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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-x86_64@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	linuxram@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] pkeys: Introduce PKEY_ALLOC_SIGNALINHERIT and change signal semantics
Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 07:42:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <99bb879a-6655-33bf-9521-39466f73b8b8@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AE502DA2-5B8E-4144-937F-E39DCCC57540@amacapital.net>

On 05/02/2018 06:14 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> I think you are saying: If a thread calls pkey_alloc(), all
>> threads should, by default, implicitly get access.
> No, I’m saying that all threads should get the *requested* access.
> If I’m protecting the GOT, I want all threads to get RO access. If
> I’m writing a crypto library, I probably want all threads to have no
> access.  If I’m writing a database, I probably want all threads to
> get RO by default.  If I’m writing some doodad to sandbox some
> carefully constructed code, I might want all threads to have full
> access by default.

OK, fair enough.  I totally agree that the current interface (or
architecture for that matter) is not amenable to use models where we are
implicitly imposing policies on *other* threads.

I don't think that means the current stuff is broken for
multi-threading, though, just the (admittedly useful) cases you are
talking about where you want to poke at a remote thread's PKRU.

So, where do we go from here?

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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-x86_64@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	linuxram@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] pkeys: Introduce PKEY_ALLOC_SIGNALINHERIT and change signal semantics
Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 07:42:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <99bb879a-6655-33bf-9521-39466f73b8b8@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AE502DA2-5B8E-4144-937F-E39DCCC57540@amacapital.net>

On 05/02/2018 06:14 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> I think you are saying: If a thread calls pkey_alloc(), all
>> threads should, by default, implicitly get access.
> No, Ia??m saying that all threads should get the *requested* access.
> If Ia??m protecting the GOT, I want all threads to get RO access. If
> Ia??m writing a crypto library, I probably want all threads to have no
> access.  If Ia??m writing a database, I probably want all threads to
> get RO by default.  If Ia??m writing some doodad to sandbox some
> carefully constructed code, I might want all threads to have full
> access by default.

OK, fair enough.  I totally agree that the current interface (or
architecture for that matter) is not amenable to use models where we are
implicitly imposing policies on *other* threads.

I don't think that means the current stuff is broken for
multi-threading, though, just the (admittedly useful) cases you are
talking about where you want to poke at a remote thread's PKRU.

So, where do we go from here?

  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-03 14:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-02 13:26 [PATCH] pkeys: Introduce PKEY_ALLOC_SIGNALINHERIT and change signal semantics Florian Weimer
2018-05-02 14:30 ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-02 15:12   ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-02 15:12     ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-02 15:28     ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-02 15:28       ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-02 21:08       ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-02 22:03         ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-02 22:03           ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-07  9:47           ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-07  9:47             ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-02 17:09     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-05-02 17:17       ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-02 17:17         ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-02 20:41         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-05-02 21:06           ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-02 21:06             ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-02 21:23             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-05-02 22:08               ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-02 22:22                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-05-02 22:32                   ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-02 23:32                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-05-02 23:58                       ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-02 23:58                         ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-03  1:14                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-05-03 14:42                           ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2018-05-03 14:42                             ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-03 14:42                           ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-03 14:42                             ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-03  2:10               ` Ram Pai
2018-05-03  4:05                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-05-07  9:48                   ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-08  2:49                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-05-08  2:49                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-05-08 12:40                       ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-08 12:40                         ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-09 14:41                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-05-09 14:41                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-05-14 12:01                           ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-14 12:01                             ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-14 15:32                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-05-14 15:32                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-05-14 15:32                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-05-14 15:34                               ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-14 15:34                                 ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-14 15:34                                 ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-16 17:01                                 ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-16 17:01                                   ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-16 17:01                                   ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-16 20:52                             ` Ram Pai
2018-05-16 20:52                               ` Ram Pai
2018-05-16 20:54                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-05-16 20:54                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-05-16 20:35                         ` Ram Pai
2018-05-16 20:35                           ` Ram Pai
2018-05-16 20:37                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-05-16 20:37                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-05-16 21:07                             ` Ram Pai
2018-05-16 21:07                               ` Ram Pai
2018-05-17 10:09                               ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-17 10:09                                 ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-17 10:11                           ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-17 10:11                             ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-03 14:37               ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-02 21:12     ` Ram Pai
2018-05-02 21:12       ` Ram Pai
2018-05-02 21:18       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-05-02 23:38         ` Ram Pai
2018-05-02 23:38           ` Ram Pai
2018-05-07  9:47           ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-07  9:47             ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-07  9:43         ` Florian Weimer

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