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From: "Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com>
To: "Michal Suchánek" <msuchanek@suse.de>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	jack@suse.de, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, mpe@ellerman.id.au,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] libnvdimm: Add prctl control for disabling synchronous fault support.
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2020 13:27:18 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y2p5oq75.fsf@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <af150987-156f-71dc-a4cd-e6f8e670839a@linux.ibm.com>

"Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com> writes:

> On 6/1/20 5:37 PM, Michal Suchánek wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 01, 2020 at 05:31:50PM +0530, Aneesh Kumar K.V wrote:
>>> On 6/1/20 3:39 PM, Jan Kara wrote:
>>>> On Fri 29-05-20 16:25:35, Aneesh Kumar K.V wrote:
>>>>> On 5/29/20 3:22 PM, Jan Kara wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri 29-05-20 15:07:31, Aneesh Kumar K.V wrote:
>>>>>>> Thanks Michal. I also missed Jeff in this email thread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I think you'll also need some of the sched maintainers for the prctl
>>>>>> bits...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/29/20 3:03 PM, Michal Suchánek wrote:
>>>>>>>> Adding Jan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 11:11:39AM +0530, Aneesh Kumar K.V wrote:
>>>>>>>>> With POWER10, architecture is adding new pmem flush and sync instructions.
>>>>>>>>> The kernel should prevent the usage of MAP_SYNC if applications are not using
>>>>>>>>> the new instructions on newer hardware.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This patch adds a prctl option MAP_SYNC_ENABLE that can be used to enable
>>>>>>>>> the usage of MAP_SYNC. The kernel config option is added to allow the user
>>>>>>>>> to control whether MAP_SYNC should be enabled by default or not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Aneesh Kumar K.V <aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> diff --git a/kernel/fork.c b/kernel/fork.c
>>>>>>>>> index 8c700f881d92..d5a9a363e81e 100644
>>>>>>>>> --- a/kernel/fork.c
>>>>>>>>> +++ b/kernel/fork.c
>>>>>>>>> @@ -963,6 +963,12 @@ __cacheline_aligned_in_smp DEFINE_SPINLOCK(mmlist_lock);
>>>>>>>>>      static unsigned long default_dump_filter = MMF_DUMP_FILTER_DEFAULT;
>>>>>>>>> +#ifdef CONFIG_ARCH_MAP_SYNC_DISABLE
>>>>>>>>> +unsigned long default_map_sync_mask = MMF_DISABLE_MAP_SYNC_MASK;
>>>>>>>>> +#else
>>>>>>>>> +unsigned long default_map_sync_mask = 0;
>>>>>>>>> +#endif
>>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure CONFIG is really the right approach here. For a distro that would
>>>>>> basically mean to disable MAP_SYNC for all PPC kernels unless application
>>>>>> explicitly uses the right prctl. Shouldn't we rather initialize
>>>>>> default_map_sync_mask on boot based on whether the CPU we run on requires
>>>>>> new flush instructions or not? Otherwise the patch looks sensible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> yes that is correct. We ideally want to deny MAP_SYNC only w.r.t POWER10.
>>>>> But on a virtualized platform there is no easy way to detect that. We could
>>>>> ideally hook this into the nvdimm driver where we look at the new compat
>>>>> string ibm,persistent-memory-v2 and then disable MAP_SYNC
>>>>> if we find a device with the specific value.
>>>>
>>>> Hum, couldn't we set some flag for nvdimm devices with
>>>> "ibm,persistent-memory-v2" property and then check it during mmap(2) time
>>>> and when the device has this propery and the mmap(2) caller doesn't have
>>>> the prctl set, we'd disallow MAP_SYNC? That should make things mostly
>>>> seamless, shouldn't it? Only apps that want to use MAP_SYNC on these
>>>> devices would need to use prctl(MMF_DISABLE_MAP_SYNC, 0) but then these
>>>> applications need to be aware of new instructions so this isn't that much
>>>> additional burden...
>>>
>>> I am not sure application would want to add that much details/knowledge
>>> about a platform in their code. I was expecting application to do
>>>
>>> #ifdef __ppc64__
>>>          prctl(MAP_SYNC_ENABLE, 1, 0, 0, 0));
>>> #endif
>>>          a = mmap(NULL, PAGE_SIZE, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
>>>                          MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE | MAP_SYNC, fd, 0);
>>>
>>>
>>> For that code all the complexity that we add w.r.t ibm,persistent-memory-v2
>>> is not useful. Do you see a value in making all these device specific rather
>>> than a conditional on  __ppc64__?
>
>> If the vpmem devices continue to work with the old instruction on
>> POWER10 then it makes sense to make this per-device.
>
> vPMEM doesn't have write_cache and hence it is synchronous even without 
> using any specific flush instruction. The question is do we want to have
> different programming steps when running on vPMEM vs a persistent PMEM 
> device on ppc64.
>
> I will work on the device specific ENABLE flag and then we can compare 
> the kernel complexity against the added benefit.

