[PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Croatia (HR)

[PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Croatia (HR)

[Robert Marko]

Croatian Regulatory Authority for Network Industries (HAKOM) has
updated the general licenses OD-85 and OD-86 with the new OD-85a
and OD-86a versions.

These introuduce the following changes:
* Outdoor usage for 5150-5250 and 5250-5350 MHz ranges is permitted
* 5150-5250 MHz range TPC requirment was dropped and power output raised to 200mW

OD-85a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_85a.pdf
OD-86a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_86a.pdf

Signed-off-by: Robert Marko <robert.marko@sartura.hr>
Cc: Luka Perkov <luka.perkov@sartura.hr>
---
 db.txt | 4 ++--
 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
index ac32483..52d0fab 100644
--- a/db.txt
+++ b/db.txt
@@ -693,8 +693,8 @@ country HR: DFS-ETSI
 # Harmonized CEPT countries (July 2019): https://www.ecodocdb.dk/download/25c41779-cd6e/Rec7003e.pdf
 # HR: http://tablice.hakom.hr:8080/vis?lang=en
 	(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
-	(5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
-	(5250 - 5350 @ 80), (100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
+	(5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
+	(5250 - 5350 @ 80), (200 mW), DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
 	(5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS, wmmrule=ETSI
 	# short range devices (ETSI EN 300 440-1)
 	(5725 - 5875 @ 80), (25 mW)
-- 
2.26.2

[wireless-regdb] [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Croatia (HR)

[Robert Marko]

Croatian Regulatory Authority for Network Industries (HAKOM) has
updated the general licenses OD-85 and OD-86 with the new OD-85a
and OD-86a versions.

These introuduce the following changes:
* Outdoor usage for 5150-5250 and 5250-5350 MHz ranges is permitted
* 5150-5250 MHz range TPC requirment was dropped and power output raised to 200mW

OD-85a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_85a.pdf
OD-86a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_86a.pdf

Signed-off-by: Robert Marko <robert.marko@sartura.hr>
Cc: Luka Perkov <luka.perkov@sartura.hr>
---
 db.txt | 4 ++--
 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
index ac32483..52d0fab 100644
--- a/db.txt
+++ b/db.txt
@@ -693,8 +693,8 @@ country HR: DFS-ETSI
 # Harmonized CEPT countries (July 2019): https://www.ecodocdb.dk/download/25c41779-cd6e/Rec7003e.pdf
 # HR: http://tablice.hakom.hr:8080/vis?lang=en
 	(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
-	(5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
-	(5250 - 5350 @ 80), (100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
+	(5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
+	(5250 - 5350 @ 80), (200 mW), DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
 	(5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS, wmmrule=ETSI
 	# short range devices (ETSI EN 300 440-1)
 	(5725 - 5875 @ 80), (25 mW)
-- 
2.26.2


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Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Croatia (HR)

[Seth Forshee]

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 07:21:40PM +0200, Robert Marko wrote:
> Croatian Regulatory Authority for Network Industries (HAKOM) has
> updated the general licenses OD-85 and OD-86 with the new OD-85a
> and OD-86a versions.
> 
> These introuduce the following changes:
> * Outdoor usage for 5150-5250 and 5250-5350 MHz ranges is permitted
> * 5150-5250 MHz range TPC requirment was dropped and power output raised to 200mW
> 
> OD-85a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_85a.pdf
> OD-86a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_86a.pdf
> 
> Signed-off-by: Robert Marko <robert.marko@sartura.hr>
> Cc: Luka Perkov <luka.perkov@sartura.hr>
> ---
>  db.txt | 4 ++--
>  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> index ac32483..52d0fab 100644
> --- a/db.txt
> +++ b/db.txt
> @@ -693,8 +693,8 @@ country HR: DFS-ETSI
>  # Harmonized CEPT countries (July 2019): https://www.ecodocdb.dk/download/25c41779-cd6e/Rec7003e.pdf
>  # HR: http://tablice.hakom.hr:8080/vis?lang=en
>  	(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
> -	(5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> -	(5250 - 5350 @ 80), (100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> +	(5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI

Based on the translation I'm reading the 200 mW applied to elevations
from 5 degrees to 30 degrees, and for elevations above 30 degress the
limit is 125 mW. I'm not expeienced with regulations that vary with the
elevation angle. Why should we use 200 mW instead of 125 mW, which is
allowed for any elevation?

