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@ 2016-10-10  0:35 Paul Eggleton
  2016-10-10  3:29 ` akuster808
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Paul Eggleton @ 2016-10-10  0:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: openembedded-core

Hi folks,

I've been going through the commits in preparation for our release notes, and 
unfortunately what I'm seeing is that the number of empty or incomplete commit 
messages has noticeably increased over previous releases. Commit messages are 
vitally important to providing a readable history, not just in support of 
preparing release notes, but also if you're trying to track down a regression 
or any other reason you might want to go back and find out what has been done 
and most importantly *why*.

Here are our commit message guidelines, which have been in place for some 
time:

  http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/Commit_Patch_Message_Guidelines

I know everyone's busy, but please take 5 minutes to read these if you haven't 
recently and try to keep them in mind when writing commit messages. No commit 
is too trivial for a complete commit message.

Thanks,
Paul

-- 

Paul Eggleton
Intel Open Source Technology Centre


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* Re: Commit messages
  2016-10-10  0:35 Commit messages Paul Eggleton
@ 2016-10-10  3:29 ` akuster808
  2016-10-10  3:46   ` Paul Eggleton
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: akuster808 @ 2016-10-10  3:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Paul Eggleton, openembedded-core


Paul,


On 10/09/2016 05:35 PM, Paul Eggleton wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I've been going through the commits in preparation for our release notes, and
> unfortunately what I'm seeing is that the number of empty or incomplete commit
> messages has noticeably increased over previous releases. Commit messages are
> vitally important to providing a readable history, not just in support of
> preparing release notes, but also if you're trying to track down a regression
> or any other reason you might want to go back and find out what has been done
> and most importantly *why*.
Also helps in determining if a commit needs to be backported to stable 
branches.

> Here are our commit message guidelines, which have been in place for some
> time:
>
>    http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/Commit_Patch_Message_Guidelines
>
> I know everyone's busy, but please take 5 minutes to read these if you haven't
> recently and try to keep them in mind when writing commit messages. No commit
> is too trivial for a complete commit message.
Agreed. We also need more folks reviewing incoming patches to help 
spread the load.

The other options is to should start rejecting commits that do comply to 
the guidelines.

Thanks for bringing this up.


Regards,
Armin
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>



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* Re: Commit messages
  2016-10-10  3:29 ` akuster808
@ 2016-10-10  3:46   ` Paul Eggleton
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Paul Eggleton @ 2016-10-10  3:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: akuster808; +Cc: openembedded-core

Hi Armin,

On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 20:29:39 akuster808 wrote:
> On 10/09/2016 05:35 PM, Paul Eggleton wrote:
> > I've been going through the commits in preparation for our release notes,
> > and unfortunately what I'm seeing is that the number of empty or
> > incomplete commit messages has noticeably increased over previous
> > releases. Commit messages are vitally important to providing a readable
> > history, not just in support of preparing release notes, but also if
> > you're trying to track down a regression or any other reason you might
> > want to go back and find out what has been done and most importantly
> > *why*.
> 
> Also helps in determining if a commit needs to be backported to stable
> branches.

Indeed.
 
> > Here are our commit message guidelines, which have been in place for some
> > 
> > time:
> >    http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/Commit_Patch_Message_Guidelines
> > 
> > I know everyone's busy, but please take 5 minutes to read these if you
> > haven't recently and try to keep them in mind when writing commit
> > messages. No commit is too trivial for a complete commit message.
> 
> Agreed. We also need more folks reviewing incoming patches to help
> spread the load.

That is indeed true.

> The other options is to should start rejecting commits that do comply to
> the guidelines.

Actually I forgot to mention one thing in my email - it's been a long time 
coming, but we should soon have a set of tests automatically run on incoming 
patches, which would immediately flag these kinds of basic things up before a 
human needs to look at the patch. More to come on that soon.

Cheers,
Paul

-- 

Paul Eggleton
Intel Open Source Technology Centre


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* Re: Commit messages
  2022-03-23 15:32                   ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
@ 2022-03-25 15:56                     ` Paul Menzel
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Paul Menzel @ 2022-03-25 15:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christian König, Daniel Stone, Alex Deucher
  Cc: amd-gfx, Arunpravin Paneer Selvam, intel-gfx, dri-devel,
	Matthew Auld, Alexander Deucher

Dear Christian, dear Daniel, dear Alex,


Am 23.03.22 um 16:32 schrieb Christian König:
> Am 23.03.22 um 16:24 schrieb Daniel Stone:
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 at 15:14, Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 11:04 AM Daniel Stone <daniel@fooishbar.org> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> That's not what anyone's saying here ...
>>>>
>>>> No-one's demanding AMD publish RTL, or internal design docs, or
>>>> hardware specs, or URLs to JIRA tickets no-one can access.
>>>>
>>>> This is a large and invasive commit with pretty big ramifications;
>>>> containing exactly two lines of commit message, one of which just
>>>> duplicates the subject.
>>>>
>>>> It cannot be the case that it's completely impossible to provide any
>>>> justification, background, or details, about this commit being made.
>>>> Unless, of course, it's to fix a non-public security issue, that is
>>>> reasonable justification for eliding some of the details. But then
>>>> again, 'huge change which is very deliberately opaque' is a really
>>>> good way to draw a lot of attention to the commit, and it would be
>>>> better to provide more detail about the change to help it slip under
>>>> the radar.
>>>>
>>>> If dri-devel@ isn't allowed to inquire about patches which are posted,
>>>> then CCing the list is just a façade; might as well just do it all
>>>> internally and periodically dump out pull requests.
>>> I think we are in agreement. I think the withheld information
>>> Christian was referring to was on another thread with Christian and
>>> Paul discussing a workaround for a hardware bug:
>>> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spinics.net%2Flists%2Famd-gfx%2Fmsg75908.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cchristian.koenig%40amd.com%7C6a3f2815d83b4872577008da0ce1347a%7C3dd8961fe4884e608e11a82d994e183d%7C0%7C0%7C637836458652370599%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=QtNB0XHMhTgH%2FNHMwF23Qn%2BgSdYyHJSenbpP%2FHG%2BkxE%3D&amp;reserved=0 

(Thank you Microsoft for keeping us safe.)