I have posted an RFC v2 [1] that implements a device-specific MAP_SYNC
enable/disable feature. The Posted changes also add a dax flag suggested
by Dan. With device-specific MAP_SYNC enable/disable, it was just a sysfs
file export of the same flag. 

1. https://lore.kernel.org/linuxppc-dev/20200602074909.36738-1-aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com/

-aneesh
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From: "Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com>
To: "Michal Suchánek" <msuchanek@suse.de>
Cc: linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, jack@suse.de,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] libnvdimm: Add prctl control for disabling synchronous fault support.
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2020 13:27:18 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y2p5oq75.fsf@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <af150987-156f-71dc-a4cd-e6f8e670839a@linux.ibm.com>

"Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com> writes:

> On 6/1/20 5:37 PM, Michal Suchánek wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 01, 2020 at 05:31:50PM +0530, Aneesh Kumar K.V wrote:
>>> On 6/1/20 3:39 PM, Jan Kara wrote:
>>>> On Fri 29-05-20 16:25:35, Aneesh Kumar K.V wrote:
>>>>> On 5/29/20 3:22 PM, Jan Kara wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri 29-05-20 15:07:31, Aneesh Kumar K.V wrote:
>>>>>>> Thanks Michal. I also missed Jeff in this email thread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I think you'll also need some of the sched maintainers for the prctl
>>>>>> bits...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/29/20 3:03 PM, Michal Suchánek wrote:
>>>>>>>> Adding Jan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 11:11:39AM +0530, Aneesh Kumar K.V wrote:
>>>>>>>>> With POWER10, architecture is adding new pmem flush and sync instructions.
>>>>>>>>> The kernel should prevent the usage of MAP_SYNC if applications are not using
>>>>>>>>> the new instructions on newer hardware.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This patch adds a prctl option MAP_SYNC_ENABLE that can be used to enable
>>>>>>>>> the usage of MAP_SYNC. The kernel config option is added to allow the user
>>>>>>>>> to control whether MAP_SYNC should be enabled by default or not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Aneesh Kumar K.V <aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> diff --git a/kernel/fork.c b/kernel/fork.c
>>>>>>>>> index 8c700f881d92..d5a9a363e81e 100644
>>>>>>>>> --- a/kernel/fork.c
>>>>>>>>> +++ b/kernel/fork.c
>>>>>>>>> @@ -963,6 +963,12 @@ __cacheline_aligned_in_smp DEFINE_SPINLOCK(mmlist_lock);
>>>>>>>>>      static unsigned long default_dump_filter = MMF_DUMP_FILTER_DEFAULT;
>>>>>>>>> +#ifdef CONFIG_ARCH_MAP_SYNC_DISABLE
>>>>>>>>> +unsigned long default_map_sync_mask = MMF_DISABLE_MAP_SYNC_MASK;
>>>>>>>>> +#else
>>>>>>>>> +unsigned long default_map_sync_mask = 0;
>>>>>>>>> +#endif
>>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure CONFIG is really the right approach here. For a distro that would
>>>>>> basically mean to disable MAP_SYNC for all PPC kernels unless application
>>>>>> explicitly uses the right prctl. Shouldn't we rather initialize
>>>>>> default_map_sync_mask on boot based on whether the CPU we run on requires
>>>>>> new flush instructions or not? Otherwise the patch looks sensible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> yes that is correct. We ideally want to deny MAP_SYNC only w.r.t POWER10.
>>>>> But on a virtualized platform there is no easy way to detect that. We could
>>>>> ideally hook this into the nvdimm driver where we look at the new compat
>>>>> string ibm,persistent-memory-v2 and then disable MAP_SYNC
>>>>> if we find a device with the specific value.
>>>>
>>>> Hum, couldn't we set some flag for nvdimm devices with
>>>> "ibm,persistent-memory-v2" property and then check it during mmap(2) time
>>>> and when the device has this propery and the mmap(2) caller doesn't have
>>>> the prctl set, we'd disallow MAP_SYNC? That should make things mostly
>>>> seamless, shouldn't it? Only apps that want to use MAP_SYNC on these
>>>> devices would need to use prctl(MMF_DISABLE_MAP_SYNC, 0) but then these
>>>> applications need to be aware of new instructions so this isn't that much
>>>> additional burden...
>>>
>>> I am not sure application would want to add that much details/knowledge
>>> about a platform in their code. I was expecting application to do
>>>
>>> #ifdef __ppc64__
>>>          prctl(MAP_SYNC_ENABLE, 1, 0, 0, 0));
>>> #endif
>>>          a = mmap(NULL, PAGE_SIZE, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
>>>                          MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE | MAP_SYNC, fd, 0);
>>>
>>>
>>> For that code all the complexity that we add w.r.t ibm,persistent-memory-v2
>>> is not useful. Do you see a value in making all these device specific rather
>>> than a conditional on  __ppc64__?
>
>> If the vpmem devices continue to work with the old instruction on
>> POWER10 then it makes sense to make this per-device.
>
> vPMEM doesn't have write_cache and hence it is synchronous even without 
> using any specific flush instruction. The question is do we want to have
> different programming steps when running on vPMEM vs a persistent PMEM 
> device on ppc64.
>
> I will work on the device specific ENABLE flag and then we can compare 
> the kernel complexity against the added benefit.

