* 14e4:4315 help install @ 2010-08-06 19:52 mic cat 2010-08-06 20:08 ` Gábor Stefanik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: mic cat @ 2010-08-06 19:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: b43-dev Hi all Please i want help for install firmwear B43: -Bcm 4315 14e4:4315 rev 01 or -BCM 4322 14E4:432B REV01 I want try in backtrack4. But i no say install B43. Help me please. thank you -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/b43-dev/attachments/20100806/f17398b6/attachment.html> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* 14e4:4315 help install 2010-08-06 19:52 14e4:4315 help install mic cat @ 2010-08-06 20:08 ` Gábor Stefanik [not found] ` <AANLkTikB0k_6+rPb37M75wbNqE0TV9d_zu6DVbN5Tyjj@mail.gmail.com> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Gábor Stefanik @ 2010-08-06 20:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: b43-dev On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:52 PM, mic cat <micacatt@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all > Please i want help for install firmwear B43: > > -Bcm 4315 14e4:4315 rev 01 14e4:4315 is BCM4312. > or > -BCM 4322 14E4:432B REV01 > > > > I want try in backtrack4. But i no say install B43. BackTrack 4 already includes firmware for b43 ot-of-the-box. > > Help me please. thank you > _______________________________________________ > b43-dev mailing list > b43-dev at lists.infradead.org > http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/b43-dev > > -- Vista: [V]iruses, [I]ntruders, [S]pyware, [T]rojans and [A]dware. :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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* 14e4:4315 help install [not found] ` <AANLkTi=sOrwZqX4D+i4TWH_YNKoL6z56Ei8xVBNJWub2@mail.gmail.com> @ 2010-08-06 21:17 ` Gábor Stefanik [not found] ` <AANLkTi=ep953r4qxt7NWTwVbuA=aqH5iaL4vhPhWNVG6@mail.gmail.com> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Gábor Stefanik @ 2010-08-06 21:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: b43-dev BTW, remember to reply to all! 2010/8/6 G?bor Stefanik <netrolller.3d@gmail.com>: > Oops... yes, bt4 has a 2.6.31 kernel. Compile and install > compat-wireless to get 4312 support. > > 2010/8/6 mic cat <micacatt@gmail.com>: >> Tank for help but in bt4 my card no reconize >> i am test modprob b43 but no... >> >> >> >> 2010/8/6, G?bor Stefanik <netrolller.3d@gmail.com>: >>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:52 PM, mic cat <micacatt@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hi all >>>> Please i want help for install firmwear B43: >>>> >>>> -Bcm 4315 14e4:4315 rev 01 >>> >>> 14e4:4315 is BCM4312. >>> >>>> or >>>> -BCM 4322 14E4:432B REV01 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I want try in backtrack4. But i no say install B43. >>> >>> BackTrack 4 already includes firmware for b43 ot-of-the-box. >>> >>>> >>>> Help me please. thank you >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> b43-dev mailing list >>>> b43-dev at lists.infradead.org >>>> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/b43-dev >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Vista: [V]iruses, [I]ntruders, [S]pyware, [T]rojans and [A]dware. :-) >>> >> > > > > -- > Vista: [V]iruses, [I]ntruders, [S]pyware, [T]rojans and [A]dware. :-) > -- Vista: [V]iruses, [I]ntruders, [S]pyware, [T]rojans and [A]dware. :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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* 14e4:4315 help install [not found] ` <AANLkTi=ep953r4qxt7NWTwVbuA=aqH5iaL4vhPhWNVG6@mail.gmail.com> @ 2010-08-07 13:29 ` Gábor Stefanik 2010-08-08 9:49 ` mic cat 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Gábor Stefanik @ 2010-08-07 13:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: b43-dev The firmware is already installed in bt4 - only the driver needs to be updated. After doing "make install", do a "make unload", and a "modprobe b43" to load the updated b43 module. And please, use the Reply-to-all button when replying to a mailing list. 2010/8/7 mic cat <micacatt@gmail.com>: > Thank you for your help. > > I am download and install compat-wireless (make-makeinstall) > But no firmwear install. > > My card no listed. > > > > > 2010/8/6, G?bor Stefanik <netrolller.3d@gmail.com>: >> BTW, remember to reply to all! >> >> 2010/8/6 G?bor Stefanik <netrolller.3d@gmail.com>: >>> Oops... yes, bt4 has a 2.6.31 kernel. Compile and install >>> compat-wireless to get 4312 support. >>> >>> 2010/8/6 mic cat <micacatt@gmail.com>: >>>> Tank for help but in bt4 my card no reconize >>>> i am test modprob b43 but no... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2010/8/6, G?bor Stefanik <netrolller.3d@gmail.com>: >>>>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:52 PM, mic cat <micacatt@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Hi all >>>>>> Please i want help for install firmwear B43: >>>>>> >>>>>> -Bcm 4315 14e4:4315 rev 01 >>>>> >>>>> 14e4:4315 is BCM4312. >>>>> >>>>>> or >>>>>> -BCM 4322 14E4:432B REV01 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I want try in backtrack4. But i no say install B43. >>>>> >>>>> BackTrack 4 already includes firmware for b43 ot-of-the-box. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Help me please. thank you >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> b43-dev mailing list >>>>>> b43-dev at lists.infradead.org >>>>>> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/b43-dev >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Vista: [V]iruses, [I]ntruders, [S]pyware, [T]rojans and [A]dware. :-) >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Vista: [V]iruses, [I]ntruders, [S]pyware, [T]rojans and [A]dware. :-) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Vista: [V]iruses, [I]ntruders, [S]pyware, [T]rojans and [A]dware. :-) >> > -- Vista: [V]iruses, [I]ntruders, [S]pyware, [T]rojans and [A]dware. :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* 14e4:4315 help install 2010-08-07 13:29 ` Gábor Stefanik @ 2010-08-08 9:49 ` mic cat 2010-08-08 10:02 ` Rafał Miłecki 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: mic cat @ 2010-08-08 9:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: b43-dev HI. For my problem (14e4:4315),I'm download new "BT4" "R1" (2.6.34) And My Card "Work". (inteface:wlan0 chipset:broadcom driver:B43-{phy0} I am testing injection is "work". Very good card, but stop "work" sometimes. P.S I have card Pci :14e4:234b (appleAirport) is very good card with good reception. but i no say for linux. Or are the work if you like it for driver or firmwear.? Thank 2010/8/7, G?bor Stefanik <netrolller.3d@gmail.com>: > The firmware is already installed in bt4 - only the driver needs to be > updated. > After doing "make install", do a "make unload", and a "modprobe b43" > to load the updated b43 module. > > And please, use the Reply-to-all button when replying to a mailing list. > > 2010/8/7 mic cat <micacatt@gmail.com>: >> Thank you for your help. >> >> I am download and install compat-wireless (make-makeinstall) >> But no firmwear install. >> >> My card no listed. >> >> >> >> >> 2010/8/6, G?bor Stefanik <netrolller.3d@gmail.com>: >>> BTW, remember to reply to all! >>> >>> 2010/8/6 G?bor Stefanik <netrolller.3d@gmail.com>: >>>> Oops... yes, bt4 has a 2.6.31 kernel. Compile and install >>>> compat-wireless to get 4312 support. >>>> >>>> 2010/8/6 mic cat <micacatt@gmail.com>: >>>>> Tank for help but in bt4 my card no reconize >>>>> i am test modprob b43 but no... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2010/8/6, G?bor Stefanik <netrolller.3d@gmail.com>: >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:52 PM, mic cat <micacatt@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>> Please i want help for install firmwear B43: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Bcm 4315 14e4:4315 rev 01 >>>>>> >>>>>> 14e4:4315 is BCM4312. >>>>>> >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> -BCM 4322 14E4:432B REV01 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I want try in backtrack4. But i no say install B43. >>>>>> >>>>>> BackTrack 4 already includes firmware for b43 ot-of-the-box. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Help me please. thank you >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> b43-dev mailing list >>>>>>> b43-dev at lists.infradead.org >>>>>>> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/b43-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Vista: [V]iruses, [I]ntruders, [S]pyware, [T]rojans and [A]dware. :-) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Vista: [V]iruses, [I]ntruders, [S]pyware, [T]rojans and [A]dware. :-) >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Vista: [V]iruses, [I]ntruders, [S]pyware, [T]rojans and [A]dware. :-) >>> >> > > > > -- > Vista: [V]iruses, [I]ntruders, [S]pyware, [T]rojans and [A]dware. :-) > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* 14e4:4315 help install 2010-08-08 9:49 ` mic cat @ 2010-08-08 10:02 ` Rafał Miłecki 2010-08-08 10:03 ` Rafał Miłecki 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Rafał Miłecki @ 2010-08-08 10:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: b43-dev 2010/8/8 mic cat <micacatt@gmail.com>: > For my problem (14e4:4315),I'm download new "BT4" "R1" (2.6.34) > > And My Card "Work". (inteface:wlan0 ? ? chipset:broadcom ? ? driver:B43-{phy0} > I am testing injection is "work". Very good card, but stop "work" sometimes. Does it stop working only for injection? Or does it also happen in normal (managed) mode? What do you see in "dmesg" after card stops working? > P.S > I have card ?Pci :14e4:234b (appleAirport) is very good card ?with > good reception. > but i no say for linux. Or are the work if you like it for driver or firmwear.? I guess you mean 14e4:432b, right? It's not supported N-PHY card. Larry made great work writing specs but we lack developers to create driver. -- Rafa? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* 14e4:4315 help install 2010-08-08 10:02 ` Rafał Miłecki @ 2010-08-08 10:03 ` Rafał Miłecki 2010-08-08 10:44 ` mic cat 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Rafał Miłecki @ 2010-08-08 10:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: b43-dev You may also want to get familiar with: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 It contains some useful info. -- Rafa? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* 14e4:4315 help install 2010-08-08 10:03 ` Rafał Miłecki @ 2010-08-08 10:44 ` mic cat 2010-08-08 10:50 ` Rafał Miłecki 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: mic cat @ 2010-08-08 10:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: b43-dev Sorry for my longest.... My card stop in monitoring mode after 1 min. dmesg "http://pastebin.com/y1F9PYAF" and i have other problem. My card no scann in "wicd network-manager" for managed mode For card is "432b" yes and i am no dev. but thank for your job. 2010/8/8, Rafa? Mi?ecki <zajec5@gmail.com>: > You may also want to get familiar with: > http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 > > It contains some useful info. > > -- > Rafa? > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* 14e4:4315 help install 2010-08-08 10:44 ` mic cat @ 2010-08-08 10:50 ` Rafał Miłecki 2010-08-08 10:59 ` mic cat 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Rafał Miłecki @ 2010-08-08 10:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: b43-dev W dniu 8 sierpnia 2010 12:44 u?ytkownik mic cat <micacatt@gmail.com> napisa?: > Sorry for my longest.... > > My card stop in monitoring mode after 1 min. > dmesg "http://pastebin.com/y1F9PYAF" This is known DMA error, we suspect it may be fixed in 2.6.35. Is this possible for you to update kernel to 2.6.35 version? > and i have other problem. > My card no scann in "wicd network-manager" for managed mode Don't know much about "wicd". What about just "iwlist scan" executed in console? -- Rafa? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* 14e4:4315 help install 2010-08-08 10:50 ` Rafał Miłecki @ 2010-08-08 10:59 ` mic cat 2010-08-08 11:15 ` Rafał Miłecki 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: mic cat @ 2010-08-08 10:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: b43-dev Thank for reply fast. For Dma what is "PIO" (This device does not support DMA on your system. Please use PIO instead) For kernel i am try for upgrade "2.6.35" So iwlist scan : wlan0 (myBcm) No Scann Result. I have other card (Rt73) and work in managed Thank 2010/8/8, Rafa? Mi?ecki <zajec5@gmail.com>: > W dniu 8 sierpnia 2010 12:44 u?ytkownik mic cat <micacatt@gmail.com> > napisa?: >> Sorry for my longest.... >> >> My card stop in monitoring mode after 1 min. >> dmesg "http://pastebin.com/y1F9PYAF" > > This is known DMA error, we suspect it may be fixed in 2.6.35. Is this > possible for you to update kernel to 2.6.35 version? > > >> and i have other problem. >> My card no scann in "wicd network-manager" for managed mode > > Don't know much about "wicd". What about just "iwlist scan" executed in > console? > > > -- > Rafa? > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* 14e4:4315 help install 2010-08-08 10:59 ` mic cat @ 2010-08-08 11:15 ` Rafał Miłecki 2010-08-08 22:38 ` mic cat 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Rafał Miłecki @ 2010-08-08 11:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: b43-dev W dniu 8 sierpnia 2010 12:59 u?ytkownik mic cat <micacatt@gmail.com> napisa?: > For Dma what is "PIO" (This device does not support DMA on your > system. Please use PIO instead) You can use b43's parameter pio. For example like this: # rmmod b43 # modprobe b43 pio=1 Or booting with "b43.pio=1" (you can white this in GRUB). This will increase CPU usage, but should avoid DMA problems. However, as I mentioned, this this is not needed with 2.6.35 anymore. > For kernel i am try for upgrade "2.6.35" Thanks! Please share results! We're very interested in information if using 2.6.35 helps with DMA errors. > So iwlist scan : wlan0 (myBcm) No Scann Result. No idea about this issue :| -- Rafa? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* 14e4:4315 help install 2010-08-08 11:15 ` Rafał Miłecki @ 2010-08-08 22:38 ` mic cat 2010-08-09 16:27 ` mic cat 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: mic cat @ 2010-08-08 22:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: b43-dev Hi I'am upgrade Kernel "2.6.35" My card no work manged mode. monitoring mode work perfectly and no problem with dma or pio.... but injection mode no work. How to fix (with patch mac80211 injection) I have ubuntu 2.6.35 thank ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* 14e4:4315 help install 2010-08-08 22:38 ` mic cat @ 2010-08-09 16:27 ` mic cat 2010-08-09 18:03 ` Rafał Miłecki 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: mic cat @ 2010-08-09 16:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: b43-dev Hi My card 4312 no work "2.6.34" and "2.6.35" kernel my card stop work after 2min managed, and monitoring. Please how to fix this. thank ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* 14e4:4315 help install 2010-08-09 16:27 ` mic cat @ 2010-08-09 18:03 ` Rafał Miłecki 2010-08-09 18:47 ` mic cat 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Rafał Miłecki @ 2010-08-09 18:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: b43-dev 2010/8/9 mic cat <micacatt@gmail.com>: > My card 4312 no work "2.6.34" and "2.6.35" kernel > > my card stop work after 2min managed, and monitoring. > > Please how to fix this. What do you see in "dmesg" after card stops working in 2.6.35? Is this again DMA error? -- Rafa? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* 14e4:4315 help install 2010-08-09 18:03 ` Rafał Miłecki @ 2010-08-09 18:47 ` mic cat 2010-08-09 21:10 ` Gábor Stefanik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: mic cat @ 2010-08-09 18:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: b43-dev Hi thank reply I think 2.6.35 is DMA "http://pastebin.com/8KzwwXP4" but 2.6.35 my card no stop monitoring just stop after 2 min "network managed" Have you a solution for problem? thank 2010/8/9, Rafa? Mi?ecki <zajec5@gmail.com>: > 2010/8/9 mic cat <micacatt@gmail.com>: >> My card 4312 no work "2.6.34" and "2.6.35" kernel >> >> my card stop work after 2min managed, and monitoring. >> >> Please how to fix this. > > What do you see in "dmesg" after card stops working in 2.6.35? Is this > again DMA error? > > -- > Rafa? > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* 14e4:4315 help install 2010-08-09 18:47 ` mic cat @ 2010-08-09 21:10 ` Gábor Stefanik 2010-08-10 15:14 ` mic cat 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Gábor Stefanik @ 2010-08-09 21:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: b43-dev 2010/8/9 mic cat <micacatt@gmail.com>: > Hi thank reply > > I think 2.6.35 is DMA ?"http://pastebin.com/8KzwwXP4" > but 2.6.35 my card no stop monitoring > ?just stop after 2 min "network managed" > > Have you a solution for problem? thank > > Indeed, that is a DMA error. What's odd, though, is that after the error, the card does manage to reconnect once - even though the usual behavior is complete unusability immediately beginning with the moment of the DMA error. Two workarounds are known: one is to load b43 with "qos=0 nohwcrypt=1 pio=1" (this disables DMA and falls back to PIO), the other is to load and unload the Broadcom-proprietary "wl" driver before loading b43. > > 2010/8/9, Rafa? Mi?ecki <zajec5@gmail.com>: >> 2010/8/9 mic cat <micacatt@gmail.com>: >>> My card 4312 no work "2.6.34" and "2.6.35" kernel >>> >>> my card stop work after 2min managed, and monitoring. >>> >>> Please how to fix this. >> >> What do you see in "dmesg" after card stops working in 2.6.35? Is this >> again DMA error? >> >> -- >> Rafa? >> > > _______________________________________________ > b43-dev mailing list > b43-dev at lists.infradead.org > http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/b43-dev > -- Vista: [V]iruses, [I]ntruders, [S]pyware, [T]rojans and [A]dware. :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* 14e4:4315 help install 2010-08-09 21:10 ` Gábor Stefanik @ 2010-08-10 15:14 ` mic cat 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: mic cat @ 2010-08-10 15:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: b43-dev Hi thank reply......anymore My card work managed mode with kernel "2.6.35" with : "rmmod b43" && "modprobe b43 nohwcrypt=1 pio=1 qos=0" But how to (backup / edit) the "b43 driver" so that it can always started without problem. But my card no working "promisious" mode. stop working after "15 second" "dmesg" say just "device mon0 entered promiscious mode" "NOHZ : Local_softirq_pending 08" "NOHZ : Local_softirq_pending 08" thank for reply 2010/8/9, G?bor Stefanik <netrolller.3d@gmail.com>: > 2010/8/9 mic cat <micacatt@gmail.com>: >> Hi thank reply >> >> I think 2.6.35 is DMA ?"http://pastebin.com/8KzwwXP4" >> but 2.6.35 my card no stop monitoring >> ?just stop after 2 min "network managed" >> >> Have you a solution for problem? thank >> >> > > Indeed, that is a DMA error. What's odd, though, is that after the > error, the card does manage to reconnect once - even though the usual > behavior is complete unusability immediately beginning with the moment > of the DMA error. > > Two workarounds are known: one is to load b43 with "qos=0 nohwcrypt=1 > pio=1" (this disables DMA and falls back to PIO), the other is to load > and unload the Broadcom-proprietary "wl" driver before loading b43. > >> >> 2010/8/9, Rafa? Mi?ecki <zajec5@gmail.com>: >>> 2010/8/9 mic cat <micacatt@gmail.com>: >>>> My card 4312 no work "2.6.34" and "2.6.35" kernel >>>> >>>> my card stop work after 2min managed, and monitoring. >>>> >>>> Please how to fix this. >>> >>> What do you see in "dmesg" after card stops working in 2.6.35? Is this >>> again DMA error? >>> >>> -- >>> Rafa? >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> b43-dev mailing list >> b43-dev at lists.infradead.org >> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/b43-dev >> > > > > -- > Vista: [V]iruses, [I]ntruders, [S]pyware, [T]rojans and [A]dware. :-) > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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