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From: Grant Likely <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Mitch Bradley <wmb-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: benh-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	"devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org"
	<devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Brown
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	<linux-tegra-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	John Bonesio <bones-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Stephen Warren <swarren-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Olof Johansson <olofj-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 2/2] ARM:Tegra: Device Tree Support: Initialize audio card gpio's from the device tree.
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 00:22:49 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTimTMdzWUX=xr7TyVXwM5FoVvRz2Zg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DE336A1.5040509-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Mitch Bradley <wmb-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On 5/29/2011 8:11 PM, Grant Likely wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:38:27AM +0800, Mark Brown wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 08:11:34PM -0700, Olof Johansson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Mark Brown
>>>
>>>>> This is a step back from the usability of the existing platform data -
>>>>> the platform data uses a series of individually named GPIOs while this
>>>>> uses an array of GPIO numbers with magic indexes.  The fact that you
>>>>> need comments explaining what the functions of the array elements are
>>>>> is a bit of a red flag here.
>>>
>>>> Agreed, I had similar concerns with the sdhci bindings where it used a
>>>> 3-element array of gpios instead of the previous named ones. I was
>>>> told it's common practice to do it that way though? Seems like a step
>>>> backwards to me. :(
>>>
>>> Interesting...  what was the reasoning behind this?  It's a definite
>>> step backwards but it does explain my major concern with the new batch
>>> of device tree patches.
>>
>> The binding for gpios was defined a few years ago and it is in fairly
>> wide use within the powerpc sphere.  The design followed the pattern
>> established for specifying irqs, and in that regard satisfied the
>> principle of least surprise.
>>
>> That said, it isn't a very large leap to go from a single 'gpios'
>> property to allowing multiple named gpios properties with meaningful
>> names, particularly if they are fully specified by the device
>> binding, and they follow exactly the same binding semantics as the
>> existing 'gpios' proprety (phandle + gpio specifier).
>>
>> Personally, I'm /cautious/ about saying okay to extending the binding,
>> simply because once the extension is in use it is really hard to go
>> back on it, but I cannot think of any reason why this particular case
>> wouldn't be a good idea.  Anyone have thoughts on this?  Ben?  Mitch?
>
>
> I'm currently dealing with an SoC that has over a hundred GPIOs. Whatever we
> choose, I think it should be able to handle an insane number of GPIOs
> without getting any more cumbersome that is necessary.

That's pretty common, and I don't think it will be a problem; either
with the current binding, or the proposed extension.

g.

-- 
Grant Likely, B.Sc., P.Eng.
Secret Lab Technologies Ltd.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: grant.likely@secretlab.ca (Grant Likely)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC 2/2] ARM:Tegra: Device Tree Support: Initialize audio card gpio's from the device tree.
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 00:22:49 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTimTMdzWUX=xr7TyVXwM5FoVvRz2Zg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DE336A1.5040509@firmworks.com>

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Mitch Bradley <wmb@firmworks.com> wrote:
> On 5/29/2011 8:11 PM, Grant Likely wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:38:27AM +0800, Mark Brown wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 08:11:34PM -0700, Olof Johansson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Mark Brown
>>>
>>>>> This is a step back from the usability of the existing platform data -
>>>>> the platform data uses a series of individually named GPIOs while this
>>>>> uses an array of GPIO numbers with magic indexes. ?The fact that you
>>>>> need comments explaining what the functions of the array elements are
>>>>> is a bit of a red flag here.
>>>
>>>> Agreed, I had similar concerns with the sdhci bindings where it used a
>>>> 3-element array of gpios instead of the previous named ones. I was
>>>> told it's common practice to do it that way though? Seems like a step
>>>> backwards to me. :(
>>>
>>> Interesting... ?what was the reasoning behind this? ?It's a definite
>>> step backwards but it does explain my major concern with the new batch
>>> of device tree patches.
>>
>> The binding for gpios was defined a few years ago and it is in fairly
>> wide use within the powerpc sphere. ?The design followed the pattern
>> established for specifying irqs, and in that regard satisfied the
>> principle of least surprise.
>>
>> That said, it isn't a very large leap to go from a single 'gpios'
>> property to allowing multiple named gpios properties with meaningful
>> names, particularly if they are fully specified by the device
>> binding, and they follow exactly the same binding semantics as the
>> existing 'gpios' proprety (phandle + gpio specifier).
>>
>> Personally, I'm /cautious/ about saying okay to extending the binding,
>> simply because once the extension is in use it is really hard to go
>> back on it, but I cannot think of any reason why this particular case
>> wouldn't be a good idea. ?Anyone have thoughts on this? ?Ben? ?Mitch?
>
>
> I'm currently dealing with an SoC that has over a hundred GPIOs. Whatever we
> choose, I think it should be able to handle an insane number of GPIOs
> without getting any more cumbersome that is necessary.