> +	(5250 - 5350 @ 80), (200 mW), DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI

The translation of OD-86a I'm reading says "use mostly indoors." Is that
an accurate translation? How does this compare to the language from
OD-86? I'm a little unsure how to interpret it.

Thanks,
Seth

>  	(5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS, wmmrule=ETSI
>  	# short range devices (ETSI EN 300 440-1)
>  	(5725 - 5875 @ 80), (25 mW)
> -- 
> 2.26.2
> 

Re: [wireless-regdb] [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Croatia (HR)

[Seth Forshee]

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 07:21:40PM +0200, Robert Marko wrote:
> Croatian Regulatory Authority for Network Industries (HAKOM) has
> updated the general licenses OD-85 and OD-86 with the new OD-85a
> and OD-86a versions.
> 
> These introuduce the following changes:
> * Outdoor usage for 5150-5250 and 5250-5350 MHz ranges is permitted
> * 5150-5250 MHz range TPC requirment was dropped and power output raised to 200mW
> 
> OD-85a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_85a.pdf
> OD-86a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_86a.pdf
> 
> Signed-off-by: Robert Marko <robert.marko@sartura.hr>
> Cc: Luka Perkov <luka.perkov@sartura.hr>
> ---
>  db.txt | 4 ++--
>  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> index ac32483..52d0fab 100644
> --- a/db.txt
> +++ b/db.txt
> @@ -693,8 +693,8 @@ country HR: DFS-ETSI
>  # Harmonized CEPT countries (July 2019): https://www.ecodocdb.dk/download/25c41779-cd6e/Rec7003e.pdf
>  # HR: http://tablice.hakom.hr:8080/vis?lang=en
>  	(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
> -	(5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> -	(5250 - 5350 @ 80), (100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> +	(5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI

Based on the translation I'm reading the 200 mW applied to elevations
from 5 degrees to 30 degrees, and for elevations above 30 degress the
limit is 125 mW. I'm not expeienced with regulations that vary with the
elevation angle. Why should we use 200 mW instead of 125 mW, which is
allowed for any elevation?

> +	(5250 - 5350 @ 80), (200 mW), DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI

The translation of OD-86a I'm reading says "use mostly indoors." Is that
an accurate translation? How does this compare to the language from
OD-86? I'm a little unsure how to interpret it.

Thanks,
Seth

>  	(5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS, wmmrule=ETSI
>  	# short range devices (ETSI EN 300 440-1)
>  	(5725 - 5875 @ 80), (25 mW)
> -- 
> 2.26.2
> 

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Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Croatia (HR)

[Robert Marko]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 12:16 AM Seth Forshee
<seth.forshee@canonical.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 07:21:40PM +0200, Robert Marko wrote:
> > Croatian Regulatory Authority for Network Industries (HAKOM) has
> > updated the general licenses OD-85 and OD-86 with the new OD-85a
> > and OD-86a versions.
> >
> > These introuduce the following changes:
> > * Outdoor usage for 5150-5250 and 5250-5350 MHz ranges is permitted
> > * 5150-5250 MHz range TPC requirment was dropped and power output raised to 200mW
> >
> > OD-85a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_85a.pdf
> > OD-86a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_86a.pdf
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Robert Marko <robert.marko@sartura.hr>
> > Cc: Luka Perkov <luka.perkov@sartura.hr>
> > ---
> >  db.txt | 4 ++--
> >  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> > index ac32483..52d0fab 100644
> > --- a/db.txt
> > +++ b/db.txt
> > @@ -693,8 +693,8 @@ country HR: DFS-ETSI
> >  # Harmonized CEPT countries (July 2019): https://www.ecodocdb.dk/download/25c41779-cd6e/Rec7003e.pdf
> >  # HR: http://tablice.hakom.hr:8080/vis?lang=en
> >       (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
> > -     (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > -     (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > +     (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
>
> Based on the translation I'm reading the 200 mW applied to elevations
> from 5 degrees to 30 degrees, and for elevations above 30 degress the
> limit is 125 mW. I'm not expeienced with regulations that vary with the
> elevation angle. Why should we use 200 mW instead of 125 mW, which is
> allowed for any elevation?

