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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
Cc: mchehab+samsung@kernel.org, tim.bird@sony.com,
	ksummit <ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] community management/subsystem governance
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:18:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFxgc+OOs4E8z9vdEpbArwi2+MaxfUUnZSisX6Y3K1HTHQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKdAkRRc8U+Y9M3mP378hw5PsUoG-TM33gX_0oT8PX9APT9pyw@mail.gmail.com>

[ Still very much on break, but reading ksuummit-discuss and answering
this one ]

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:35 AM Dmitry Torokhov
<dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:33 AM Luck, Tony <tony.luck@intel.com> wrote:
> >
> > Or, shock, horror, tell one-time contributors that it is OK to
> > put the patch in an attachment to the e-mail.  Outlook doesn't
> > (usually) mess with the contents of attachments.
>
> And then have maintainer having hard time trying to comment on said
> patch in the attachment. I'd rather not.

I actually think that *this* could be easily handled by trivial
tooling that doesn't have to be set up over and over again inside
companies or teaching people.

In fact, doesn't patchwork already do exactly that?

I have to say, there are real technical advantages to using
attachments for patches, particularly when you have odd combinations
of locales. It's gotten to be less of an issue over time and we're
still almost entirely US-ASCII with the occasional UTF-8, but we do
still have the occasional problem. Using attachments at least detaches
the email charset from the user locale, and from random other MUA
issues.

But yes, the "comment on individual parts of the patch" part is very
important too.

The main problem with having something that rewrites things is that it
breaks DKIM etc, so you can't just have a pure email gateway. It
almost needs to be something at a higher semantic level like patchwork
(that could still send out rewritten emails).

In many cases, you might want that anyway (ie wouldn't it be lovely
when the patch is also checked for "does it build" and looks up the
maintainers based on what paths it touches etc etc).

So a sane email / web-interface kind of gateway that allows people to
work the way they prefer.

But I guess "trivial" is completely the wrong word to use.

             Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-18 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-10  8:59 [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] community management/subsystem governance Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 14:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-10 15:08   ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 15:10     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-10 15:38       ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 15:47         ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 15:55           ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 16:13             ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 16:24               ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 17:10                 ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 15:47         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-10 15:56           ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 16:02             ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-10 16:07           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 16:18             ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-10 16:23               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 16:41                 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-10 17:06                   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 19:48             ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 20:50               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 15:49         ` Mark Brown
2018-09-10 16:33         ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-10 19:59           ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 21:30             ` Josh Triplett
2018-09-10 23:00               ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 23:16               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11  1:14                 ` Josh Triplett
2018-09-10 15:13     ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-10 15:20       ` James Bottomley
2018-09-10 15:31       ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-10 20:15       ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 21:09         ` Sean Paul
2018-09-10 21:38           ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-11 10:06             ` Leon Romanovsky
2018-09-11  8:44         ` Jani Nikula
2018-09-11  9:08           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-11 10:01             ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 10:09               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-11 10:17                 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 10:30                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-11  8:41       ` Jani Nikula
2018-09-10 15:31   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 16:39     ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-10 17:10       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-12 19:02         ` Darren Hart
2018-09-12 18:59     ` Darren Hart
2018-09-12 20:05       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-12 20:58         ` Darren Hart
2018-09-13 11:27         ` Mark Brown
2018-09-13 11:41           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-13 17:08             ` Darren Hart
2018-09-13  2:56     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-13  5:17       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 15:56   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 20:32     ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 20:55       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-10 21:33         ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 22:44           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 12:44             ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-11 14:35               ` Mark Brown
2018-09-11 15:17                 ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-11 15:02               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 22:00                 ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-11 22:17                   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-12  8:42                   ` Jani Nikula
2018-09-12 18:45                     ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-12 19:52                       ` Dave Airlie
2018-09-12 22:25                       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-12  9:14                 ` Linus Walleij
2018-09-12 18:23                   ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-12 18:44                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-13 12:08                       ` Maxime Ripard
2018-09-13 12:57                         ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-13 13:18                           ` Maxime Ripard
2018-09-13 14:25                           ` Jani Nikula
2018-09-13 20:05                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-13 23:02                               ` Rodrigo Vivi
2018-09-14  6:47                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-14  6:39                               ` Dave Airlie
2018-09-14 14:15                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-17  7:40                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-14  7:08                         ` Linus Walleij
2018-09-14  7:39                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-14  8:08                             ` Linus Walleij
2018-09-12 21:21                     ` Linus Walleij
2018-09-21 16:05                 ` Joe Perches
2018-09-12 22:44             ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 22:56           ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-10 21:11       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-10 23:05         ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-17 11:43           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 12:03             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-17 13:04               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 13:10                 ` Julia Lawall
2018-09-17 13:29                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-17 13:48                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-17 13:58                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 14:18                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-17 14:50                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-17 15:21                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 14:18                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-17 16:50                       ` Joe Perches
2018-09-17 14:14                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-17 14:59                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 22:39                     ` Dave Airlie
2018-09-17 23:04                       ` James Bottomley
2018-09-18  8:00                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-18 11:16                           ` James Bottomley
2018-09-18 15:26                             ` Randy Dunlap
2018-09-18 16:47                             ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 16:59                               ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 17:08                                 ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 17:12                                   ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 17:31                                   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 17:42                                     ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 17:55                                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 18:58                                         ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 19:24                                           ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 17:47                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-18 17:49                                     ` Greg KH
2018-09-18 18:03                                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-18 22:46                                         ` Alexandre Belloni
2018-09-18 18:22                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2018-09-18 19:16                                         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-18 18:56                                       ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-18 23:05                                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-18  7:37                       ` Nicolas Ferre
2018-09-18  7:47                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-18 10:38                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-18 16:02                         ` Mark Brown
2018-09-18 16:32                           ` Luck, Tony
2018-09-18 16:35                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2018-09-18 17:18                               ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2018-09-18 17:28                                 ` Sean Paul
2018-09-18 17:37                                 ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-21 16:46                                 ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-21 17:08                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-21 17:16                                     ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-18 17:21                               ` Mark Brown
2018-09-18 21:01                               ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-18 23:16                                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-09-18 23:54                                 ` Mark Brown
2018-09-19  5:27                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-19  9:46                               ` James Bottomley
2018-09-18 17:10                             ` Tim.Bird
2018-09-18 20:48                             ` Takashi Iwai
2018-09-18 16:50                           ` David Woodhouse
2018-09-18 17:24                             ` Mark Brown
2018-09-18 19:22                               ` David Woodhouse
2018-09-18 19:30                                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-18 19:38                                   ` Josh Triplett
2018-09-18 19:48                                   ` David Woodhouse
2018-09-18  8:24                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-09-17 13:12             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-17 14:14               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-17 21:59               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-17 22:17                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-10 21:19       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-09-11  8:33         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-10 16:29   ` [Ksummit-discuss] Fwd: " Daniel Vetter
2018-09-11 15:35   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Jiri Kosina
2018-09-17 11:11   ` [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Live without email - possible? - Was: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab

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