That's pretty common, and I don't think it will be a problem; either
with the current binding, or the proposed extension.

g.

-- 
Grant Likely, B.Sc., P.Eng.
Secret Lab Technologies Ltd.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-05-30  6:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-27 20:56 [RFC 0/2] ARM: Tegra: Device Tree: Audio John Bonesio
2011-05-27 20:56 ` John Bonesio
2011-05-27 20:57 ` [RFC 1/2] ARM:Tegra: Device Tree Support: Initialize the audio card from the device tree John Bonesio
2011-05-27 21:05   ` Grant Likely
2011-05-27 21:05     ` Grant Likely
2011-05-28  1:28   ` Mark Brown
2011-05-28  1:28     ` Mark Brown
2011-06-01  7:07   ` Barry Song
2011-06-01  7:07     ` Barry Song
     [not found]     ` <BANLkTi=NMjBjWVv_o3PocejhgGr8TdG+1Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-01 16:47       ` Grant Likely
2011-06-01 16:47         ` Grant Likely
     [not found]         ` <BANLkTi=PtEhxxmZo2DqvmySCmnEd3LbezQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-02  9:07           ` Barry Song
2011-06-02  9:07             ` Barry Song
     [not found]             ` <BANLkTikWpiY_o27OF-Jxvq7iPeWzrAYOsQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-02 16:04               ` Grant Likely
2011-06-02 16:04                 ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                 ` <20110602160445.GA8373-e0URQFbLeQY2iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-02 16:21                   ` Barry Song
2011-06-02 16:21                     ` Barry Song
     [not found]                     ` <BANLkTikGp_O-Wd3nMhbV+-RLeXZoWeB6eQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-02 21:43                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-02 21:43                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                         ` <20110602214322.GC10532-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-03  2:32                           ` Barry Song
2011-06-03  2:32                             ` Barry Song
     [not found]                             ` <BANLkTikiaA3CCRAXkB=x56wtt8nNF9dqxA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-03  6:20                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-03  6:20                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-02 21:36                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-02 21:36                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                     ` <20110602213656.GB10532-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-03  1:19                       ` Barry Song
2011-06-03  1:19                         ` Barry Song
     [not found]                         ` <BANLkTimavC-6oMhAHHsBJ2_Em7aXi7eyNQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-07  3:44                           ` Barry Song
2011-06-07  3:44                             ` Barry Song
2011-06-14 15:42                       ` Grant Likely
2011-06-14 15:42                         ` Grant Likely
2011-05-27 20:57 ` [RFC 2/2] ARM:Tegra: Device Tree Support: Initialize audio card gpio's " John Bonesio
2011-05-27 21:06   ` Grant Likely
2011-05-27 21:06     ` Grant Likely
2011-05-28  1:24   ` Mark Brown
2011-05-28  1:24     ` Mark Brown
     [not found]     ` <20110528012427.GB5971-yzvPICuk2AATkU/dhu1WVueM+bqZidxxQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-30  3:11       ` Olof Johansson
2011-05-30  3:11         ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]         ` <BANLkTinKLcYmStvBEGDcN84BapJXe5Y5bg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-30  3:38           ` Mark Brown
2011-05-30  3:38             ` Mark Brown
     [not found]             ` <20110530033826.GE4130-yzvPICuk2AATkU/dhu1WVueM+bqZidxxQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-30  6:11               ` Grant Likely
2011-05-30  6:11                 ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                 ` <20110530061155.GC23517-e0URQFbLeQY2iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-30  6:18                   ` Mitch Bradley
2011-05-30  6:18                     ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]                     ` <4DE336A1.5040509-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-30  6:22                       ` Grant Likely [this message]
2011-05-30  6:22                         ` Grant Likely
2011-05-30  7:01                       ` Mark Brown
2011-05-30  7:01                         ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                         ` <20110530070138.GA5036-yzvPICuk2AATkU/dhu1WVueM+bqZidxxQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-30 16:22                           ` Grant Likely
2011-05-30 16:22                             ` Grant Likely
