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From: "Kuehling, Felix" <Felix.Kuehling@amd.com>
To: Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com>,
	Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
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	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
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	"Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	"Yang, Philip" <Philip.Yang@amd.com>,
	"Koenig, Christian" <Christian.Koenig@amd.com>,
	"Blinzer, Paul" <Paul.Blinzer@amd.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	"rcampbell@nvidia.com" <rcampbell@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 02/14] mm/hms: heterogenenous memory system (HMS) documentation
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 00:54:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <935c9f17-d2df-9eff-eef6-52e57711fecc@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <de7c1099-2717-6396-bf56-c4ab4085ee83@deltatee.com>

On 2018-12-04 2:11 p.m., Logan Gunthorpe wrote:
> Also, in the same vein, I think it's wrong to have the API enumerate all
> the different memory available in the system. The API should simply
> allow userspace to say it wants memory that can be accessed by a set of
> initiators with a certain set of attributes and the bind call tries to
> fulfill that or fallback on system memory/hmm migration/whatever.

That gets pretty complex when you also have take into account contention
of links and bridges when multiple initiators are accessing multiple
targets simultaneously. If you want the kernel to make sane decisions,
it needs a lot more information about the expected memory access patterns.

Highly optimized algorithms that use multiple GPUs and collective
communications between them want to be able to place their memory
objects in the right location to avoid such contention. You don't want
such an algorithm to guess about opaque policy decisions in the kernel.
If the policy changes, you have to re-optimize the algorithm.

Regards,
  Felix


>
> Logan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-12-05  0:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 171+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-03 23:34 [RFC PATCH 00/14] Heterogeneous Memory System (HMS) and hbind() jglisse
2018-12-03 23:34 ` jglisse
2018-12-03 23:34 ` [RFC PATCH 01/14] mm/hms: heterogeneous memory system (sysfs infrastructure) jglisse
2018-12-03 23:34 ` [RFC PATCH 02/14] mm/hms: heterogenenous memory system (HMS) documentation jglisse
2018-12-04 17:06   ` Andi Kleen
2018-12-04 17:06     ` Andi Kleen
2018-12-04 18:24     ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 18:24       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 18:31       ` Dan Williams
2018-12-04 18:57         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 18:57           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 19:11           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-04 19:22             ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 19:22               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 19:41               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-04 20:13                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 20:13                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 20:30                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-04 20:59                     ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 20:59                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 21:19                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-04 21:51                         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 21:51                           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 22:16                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-04 23:56                             ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 23:56                               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05  1:15                               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-05  2:31                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05  2:31                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 17:41                                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-05 18:07                                     ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 18:07                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 18:20                                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-05 18:33                                         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 18:33                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 18:48                                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-05 18:55                                             ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 18:55                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 19:10                                               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-05 22:58                                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 22:58                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 23:09                                                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-05 23:20                                                     ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 23:20                                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 23:23                                                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-05 23:27                                                         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-06  0:08                                                           ` Dan Williams
2018-12-05  2:34                                 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-05  2:37                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05  2:37                                     ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 17:25                                     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-05 18:01                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 18:01                                         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 20:14             ` Andi Kleen
2018-12-04 20:47               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-04 21:15                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 21:15                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05  0:54             ` Kuehling, Felix [this message]
2018-12-04 19:19           ` Dan Williams
2018-12-04 19:32             ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 19:32               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 20:12       ` Andi Kleen
2018-12-04 20:41         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 20:41           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05  4:36       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2018-12-05  4:41         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05  4:41           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 10:52   ` Mike Rapoport
2018-12-05 10:52     ` Mike Rapoport
2018-12-03 23:34 ` [RFC PATCH 03/14] mm/hms: add target memory to heterogeneous memory system infrastructure jglisse
2018-12-03 23:34 ` [RFC PATCH 04/14] mm/hms: add initiator " jglisse
2018-12-03 23:35 ` [RFC PATCH 05/14] mm/hms: add link " jglisse
2018-12-03 23:35 ` [RFC PATCH 06/14] mm/hms: add bridge " jglisse
2018-12-03 23:35 ` [RFC PATCH 07/14] mm/hms: register main memory with heterogenenous memory system jglisse
2018-12-03 23:35 ` [RFC PATCH 08/14] mm/hms: register main CPUs " jglisse
2018-12-03 23:35 ` [RFC PATCH 09/14] mm/hms: hbind() for heterogeneous memory system (aka mbind() for HMS) jglisse
2018-12-03 23:35 ` [RFC PATCH 10/14] mm/hbind: add heterogeneous memory policy tracking infrastructure jglisse
2018-12-03 23:35 ` [RFC PATCH 11/14] mm/hbind: add bind command to heterogeneous memory policy jglisse
2018-12-03 23:35 ` [RFC PATCH 12/14] mm/hbind: add migrate command to hbind() ioctl jglisse
2018-12-03 23:35 ` [RFC PATCH 13/14] drm/nouveau: register GPU under heterogeneous memory system jglisse
2018-12-03 23:35 ` [RFC PATCH 14/14] test/hms: tests for " jglisse
2018-12-04  7:44 ` [RFC PATCH 00/14] Heterogeneous Memory System (HMS) and hbind() Aneesh Kumar K.V
2018-12-04  7:44   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2018-12-04 14:44   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 14:44     ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 14:44     ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 18:02 ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-04 18:02   ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-04 18:49   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 18:49     ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 18:49     ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 18:54     ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-04 18:54       ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-04 19:11       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 19:11         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 19:11         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 21:37     ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-04 21:37       ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-04 21:57       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 21:57         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 21:57         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 23:58         ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-04 23:58           ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-05  0:29           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05  0:29             ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05  0:29             ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05  1:22         ` Kuehling, Felix
2018-12-05  1:22           ` Kuehling, Felix
2018-12-05  1:22           ` Kuehling, Felix
2018-12-05 11:27     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2018-12-05 11:27       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2018-12-05 16:09       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 16:09         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 16:09         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-04 23:54 ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-04 23:54   ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-05  0:15   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05  0:15     ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05  0:15     ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05  1:06     ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-05  1:06       ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-05  2:13       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05  2:13         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05  2:13         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 17:27         ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-05 17:27           ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-05 17:53           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 17:53             ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 17:53             ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-06 18:25             ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-06 18:25               ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-06 19:20               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-06 19:20                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-06 19:20                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-06 19:31                 ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-06 19:31                   ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-06 20:11                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-06 20:11                     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-06 22:04                     ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-06 22:04                       ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-06 22:39                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-06 22:39                         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-06 22:39                         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-06 23:09                         ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-06 23:09                           ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-06 23:28                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-06 23:28                             ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-06 23:34                             ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-06 23:34                               ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-06 23:38                             ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-06 23:38                               ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-06 23:48                               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-06 23:48                                 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-12-07  0:20                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-07  0:20                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-07  0:20                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-07 15:06                                   ` Jonathan Cameron
2018-12-07 15:06                                     ` Jonathan Cameron
2018-12-07 15:06                                     ` Jonathan Cameron
2018-12-07 19:37                                     ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-07 19:37                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-07 19:37                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-07  0:15                           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-07  0:15                             ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-07  0:15                             ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-06 20:27                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-06 20:27                     ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-06 20:27                     ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-06 21:46                     ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-06 21:46                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-06 21:46                       ` Jerome Glisse

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