You can see in the OD-86a that now 1W (30 dBm) EIRP is the maximum
allowed power.
Then in usage conditions, they state that if median EIRP power larger
than 200mW (23 dBm) is used then the listed
angle and power limits should be used.
That is why I used 200mW as it has no limitations associated.
>
> > +     (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (200 mW), DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
>
> The translation of OD-86a I'm reading says "use mostly indoors." Is that
> an accurate translation? How does this compare to the language from
> OD-86? I'm a little unsure how to interpret it.

Yes, it's accurate.
In OD-86 this was strictly written as "exclusive use indoors", Hakom
even stated in their press release that the
changes to OD-86 now allow outdoor usage.
https://www.hakom.hr/default.aspx?id=10442
It's in English.

They are just trying to encourage the band to still be mostly used for
indoor stuff.

Regards,
Robert
>
> Thanks,
> Seth
>
> >       (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS, wmmrule=ETSI
> >       # short range devices (ETSI EN 300 440-1)
> >       (5725 - 5875 @ 80), (25 mW)
> > --
> > 2.26.2
> >

Re: [wireless-regdb] [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Croatia (HR)

[Robert Marko]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 12:16 AM Seth Forshee
<seth.forshee@canonical.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 07:21:40PM +0200, Robert Marko wrote:
> > Croatian Regulatory Authority for Network Industries (HAKOM) has
> > updated the general licenses OD-85 and OD-86 with the new OD-85a
> > and OD-86a versions.
> >
> > These introuduce the following changes:
> > * Outdoor usage for 5150-5250 and 5250-5350 MHz ranges is permitted
> > * 5150-5250 MHz range TPC requirment was dropped and power output raised to 200mW
> >
> > OD-85a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_85a.pdf
> > OD-86a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_86a.pdf
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Robert Marko <robert.marko@sartura.hr>
> > Cc: Luka Perkov <luka.perkov@sartura.hr>
> > ---
> >  db.txt | 4 ++--
> >  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> > index ac32483..52d0fab 100644
> > --- a/db.txt
> > +++ b/db.txt
> > @@ -693,8 +693,8 @@ country HR: DFS-ETSI
> >  # Harmonized CEPT countries (July 2019): https://www.ecodocdb.dk/download/25c41779-cd6e/Rec7003e.pdf
> >  # HR: http://tablice.hakom.hr:8080/vis?lang=en
> >       (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
> > -     (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > -     (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > +     (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
>
> Based on the translation I'm reading the 200 mW applied to elevations
> from 5 degrees to 30 degrees, and for elevations above 30 degress the
> limit is 125 mW. I'm not expeienced with regulations that vary with the
> elevation angle. Why should we use 200 mW instead of 125 mW, which is
> allowed for any elevation?

You can see in the OD-86a that now 1W (30 dBm) EIRP is the maximum
allowed power.
Then in usage conditions, they state that if median EIRP power larger
than 200mW (23 dBm) is used then the listed
angle and power limits should be used.
That is why I used 200mW as it has no limitations associated.
>
> > +     (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (200 mW), DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
>
> The translation of OD-86a I'm reading says "use mostly indoors." Is that
> an accurate translation? How does this compare to the language from
> OD-86? I'm a little unsure how to interpret it.

Yes, it's accurate.
In OD-86 this was strictly written as "exclusive use indoors", Hakom
even stated in their press release that the
changes to OD-86 now allow outdoor usage.
https://www.hakom.hr/default.aspx?id=10442
It's in English.

They are just trying to encourage the band to still be mostly used for
indoor stuff.

Regards,
Robert
>
> Thanks,
> Seth
>
> >       (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS, wmmrule=ETSI
> >       # short range devices (ETSI EN 300 440-1)
> >       (5725 - 5875 @ 80), (25 mW)
> > --
> > 2.26.2
> >

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Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Croatia (HR)

