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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	"hillf.zj" <hillf.zj@alibaba-inc.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [mm 4.15-rc8] Random oopses under memory pressure.
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 14:53:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFw4mw32Mu0_+cgKAzxCNvDW1VPcESv7CyajexfDfMju1A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180119221243.GL13338@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:42:18AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>
>> We *should* be careful about it. I guess sparse could be made to warn,
>> but I'm afraid that we have so many of these things that a warning
>> isn't reasonable.
>
> You mean like -Wptr-subtraction-blows?

Heh. Apparently I already did that trivial warning back in 2005. I'd
forgotten about it.

> FWIW, allmodconfig on amd64 with C=2 CF=-Wptr-subtraction-blows is not too large
>
> IOW it's not terribly noisy.  Might be an interesting idea to teach sparse to
> print the type in question...  Aha - with
>
> --- a/evaluate.c
> +++ b/evaluate.c
> @@ -848,7 +848,8 @@ static struct symbol *evaluate_ptr_sub(struct expression *expr)
>
>                 if (value & (value-1)) {
>                         if (Wptr_subtraction_blows)
> -                               warning(expr->pos, "potentially expensive pointer subtraction");
> +                               warning(expr->pos, "[%s] potentially expensive pointer subtraction",
> +                                       show_typename(lbase));
>                 }
>
>                 sub->op = '-';
>
> we get things like
> drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915_gem_execbuffer.c:435:17: warning: [struct drm_i915_gem_exec_object2] potentially expensive pointer subtraction

It would probably be good to add the size too, just to explain why
it's potentially expensive.

That said, apparently we do have hundreds of them, with just
cpufreq_frequency_table having a ton. Maybe some are hidden in macros
and removing one removes a lot.

The real problem is that sometimes the subtraction is simply the right
thing to do, and there's no sane way to say "yeah, this is one of
those cases you shouldn't warn about".

                 Linus

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	"hillf.zj" <hillf.zj@alibaba-inc.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [mm 4.15-rc8] Random oopses under memory pressure.
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 14:53:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFw4mw32Mu0_+cgKAzxCNvDW1VPcESv7CyajexfDfMju1A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180119221243.GL13338@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:42:18AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>
>> We *should* be careful about it. I guess sparse could be made to warn,
>> but I'm afraid that we have so many of these things that a warning
>> isn't reasonable.
>
> You mean like -Wptr-subtraction-blows?

Heh. Apparently I already did that trivial warning back in 2005. I'd
forgotten about it.

> FWIW, allmodconfig on amd64 with C=2 CF=-Wptr-subtraction-blows is not too large
>
> IOW it's not terribly noisy.  Might be an interesting idea to teach sparse to
> print the type in question...  Aha - with
>
> --- a/evaluate.c
> +++ b/evaluate.c
> @@ -848,7 +848,8 @@ static struct symbol *evaluate_ptr_sub(struct expression *expr)
>
>                 if (value & (value-1)) {
>                         if (Wptr_subtraction_blows)
> -                               warning(expr->pos, "potentially expensive pointer subtraction");
> +                               warning(expr->pos, "[%s] potentially expensive pointer subtraction",
> +                                       show_typename(lbase));
>                 }
>
>                 sub->op = '-';
>
> we get things like
> drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915_gem_execbuffer.c:435:17: warning: [struct drm_i915_gem_exec_object2] potentially expensive pointer subtraction

It would probably be good to add the size too, just to explain why
it's potentially expensive.

That said, apparently we do have hundreds of them, with just
cpufreq_frequency_table having a ton. Maybe some are hidden in macros
and removing one removes a lot.

The real problem is that sometimes the subtraction is simply the right
thing to do, and there's no sane way to say "yeah, this is one of
those cases you shouldn't warn about".

                 Linus

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-19 22:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-05 14:45 [x86? mm? fs? 4.15-rc6] Random oopses by simple write under memory pressure Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-09 10:39 ` [mm? 4.15-rc7] " Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-10 11:49   ` [mm? 4.15-rc7] Random oopses " Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-10 12:45     ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-10 13:37       ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-11 13:57         ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-11 14:11           ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-11 14:21             ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-11 14:37               ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-12  1:31               ` [mm " Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-12  1:42                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-12 11:22                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-14 11:54                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-14 11:54                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-15 23:05                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-15 23:05                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-16  1:15                         ` [mm 4.15-rc8] " Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-16  1:15                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-16  2:14                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-16  2:14                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-16  8:06                             ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-16  8:06                               ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-16  8:37                               ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-16  8:37                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-16 19:30                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-16 19:30                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-16 17:33                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-16 17:33                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-16 19:34                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-16 19:34                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-17 11:08                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-17 11:08                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-17 21:39                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-17 21:39                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-17 21:51                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-17 21:51                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-17 22:04                                       ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-17 22:04                                         ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-17 22:00                                     ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-17 22:00                                       ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-17 22:15                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-17 22:15                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-18  8:12                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-18  8:12                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-18 12:25                                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-18 12:25                                       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-18 13:12                                       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-18 13:12                                         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-18 14:34                                         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-18 14:34                                           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-18 14:38                                         ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-18 14:38                                           ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-18 14:45                                           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-18 14:45                                             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-18 14:51                                             ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-18 14:51                                               ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-18 16:58                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-18 16:58                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-18 14:45                                       ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-18 14:45                                         ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-18 14:58                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-18 14:58                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-18 16:56                                           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-18 16:56                                             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-18 17:26                                             ` Luck, Tony
2018-01-18 17:26                                               ` Luck, Tony
2018-01-18 17:28                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-18 17:28                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-18 17:26                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-18 17:26                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-18 23:49                                               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-18 23:49                                                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-19 12:55                                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-01-19 12:55                                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-01-19 18:42                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-19 18:42                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-19 22:12                                                     ` Al Viro
2018-01-19 22:12                                                       ` Al Viro
2018-01-19 22:53                                                       ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2018-01-19 22:53                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-20  2:02                                                         ` Al Viro
2018-01-20  2:02                                                           ` Al Viro
2018-01-20  5:24                                                           ` Al Viro
2018-01-20  5:24                                                             ` Al Viro
2018-01-20  9:38                                                             ` Luc Van Oostenryck
2018-01-20  9:38                                                               ` Luc Van Oostenryck
2018-01-20  9:38                                                               ` Luc Van Oostenryck
2018-01-20 14:45                                                               ` Luc Van Oostenryck
2018-01-22 13:26                                                     ` Rasmus Villemoes
2018-01-22 19:58                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-18 15:40                                         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-18 15:40                                           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-18 17:22                                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-18 17:22                                             ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 10:02                                             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-19 10:02                                               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-19 10:33                                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 10:33                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 11:49                                                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-19 11:49                                                   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-19 12:07                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 12:07                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 12:30                                                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-19 12:30                                                       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-01-19  2:01                                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-19  2:01                                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-11 18:11             ` [mm? 4.15-rc7] " Linus Torvalds
2018-01-11 20:59               ` Tetsuo Handa

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