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From: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>,
	Werner Fink <werner@suse.de>, Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: tty: add 'active' sysfs attribute to tty0 and console device
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:13:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTimn7zyEjLhmOmUVQGnLDfM-A_uEgWETsM3nsyuY@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101116155717.6671e484@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 16:57, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 16:46:40 +0100
> Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org> wrote:
>
>> commit be0d5f02c9194fe41c1aad11d7282db117bda938
>> Author: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
>> Date:   Tue Nov 9 18:53:59 2010 +0100
>>
>>     tty: add 'active' sysfs attribute to tty0 and console device
>
> This is all somewhat weird.
>
>>     Userspace can query the actual virtual console, and the configured
>>     console devices behind /dev/tt0 and /dev/console.
>
> All the other vt interface code is in the vt driver, the ioctls for it
> are in the vt driver and a query about what is the active vt only has
> meaning within that context as you need to post a waitevent first to
> track changes during the query. So if you need a VT_GETACTIVE interface
> put it in the tty ioctls where it can be properly locked and used.
>
>> +What:                /sys/class/tty/tty0/active
>> +Date:                Nov 2010
>> +Contact:     Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
>> +Description:
>> +              Shows the currently active virtual console
>> +              device, like 'tty1'.
>> +              The file supports poll() to detect virtual
>> +              console switches.
>
> NAK this, its a nonsense interface
>
> Seriously what use is an interface that tells you "what the console might
> have been", this is why we have a proper event tracking interface instead.

You mean the VT_WAITEVENT? Sleeping ioctls() can't be used. The time
between the check for the current, and you go to sleep in the ioctl()
for teh next is a window which isn't covered with such interface.

And 'might have been' does not matter, it's fine. We just need change
notification, and can query the actual vt again.

Kay

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-16 16:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-16 15:46 tty: add 'active' sysfs attribute to tty0 and console device Kay Sievers
2010-11-16 15:57 ` Alan Cox
2010-11-16 16:13   ` Kay Sievers [this message]
2010-11-16 17:14     ` Alan Cox
2010-11-16 18:51       ` Kay Sievers
2010-11-16 19:55         ` Alan Cox
2010-11-16 20:15           ` Kay Sievers
2010-11-16 20:49             ` Alan Cox
2010-11-16 21:29               ` Kay Sievers
2010-11-16 21:42               ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 22:51                 ` Alan Cox
2010-11-16 22:58                   ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 23:04                     ` Alan Cox
2010-11-16 23:18                       ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 23:49                         ` Etched Pixels
2010-11-16 21:36           ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 22:56             ` Alan Cox
2010-11-16 23:10               ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 23:45                 ` Alan Cox
2010-11-17 16:31                 ` John Stoffel
2010-11-17 22:01                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-11-17 23:40                   ` Kay Sievers
2010-11-17 23:56                     ` Alan Cox
2010-11-18  1:27                       ` Greg KH
2010-11-18  1:48                         ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-18  1:53                           ` Greg KH
2010-11-18  2:29                             ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-18 11:00                             ` Dr. Werner Fink
2010-11-18 11:23                               ` Alan Cox
2010-11-18 12:12                                 ` Dr. Werner Fink
2010-11-18 12:58                                   ` Alan Cox
2010-11-18 13:14                                     ` Dr. Werner Fink
2010-11-18 14:41                                       ` Alan Cox
2010-11-19 13:21                                         ` Dr. Werner Fink
2010-11-19 15:47                                           ` Alan Cox
2010-11-19 17:07                                             ` Dr. Werner Fink
2010-11-19 18:02                                             ` Greg KH
2010-11-19 18:41                                               ` Dr. Werner Fink
2010-11-20 12:40                                                 ` Alan Cox
2010-12-01 11:15                                                   ` Dr. Werner Fink
2010-11-18 12:04                               ` Kay Sievers
2010-11-18 10:15                         ` Alan Cox
2010-11-18 11:55                           ` Kay Sievers
2010-11-18 13:01                             ` Alan Cox
     [not found] <20101201112004.12d78cd7@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
2010-12-01 12:32 ` Dr. Werner Fink
     [not found]   ` <tiocgdev1@mdm.bga.com>
2010-12-03 11:48     ` Dr. Werner Fink

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