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From: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>
To: balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, npiggin@kernel.dk,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com, cl@linux.com,
	kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] Provide control over unmapped pages (v4)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:41:44 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=hhKJGXwe1OyFsGF9StLJnYFX+QqUpNLXmfVc=@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin4JM6phwy0wuV6fV-i-3UwP_GGmXh1vN=Wz2u=@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know why the part of message is deleted only when I send you.
Maybe it's gmail bug.

I hope mail sending is successful in this turn. :)

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry for late response.
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>> * MinChan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com> [2011-01-28 16:24:19]:
>>
>>> >
>>> > But the assumption for LRU order to change happens only if the page
>>> > cannot be successfully freed, which means it is in some way active..
>>> > and needs to be moved no?
>>>
>>> 1. holded page by someone
>>> 2. mapped pages
>>> 3. active pages
>>>
>>> 1 is rare so it isn't the problem.
>>> Of course, in case of 3, we have to activate it so no problem.
>>> The problem is 2.
>>>
>>
>> 2 is a problem, but due to the size aspects not a big one. Like you
>> said even lumpy reclaim affects it. May be the reclaim code could
>> honour may_unmap much earlier.
>
> Even if it is, it's a trade-off to get a big contiguous memory. I
> don't want to add new mess. (In addition, lumpy is weak by compaction
> as time goes by)
> What I have in mind for preventing LRU ignore is that put the page
> into original position instead of head of lru. Maybe it can help the
> situation both lumpy and your case. But it's another story.
>
> How about the idea?
>
> I borrow the idea from CFLRU[1]
> - PCFLRU(Page-Cache First LRU)
>
> When we allocates new page for page cache, we adds the page into LRU's tail.
> When we map the page cache into page table, we rotate the page into LRU's head.
>
> So, inactive list's result is following as.
>
> M.P : mapped page
> N.P : none-mapped page
>
> HEAD-M.P-M.P-M.P-M.P-N.P-N.P-N.P-N.P-N.P-TAIL
>
> Admin can set threshold window size which determines stop reclaiming
> none-mapped page contiguously.
>
> I think it needs some tweak of page cache/page mapping functions but
> we can use kswapd/direct reclaim without change.
>
> Also, it can change page reclaim policy totally but it's just what you
> want, I think.
>
> [1] http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.100.6188&rep=rep1&type=pdf
>
>>
>> --
>>        Three Cheers,
>>        Balbir
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Minchan Kim
>



-- 
Kind regards,
Minchan Kim

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From: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>
To: balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, npiggin@kernel.dk,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com, cl@linux.com,
	kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] Provide control over unmapped pages (v4)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:41:44 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=hhKJGXwe1OyFsGF9StLJnYFX+QqUpNLXmfVc=@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin4JM6phwy0wuV6fV-i-3UwP_GGmXh1vN=Wz2u=@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know why the part of message is deleted only when I send you.
Maybe it's gmail bug.

I hope mail sending is successful in this turn. :)

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry for late response.
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>> * MinChan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com> [2011-01-28 16:24:19]:
>>
>>> >
>>> > But the assumption for LRU order to change happens only if the page
>>> > cannot be successfully freed, which means it is in some way active..
>>> > and needs to be moved no?
>>>
>>> 1. holded page by someone
>>> 2. mapped pages
>>> 3. active pages
>>>
>>> 1 is rare so it isn't the problem.
>>> Of course, in case of 3, we have to activate it so no problem.
>>> The problem is 2.
>>>
>>
>> 2 is a problem, but due to the size aspects not a big one. Like you
>> said even lumpy reclaim affects it. May be the reclaim code could
>> honour may_unmap much earlier.
>
> Even if it is, it's a trade-off to get a big contiguous memory. I
> don't want to add new mess. (In addition, lumpy is weak by compaction
> as time goes by)
> What I have in mind for preventing LRU ignore is that put the page
> into original position instead of head of lru. Maybe it can help the
> situation both lumpy and your case. But it's another story.
>
> How about the idea?
>
> I borrow the idea from CFLRU[1]
> - PCFLRU(Page-Cache First LRU)
>
> When we allocates new page for page cache, we adds the page into LRU's tail.
> When we map the page cache into page table, we rotate the page into LRU's head.
>
> So, inactive list's result is following as.
>
> M.P : mapped page
> N.P : none-mapped page
>
> HEAD-M.P-M.P-M.P-M.P-N.P-N.P-N.P-N.P-N.P-TAIL
>
> Admin can set threshold window size which determines stop reclaiming
> none-mapped page contiguously.
>
> I think it needs some tweak of page cache/page mapping functions but
> we can use kswapd/direct reclaim without change.
>
> Also, it can change page reclaim policy totally but it's just what you
> want, I think.
>
> [1] http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.100.6188&rep=rep1&type=pdf
>
>>
>> --
>>        Three Cheers,
>>        Balbir
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Minchan Kim
>



-- 
Kind regards,
Minchan Kim

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-10  5:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-25  5:10 [PATCH 1/2] Refactor zone_reclaim code (v4) Balbir Singh
2011-01-25  5:10 ` Balbir Singh
2011-01-25  5:10 ` [PATCH 3/3] Provide control over unmapped pages (v4) Balbir Singh
2011-01-25  5:10   ` Balbir Singh
2011-01-26 16:57   ` Christoph Lameter
2011-01-26 16:57     ` Christoph Lameter
2011-01-26 17:43     ` Balbir Singh
2011-01-26 17:43       ` Balbir Singh
2011-01-26 23:12   ` Minchan Kim
2011-01-26 23:12     ` Minchan Kim
2011-01-28  2:56     ` Balbir Singh
2011-01-28  2:56       ` Balbir Singh
2011-01-28  5:44       ` Minchan Kim
2011-01-28  5:44         ` Minchan Kim
2011-01-28  6:48         ` Balbir Singh
2011-01-28  6:48           ` Balbir Singh
2011-01-28  6:48           ` Balbir Singh
2011-01-28  7:24           ` Minchan Kim
2011-01-28  7:24             ` Minchan Kim
2011-01-28  7:56             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-01-28  7:56               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-01-28  7:56               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-01-28  8:19               ` Balbir Singh
2011-01-28  8:19                 ` Balbir Singh
2011-01-28  8:19                 ` Balbir Singh
2011-01-28  8:17                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-01-28  8:17                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-01-28 12:02                   ` Balbir Singh
2011-01-28 12:02                     ` Balbir Singh
2011-01-28 15:20               ` Christoph Lameter
2011-01-28 15:20                 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-01-30 23:58                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-01-30 23:58                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-01-31  4:37                   ` Balbir Singh
2011-01-31  4:37                     ` Balbir Singh
2011-01-28 11:18             ` Balbir Singh
2011-01-28 11:18               ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-10  5:33               ` Minchan Kim
2011-02-10  5:33                 ` Minchan Kim
2011-02-10  5:41                 ` Minchan Kim [this message]
2011-02-10  5:41                   ` Minchan Kim
2011-02-13 17:33                   ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-13 17:33                     ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-16 23:45                     ` Minchan Kim
2011-02-16 23:45                       ` Minchan Kim
2011-01-25  5:15 ` [PATCH 1/2] Refactor zone_reclaim code (v4) Balbir Singh
2011-01-25  5:15   ` Balbir Singh

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