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From: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com>
To: Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>
Cc: ksummit <ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] community management/subsystem governance
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:42:53 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87worr14z6.fsf@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180911220047.GQ2494@piout.net>

On Wed, 12 Sep 2018, Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com> wrote:
> Most of the drivers are developed by their maintainer or someone paid
> by the vendor (which is basically the same because the maintainer is
> actually getting paid to get his colleagues patches upstream).
>
> I also see that the review numbers hint at biased reviews for the big
> drivers as they are not coming from outsiders.
>
> So what I see in DRM is exactly what you despis in other areas of the
> kernel: mostly unreviewed maintainer self commits.

I'll only speak for drm/i915 here as one of its maintainers, and I'll
steer clear of the preceding debate, but your conclusions don't hold
water wrt drm/i915.

Sure, most of the contributions, both patches and review, come from paid
Intel developers. It's a very busy driver. We pushed just under 8
commits per day on the average in the v4.4..v4.18 range. For reference,
that's 6.6% of all of drivers/. More than sound/, a bit less than fs/ or
net/ top level directories, but in the same ballpark.

By our rules, *nobody* gets to push unreviewed patches, and we follow
that religiously. The more complicated the patch, the more rigorous the
review must be, involving domain experts or generally more sets of eyes.

If we had to rely on outside reviews, either our rate of change would
grind to a halt, or we'd have to loosen our rules. Instead, we trust our
maintainers and committers to have the integrity to follow our
documented merge criteria. And bypassing the rules would be a fast lane
to losing the maintainer/committer status.

Anyone contributing to drm/i915 will tell you there are no biased
reviews. Some might say we are more gentle towards outside contributors
than our own. I'm also pretty confident you won't find examples of
unreviewed commits, let alone unreviewed maintainer self commits.


BR,
Jani.

-- 
Jani Nikula, Intel Open Source Graphics Center

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-09-12  8:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-10  8:59 [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] community management/subsystem governance Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 14:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-10 15:08   ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 15:10     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-10 15:38       ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 15:47         ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 15:55           ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 16:13             ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 16:24               ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 17:10                 ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 15:47         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-10 15:56           ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 16:02             ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-10 16:07           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 16:18             ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-10 16:23               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 16:41                 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-10 17:06                   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 19:48             ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 20:50               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 15:49         ` Mark Brown
2018-09-10 16:33         ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-10 19:59           ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 21:30             ` Josh Triplett
2018-09-10 23:00               ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 23:16               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11  1:14                 ` Josh Triplett
2018-09-10 15:13     ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-10 15:20       ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 15:31       ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 20:15       ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 21:09         ` Sean Paul
2018-09-10 21:38           ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-11 10:06             ` Leon Romanovsky
2018-09-11  8:44         ` Jani Nikula
2018-09-11  9:08           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-11 10:01             ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 10:09               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-11 10:17                 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 10:30                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-11  8:41       ` Jani Nikula
2018-09-10 15:31   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 16:39     ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-10 17:10       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-12 19:02         ` Darren Hart
2018-09-12 18:59     ` Darren Hart
2018-09-12 20:05       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-12 20:58         ` Darren Hart
2018-09-13 11:27         ` Mark Brown
2018-09-13 11:41           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-13 17:08             ` Darren Hart
2018-09-13  2:56     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-13  5:17       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 15:56   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 20:32     ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 20:55       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 21:33         ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 22:44           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 12:44             ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-11 14:35               ` Mark Brown
2018-09-11 15:17                 ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-11 15:02               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 22:00                 ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-11 22:17                   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-12  8:42                   ` Jani Nikula [this message]
2018-09-12 18:45                     ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-12 19:52                       ` Dave Airlie
2018-09-12 22:25                       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-12  9:14                 ` Linus Walleij
2018-09-12 18:23                   ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-12 18:44                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-13 12:08                       ` Maxime Ripard
2018-09-13 12:57                         ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-13 13:18                           ` Maxime Ripard
2018-09-13 14:25                           ` Jani Nikula
2018-09-13 20:05                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-13 23:02                               ` Rodrigo Vivi
2018-09-14  6:47                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-14  6:39                               ` Dave Airlie
2018-09-14 14:15                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-17  7:40                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-14  7:08                         ` Linus Walleij
2018-09-14  7:39                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-14  8:08                             ` Linus Walleij
2018-09-12 21:21                     ` Linus Walleij
2018-09-21 16:05                 ` Joe Perches
2018-09-12 22:44             ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 22:56           ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 21:11       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-10 23:05         ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-17 11:43           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 12:03             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-17 13:04               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 13:10                 ` Julia Lawall
2018-09-17 13:29                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-17 13:48                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-17 13:58                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 14:18                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-17 14:50                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-17 15:21                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 14:18                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-17 16:50                       ` Joe Perches
2018-09-17 14:14                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-17 14:59                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 22:39                     ` Dave Airlie
2018-09-17 23:04                       ` James Bottomley
2018-09-18  8:00                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-18 11:16                           ` James Bottomley
2018-09-18 15:26                             ` Randy Dunlap
2018-09-18 16:47                             ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 16:59                               ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 17:08                                 ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 17:12                                   ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 17:31                                   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 17:42                                     ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 17:55                                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 18:58                                         ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 19:24                                           ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 17:47                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-18 17:49                                     ` Greg KH
2018-09-18 18:03                                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 22:46                                         ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-18 18:22                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2018-09-18 19:16                                         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-18 18:56                                       ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-18 23:05                                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-18  7:37                       ` Nicolas Ferre
2018-09-18  7:47                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-18 10:38                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-18 16:02                         ` Mark Brown
2018-09-18 16:32                           ` Luck, Tony
2018-09-18 16:35                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2018-09-18 17:18                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-18 17:28                                 ` Sean Paul
2018-09-18 17:37                                 ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-21 16:46                                 ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-21 17:08                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-21 17:16                                     ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-18 17:21                               ` Mark Brown
2018-09-18 21:01                               ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-18 23:16                                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-18 23:54                                 ` Mark Brown
2018-09-19  5:27                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-19  9:46                               ` James Bottomley
2018-09-18 17:10                             ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 20:48                             ` Takashi Iwai
2018-09-18 16:50                           ` David Woodhouse
2018-09-18 17:24                             ` Mark Brown
2018-09-18 19:22                               ` David Woodhouse
2018-09-18 19:30                                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-18 19:38                                   ` Josh Triplett
2018-09-18 19:48                                   ` David Woodhouse
2018-09-18  8:24                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-09-17 13:12             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-17 14:14               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 21:59               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-17 22:17                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-10 21:19       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-11  8:33         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-10 16:29   ` [Ksummit-discuss] Fwd: " Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 15:35   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Jiri Kosina
2018-09-17 11:11   ` [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Live without email - possible? - Was: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab

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