I guess it proves, how assuming what other people should know/have read, 
especially when crossing message threads, is causing confusion and 
misunderstandings.

>> Right, that definitely seems like some crossed wires. I don't see
>> anything wrong with that commit at all: the commit message and a
>> comment notes that there is a hardware issue preventing Raven from
>> being able to do TMZ+GTT, and the code does the very straightforward
>> and obvious thing to ensure that on VCN 1.0, any TMZ buffer must be
>> VRAM-placed.

My questions were:

> Where is that documented, and how can this be reproduced? 

Shouldn’t these be answered by the commit message? In five(?) years, 
somebody, maybe even with access to the currently non-public documents, 
finds a fault in the commit, and would be helped by having an 
document/errata number where to look at. To verify the fix, the 
developer would need a method to produce the error, so why not just 
share it?

Also, I assume that workarounds often come with downsides, as otherwise 
it would have been programmed like this from the beginning, or instead 
of “workaround” it would be called “improvement”. Shouldn’t that also be 
answered?

So totally made-up example:

Currently, there is a graphics corruption running X on system Y. This is 
caused by a hardware bug in Raven ASIC (details internal document 
#NNNN/AMD-Jira #N), and can be worked around by [what is in the commit 
message].

The workaround does not affect the performance, and testing X shows the 
error is fixed.

>> This one, on the other hand, is much less clear ...
> 
> Yes, completely agree. I mean a good bunch of comments on commit 
> messages are certainly valid and we could improve them.

That’d be great.

> But this patch here was worked on by both AMD and Intel developers. 
> Where both sides and I think even people from other companies perfectly 
> understands why, what, how etc...
> 
> When now somebody comes along and asks for a whole explanation of the 
> context why we do it then that sounds really strange to me.

The motivation should be part of the commit message. I didn’t mean 
anyone to rewrite buddy memory allocator Wikipedia article [1]. But the 
commit message at hand for switching the allocator is definitely too terse.


Kind regards,

Paul


[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_memory_allocation

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* Re: Commit messages
  2009-01-13 20:24       ` Commit messages Teemu Likonen
@ 2009-01-14 16:55         ` Ted Pavlic
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Ted Pavlic @ 2009-01-14 16:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Teemu Likonen; +Cc: git

That rule could be modified to support .stgit-edit.txt as well.

> (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist
>               '("/\\.git/\\(COMMIT\\|TAG\\)_EDITMSG\\'" .
>                 vcs-message-mode))

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted@tedpavlic.com>

   Please visit my ALS association page:
         http://web.alsa.org/goto/tedpavlic
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* Commit messages
  2009-01-13 20:10     ` Adeodato Simó
@ 2009-01-13 20:24       ` Teemu Likonen
  2009-01-14 16:55         ` Ted Pavlic
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Teemu Likonen @ 2009-01-13 20:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Adeodato Simó
  Cc: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr., Shawn O. Pearce, Ted Pavlic, git, Junio C Hamano

Adeodato Simó (2009-01-13 21:10 +0100) wrote:

> * Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:03:11 -0600]:
>
>> My rule for this is absolutely no more than 80 characters.
>
> My rule for *all* of the commit message is "absolutely no more than 76
> characters". With more than 76, `git log` wraps in a 80-column terminal.

Here's my rule:


(add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist
             '("/\\.git/\\(COMMIT\\|TAG\\)_EDITMSG\\'" .
               vcs-message-mode))

(define-derived-mode vcs-message-mode text-mode "VCS-message"
  "Major mode for editing commit and tag messages." 
  (auto-fill-mode 1)
  (set (make-local-variable 'tab-stop-list)
       (number-sequence 4 100 4))
  (setq indent-tabs-mode nil
        fill-column 72
        truncate-lines t))

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2022-03-23  6:25 [PATCH v11] drm/amdgpu: add drm buddy support to amdgpu Arunpravin Paneer Selvam
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2022-03-23  7:42   ` Christian König
2022-03-23  8:10     ` Commit messages (was: [PATCH v11] drm/amdgpu: add drm buddy support to amdgpu) Paul Menzel
2022-03-23  8:18       ` Christian König
2022-03-23 14:00         ` Daniel Stone
2022-03-23 14:42           ` Alex Deucher
2022-03-23 15:03             ` Daniel Stone
2022-03-23 15:14               ` Alex Deucher
2022-03-23 15:24                 ` Daniel Stone
2022-03-23 15:32                   ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-03-25 15:56                     ` Commit messages Paul Menzel
2009-01-13 16:11 [PATCH 3/3] Adds a #!bash to the top of bash completions so that editors can recognize, it as a bash script. Also adds a few simple comments above commands that, take arguments. The comments are meant to remind editors of potential, problems that can occur when the script is sourced on systems with "set, -u." Ted Pavlic
2009-01-13 16:45 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2009-01-13 20:03   ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
2009-01-13 20:10     ` Adeodato Simó
2009-01-13 20:24       ` Commit messages Teemu Likonen
2009-01-14 16:55         ` Ted Pavlic

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