I have posted an RFC v2 [1] that implements a device-specific MAP_SYNC
enable/disable feature. The Posted changes also add a dax flag suggested
by Dan. With device-specific MAP_SYNC enable/disable, it was just a sysfs
file export of the same flag. 

1. https://lore.kernel.org/linuxppc-dev/20200602074909.36738-1-aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com/

-aneesh

  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-02  7:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-29  5:41 [RFC PATCH 1/2] libnvdimm: Add prctl control for disabling synchronous fault support Aneesh Kumar K.V
2020-05-29  5:41 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2020-05-29  5:41 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] powerpc/pmem: Disable synchronous fault by default Aneesh Kumar K.V
2020-05-29  5:41   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2020-05-29  9:33 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] libnvdimm: Add prctl control for disabling synchronous fault support Michal Suchánek
2020-05-29  9:33   ` Michal Suchánek
2020-05-29  9:37   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2020-05-29  9:37     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2020-05-29  9:52     ` Jan Kara
2020-05-29  9:52       ` Jan Kara
2020-05-29 10:55       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2020-05-29 10:55         ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2020-05-29 19:22         ` Dan Williams
2020-05-29 19:22           ` Dan Williams
2020-05-30  7:18           ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2020-05-30  7:18             ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2020-05-30 16:35             ` Dan Williams
2020-05-30 16:35               ` Dan Williams
2020-06-01  9:50               ` Jan Kara
2020-06-01  9:50                 ` Jan Kara
2020-06-02 17:59                 ` Williams, Dan J
2020-06-02 17:59                   ` Williams, Dan J
2020-06-03  8:26                   ` Jan Kara
2020-06-03  8:26                     ` Jan Kara
2020-06-03  9:09                     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2020-06-03  9:09                       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2020-06-08  7:42                       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2020-06-08  7:42                         ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2020-06-01 10:09         ` Jan Kara
2020-06-01 10:09           ` Jan Kara
2020-06-01 12:01           ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2020-06-01 12:01             ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2020-06-01 12:07             ` Michal Suchánek
2020-06-01 12:07               ` Michal Suchánek
2020-06-01 12:20               ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2020-06-01 12:20                 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2020-06-02  7:57                 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V [this message]
2020-06-02  7:57                   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2020-06-01 14:56             ` Jan Kara
2020-06-01 14:56               ` Jan Kara

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