2011-05-30 18:54                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2011-05-30 18:54                             ` Segher Boessenkool
     [not found]                             ` <8d2515b13c817cc956b185d043bcef00-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-30 19:20                               ` Grant Likely
2011-05-30 19:20                                 ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                 ` <BANLkTi=hkScxYpt449CQCky+bLU3UvkC_A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-30 20:53                                   ` Mitch Bradley
2011-05-30 20:53                                     ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]                                     ` <4DE403C5.7060003-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-31 17:55                                       ` Stephen Warren
2011-05-31 17:55                                         ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                         ` <74CDBE0F657A3D45AFBB94109FB122FF0498E1C22D-C7FfzLzN0UxDw2glCA4ptUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-31 18:42                                           ` Mitch Bradley
2011-05-31 18:42                                             ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]                                             ` <4DE536AD.5080200-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-01 15:59                                               ` Stephen Warren
2011-06-01 15:59                                                 ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                                 ` <74CDBE0F657A3D45AFBB94109FB122FF0498E1C3F5-C7FfzLzN0UxDw2glCA4ptUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-01 16:18                                                   ` Mark Brown
2011-06-01 16:18                                                     ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                                     ` <20110601161856.GB15583-yzvPICuk2AATkU/dhu1WVueM+bqZidxxQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-02 15:40                                                       ` Grant Likely
2011-06-02 15:40                                                         ` Grant Likely
2011-06-01 21:32                                                   ` Mitch Bradley
2011-06-01 21:32                                                     ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]                                                     ` <4DE6AFF7.3040905-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-03 21:24                                                       ` Stephen Warren
2011-06-03 21:24                                                         ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                                         ` <74CDBE0F657A3D45AFBB94109FB122FF0498E1C870-C7FfzLzN0UxDw2glCA4ptUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-04  0:25                                                           ` Mitch Bradley
2011-06-04  0:25                                                             ` Mitch Bradley
2011-06-02 14:59                                           ` Grant Likely
2011-06-02 14:59                                             ` Grant Likely
2011-06-02 15:40                                       ` Grant Likely
2011-06-02 15:40                                         ` Grant Likely
2011-06-28 21:39                                   ` Grant Likely
2011-06-28 21:39                                     ` Grant Likely
2011-05-30 23:27                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-05-30 23:27                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-05-30 23:49                             ` Olof Johansson
2011-05-30 23:49                               ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]                               ` <20110530234909.GA3411-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-31  0:58                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2011-05-31  0:58                                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2011-05-31 10:24                                 ` Mark Brown
2011-05-31 10:24                                   ` Mark Brown
2011-05-30  7:10                   ` Mark Brown
2011-05-30  7:10                     ` Mark Brown
2011-05-30 23:26                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-05-30 23:26                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-05-31 10:03                     ` Mark Brown
2011-05-31 10:03                       ` Mark Brown

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