org,
	xiaolong.ye@intel.com, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] Introduce v3 namespaced file capabilities
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 16:34:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tw3boe5d.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170618221418.GA364@mail.hallyn.com> (Serge E. Hallyn's message of "Sun, 18 Jun 2017 17:14:18 -0500")

"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> writes:

> Quoting Stefan Berger (stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com):
>> On 06/14/2017 11:05 PM, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
>> >On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 08:27:40AM -0400, Stefan Berger wrote:
>> >>On 06/13/2017 07:55 PM, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
>> >>>Quoting Stefan Berger (stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com):
>> >>>>  If all extended
>> >>>>attributes were to support this model, maybe the 'uid' could be
>> >>>>associated with the 'name' of the xattr rather than its 'value' (not
>> >>>>sure whether that's possible).
>> >>>Right, I missed that in your original email when I saw it this morning.
>> >>>It's not what my patch does, but it's an interesting idea.  Do you have
>> >>>a patch to that effect?  We might even be able to generalize that to
>> >>No, I don't have a patch. It may not be possible to implement it.
>> >>The xattr_handler's  take the name of the xattr as input to get().
>> >That may be ok though.  Assume the host created a container with
>> >100000 as the uid for root, which created a container with 130000 as
>> >uid for root.  If root in the nested container tries to read the
>> >xattr, the kernel can check for security.foo[130000] first, then
>> >security.foo[100000], then security.foo.  Or, it can do a listxattr
>> >and look for those.  Am I overlooking one?
>> >
>> >>So one could try to encode the mapped uid in the name. However, that
>> >I thought that's exactly what you were suggesting in your original
>> >email?  "security.capability[uid=2000]"
>> >
>> >>could lead to problems with stale xattrs in a shared filesystem over
>> >>time unless one could limit the number of xattrs with the same
>> >>prefix, e.g., security.capability*. So I doubt that it would work.
>> >Hm.  Yeah.  But really how many setups are there like that?  I.e. if
>> >you launch a regular docker or lxd container, the image doesn't do a
>> >bind mount of a shared image, it layers something above it or does a
>> >copy.  What setups do you know of where multiple containers in different
>> >user namespaces mount the same filesystem shared and writeable?
>> 
>> I think I have something now that accomodates userns access to
>> security.capability:
>> 
>> https://github.com/stefanberger/linux/commits/xattr_for_userns
>
> Thanks!
>
>> Encoding of uid is in the attribute name now as follows:
>> security.foo@uid=<uid>
>> 
>> 1) The 'plain' security.capability is only r/w accessible from the
>> host (init_user_ns).
>> 2) When userns reads/writes 'security.capability' it will read/write
>> security.capability@uid=<uid> instead, with uid being the uid of
>> root , e.g. 1000.
>> 3) When listing xattrs for userns the host's security.capability is
>> filtered out to avoid read failures iof 'security.capability' if
>> security.capability@uid=<uid> is read but not there. (see 1) and 2))
>> 4) security.capability* may all be read from anywhere
>> 5) security.capability@uid=<uid> may be read or written directly
>> from a userns if <uid> matches the uid of root (current_uid())
>
> This looks very close to what we want.  One exception - we do want
> to support root in a user namespace being able to write
> security.capability@uid=<x> where <x> is a valid uid mapped in its
> namespace.  In that case the name should be rewritten to be
> security.capability@uid=<y> where y is the unmapped kuid.val.
>
> Eric,
>
> so far my patch hasn't yet hit Linus' tree.  Given that, would you
> mind taking a look and seeing what you think of this approach?  If
> we may decide to go this route, we probably should stop my patch
> from hitting Linus' tree before we have to continue supporting it.

Agreed.  I will take a look.  I also want to see how all of this works
in the context of stackable filesystems.  As that is the one case that
looked like it could be a problem case in your current patchset.

Eric

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From: Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>
To: lkp@lists.01.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] Introduce v3 namespaced file capabilities
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 16:34:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tw3boe5d.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170618221418.GA364@mail.hallyn.com>

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"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> writes:

> Quoting Stefan Berger (stefanb(a)linux.vnet.ibm.com):
>> On 06/14/2017 11:05 PM, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
>> >On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 08:27:40AM -0400, Stefan Berger wrote:
>> >>On 06/13/2017 07:55 PM, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
>> >>>Quoting Stefan Berger (stefanb(a)linux.vnet.ibm.com):
>> >>>>  If all extended
>> >>>>attributes were to support this model, maybe the 'uid' could be
>> >>>>associated with the 'name' of the xattr rather than its 'value' (not
>> >>>>sure whether that's possible).
>> >>>Right, I missed that in your original email when I saw it this morning.
>> >>>It's not what my patch does, but it's an interesting idea.  Do you have
>> >>>a patch to that effect?  We might even be able to generalize that to
>> >>No, I don't have a patch. It may not be possible to implement it.
>> >>The xattr_handler's  take the name of the xattr as input to get().
>> >That may be ok though.  Assume the host created a container with
>> >100000 as the uid for root, which created a container with 130000 as
>> >uid for root.  If root in the nested container tries to read the
>> >xattr, the kernel can check for security.foo[130000] first, then
>> >security.foo[100000], then security.foo.  Or, it can do a listxattr
>> >and look for those.  Am I overlooking one?
>> >
>> >>So one could try to encode the mapped uid in the name. However, that
>> >I thought that's exactly what you were suggesting in your original
>> >email?  "security.capability[uid=2000]"
>> >
>> >>could lead to problems with stale xattrs in a shared filesystem over
>> >>time unless one could limit the number of xattrs with the same
>> >>prefix, e.g., security.capability*. So I doubt that it would work.
>> >Hm.  Yeah.  But really how many setups are there like that?  I.e. if
>> >you launch a regular docker or lxd container, the image doesn't do a
>> >bind mount of a shared image, it layers something above it or does a
>> >copy.  What setups do you know of where multiple containers in different
>> >user namespaces mount the same filesystem shared and writeable?
>> 
>> I think I have something now that accomodates userns access to
>> security.capability:
>> 
>> https://github.com/stefanberger/linux/commits/xattr_for_userns
>
> Thanks!
>
>> Encoding of uid is in the attribute name now as follows:
>> security.foo(a)uid=<uid>
>> 
>> 1) The 'plain' security.capability is only r/w accessible from the
>> host (init_user_ns).
>> 2) When userns reads/writes 'security.capability' it will read/write
>> security.capability(a)uid=<uid> instead, with uid being the uid of
>> root , e.g. 1000.
>> 3) When listing xattrs for userns the host's security.capability is
>> filtered out to avoid read failures iof 'security.capability' if
>> security.capability(a)uid=<uid> is read but not there. (see 1) and 2))
>> 4) security.capability* may all be read from anywhere
>> 5) security.capability(a)uid=<uid> may be read or written directly
>> from a userns if <uid> matches the uid of root (current_uid())
>
> This looks very close to what we want.  One exception - we do want
> to support root in a user namespace being able to write
> security.capability(a)uid=<x> where <x> is a valid uid mapped in its
> namespace.  In that case the name should be rewritten to be
> security.capability(a)uid=<y> where y is the unmapped kuid.val.
>
> Eric,
>
> so far my patch hasn't yet hit Linus' tree.  Given that, would you
> mind taking a look and seeing what you think of this approach?  If
> we may decide to go this route, we probably should stop my patch
> from hitting Linus' tree before we have to continue supporting it.

Agreed.  I will take a look.  I also want to see how all of this works
in the context of stackable filesystems.  As that is the one case that
looked like it could be a problem case in your current patchset.

Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-06-19 21:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-07  9:21 64fa03de33: BUG:Dentry_still_in_use kernel test robot
2017-05-07  9:21 ` kernel test robot
2017-05-07  9:21 ` kernel test robot
     [not found] ` <20170507092105.GA67584-aQzoWfPLU1itqXYlAKuG4QC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-08  4:44   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-05-08  4:44     ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]     ` <20170508044408.GA11400-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-08 11:47       ` Masami Ichikawa
2017-05-08 11:47         ` Masami Ichikawa
2017-05-08 15:49         ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <CACOXgS9a=avAWZEre1Q1CGjSHeq78Pkq1fYfwPjiyEX-u=B5wQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-08 15:49           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-05-08 18:11           ` [PATCH v4] Introduce v3 namespaced file capabilities Serge E. Hallyn
2017-05-08 18:11             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20170508181156.GA23112-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-09 16:55               ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-09 16:55                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-09 16:55                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <87a86mvuko.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-09 20:37                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-05-09 20:37                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                     ` <20170509203736.GB14900-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-09 22:27                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-09 22:27                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-09 22:27                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-13 15:47               ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-13 15:47             ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-13 15:47               ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-13 17:14               ` Tycho Andersen
2017-06-13 17:42                 ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-13 17:42                   ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-13 17:42                   ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                   ` <f7c51332-e405-f337-3938-ad93bab8f50d-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-13 20:51                     ` Tycho Andersen via Containers
2017-06-13 20:51                   ` Tycho Andersen
2017-06-13 17:45                 ` James Bottomley
2017-06-13 17:45                   ` James Bottomley
2017-06-13 17:45                   ` James Bottomley
2017-06-13 20:46                   ` Tycho Andersen
2017-06-13 20:49                     ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-13 20:49                     ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-13 20:49                       ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-13 20:53                       ` Tycho Andersen
2017-06-13 20:58                         ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-13 20:58                           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-13 20:58                           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-13 20:59                         ` Mimi Zohar
2017-06-13 20:59                           ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found]                           ` <1497387570.21594.427.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-13 21:09                             ` Tycho Andersen via Containers
2017-06-13 21:09                               ` Tycho Andersen
2017-06-13 20:59                         ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found]                       ` <8933bf11-7ca2-fa12-8d51-46d94d94a182-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-13 20:53                         ` Tycho Andersen via Containers
     [not found]                   ` <1497375902.7379.25.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-13 20:46                     ` Tycho Andersen via Containers
2017-06-13 17:18               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-13 18:12                 ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-13 18:12                   ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-13 23:55                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                     ` <20170613235521.GC15685-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-14 12:27                       ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-14 12:27                         ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-14 12:27                         ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                         ` <ce471b11-e76a-25f3-eae8-eca30e7233af-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-15  3:05                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-15  3:05                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-16  9:02                             ` Christian Brauner
     [not found]                             ` <20170615030543.GA8979-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-16  9:02                               ` Christian Brauner
2017-06-16 22:24                               ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-16 22:24                                 ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-16 22:24                                 ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-17 20:56                               ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-17 20:56                                 ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-17 20:56                                 ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                                 ` <f0df1914-bca2-31a0-cdba-df30d85d70b3-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-18 22:14                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-18 22:14                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                     ` <20170618221418.GA364-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-19  1:13                                       ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-19  1:13                                         ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-19  1:13                                         ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                                         ` <e9720595-2cdc-4dd7-57e7-95b85896d4ac-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-19 13:05                                           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-19 13:05                                             ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-19 13:05                                             ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-20  6:23                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-20  6:23                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-19 21:34                                       ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2017-06-19 21:34                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-19 21:34                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-20  5:42                                         ` Amir Goldstein
     [not found]                                           ` <CAOQ4uxhi5fezF7e9FpS=hHUb1LqzyCNq9BcG14RV_Srj1hS-Vw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-20 12:19                                             ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-20 12:19                                               ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-20 12:19                                               ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                                               ` <645d3a5e-4b76-cc90-50d6-4a7a7c3b678c-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-20 17:33                                                 ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-20 17:33                                                   ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-20 17:33                                                   ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                                                   ` <87dfaf3b-f466-9831-1c76-32d4cabd8cf6-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-20 19:56                                                     ` Amir Goldstein
2017-06-20 19:56                                                       ` Amir Goldstein
2017-06-20 19:57                                             ` Vivek Goyal
2017-06-20 19:57                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2017-06-20 19:57                                             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                         ` <87tw3boe5d.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-20  5:42                                           ` Amir Goldstein
     [not found]                   ` <74e490f3-3c47-abfa-86ae-0fa0d1ddb43a-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-13 23:55                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                 ` <20170613171818.GA9070-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-13 18:12                   ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]               ` <9f80188c-df03-066a-5dac-785cc711d064-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-13 17:14                 ` Tycho Andersen via Containers
2017-06-13 17:18                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-13 23:42                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-13 23:42                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                   ` <20170613234214.GA15685-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-13 23:50                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-13 23:50                       ` Serge E. Hallyn

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