[Seth Forshee]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 11:35:38AM +0100, Robert Marko wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 12:16 AM Seth Forshee
> <seth.forshee@canonical.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 07:21:40PM +0200, Robert Marko wrote:
> > > Croatian Regulatory Authority for Network Industries (HAKOM) has
> > > updated the general licenses OD-85 and OD-86 with the new OD-85a
> > > and OD-86a versions.
> > >
> > > These introuduce the following changes:
> > > * Outdoor usage for 5150-5250 and 5250-5350 MHz ranges is permitted
> > > * 5150-5250 MHz range TPC requirment was dropped and power output raised to 200mW
> > >
> > > OD-85a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_85a.pdf
> > > OD-86a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_86a.pdf
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Robert Marko <robert.marko@sartura.hr>
> > > Cc: Luka Perkov <luka.perkov@sartura.hr>
> > > ---
> > >  db.txt | 4 ++--
> > >  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> > > index ac32483..52d0fab 100644
> > > --- a/db.txt
> > > +++ b/db.txt
> > > @@ -693,8 +693,8 @@ country HR: DFS-ETSI
> > >  # Harmonized CEPT countries (July 2019): https://www.ecodocdb.dk/download/25c41779-cd6e/Rec7003e.pdf
> > >  # HR: http://tablice.hakom.hr:8080/vis?lang=en
> > >       (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
> > > -     (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > > -     (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > > +     (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> >
> > Based on the translation I'm reading the 200 mW applied to elevations
> > from 5 degrees to 30 degrees, and for elevations above 30 degress the
> > limit is 125 mW. I'm not expeienced with regulations that vary with the
> > elevation angle. Why should we use 200 mW instead of 125 mW, which is
> > allowed for any elevation?
> 
> You can see in the OD-86a that now 1W (30 dBm) EIRP is the maximum
> allowed power.
> Then in usage conditions, they state that if median EIRP power larger
> than 200mW (23 dBm) is used then the listed
> angle and power limits should be used.
> That is why I used 200mW as it has no limitations associated.

Right, but OD-86a applies to 5250-5350 MHz. I don't see this same
statement in OD-85a.

However, digging into it a little more, it looks like the elevation
restrictions come from WRC-19 resolution 229 [1], which has more detail.
Based on my reading of that it seems that the situation here actually is
similar to that for 5250-5350 MHz, i.e. that 200 mW is the general limit
but that operation at 1W is allowed subject to the stated elevation
angle restrictions. So it sounds like the 200 mW limit for 5150-5250 MHz
should be okay.

[1] https://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-r/opb/act/R-ACT-WRC.14-2019-PDF-E.pdf

> >
> > > +     (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (200 mW), DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> >
> > The translation of OD-86a I'm reading says "use mostly indoors." Is that
> > an accurate translation? How does this compare to the language from
> > OD-86? I'm a little unsure how to interpret it.
> 
> Yes, it's accurate.
> In OD-86 this was strictly written as "exclusive use indoors", Hakom
> even stated in their press release that the
> changes to OD-86 now allow outdoor usage.
> https://www.hakom.hr/default.aspx?id=10442
> It's in English.
> 
> They are just trying to encourage the band to still be mostly used for
> indoor stuff.

Great, thanks for clarifying.

I've applied the patch. Thanks!

Re: [wireless-regdb] [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Croatia (HR)

[Seth Forshee]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 11:35:38AM +0100, Robert Marko wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 12:16 AM Seth Forshee
> <seth.forshee@canonical.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 07:21:40PM +0200, Robert Marko wrote:
> > > Croatian Regulatory Authority for Network Industries (HAKOM) has
> > > updated the general licenses OD-85 and OD-86 with the new OD-85a
> > > and OD-86a versions.
> > >
> > > These introuduce the following changes:
> > > * Outdoor usage for 5150-5250 and 5250-5350 MHz ranges is permitted
> > > * 5150-5250 MHz range TPC requirment was dropped and power output raised to 200mW
> > >
> > > OD-85a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_85a.pdf
> > > OD-86a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_86a.pdf
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Robert Marko <robert.marko@sartura.hr>
> > > Cc: Luka Perkov <luka.perkov@sartura.hr>
> > > ---
> > >  db.txt | 4 ++--
> > >  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> > > index ac32483..52d0fab 100644
> > > --- a/db.txt
> > > +++ b/db.txt
> > > @@ -693,8 +693,8 @@ country HR: DFS-ETSI
> > >  # Harmonized CEPT countries (July 2019): https://www.ecodocdb.dk/download/25c41779-cd6e/Rec7003e.pdf
> > >  # HR: http://tablice.hakom.hr:8080/vis?lang=en
> > >       (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
> > > -     (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > > -     (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > > +     (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> >
> > Based on the translation I'm reading the 200 mW applied to elevations
> > from 5 degrees to 30 degrees, and for elevations above 30 degress the
> > limit is 125 mW. I'm not expeienced with regulations that vary with the
> > elevation angle. Why should we use 200 mW instead of 125 mW, which is
> > allowed for any elevation?
> 
> You can see in the OD-86a that now 1W (30 dBm) EIRP is the maximum
> allowed power.
> Then in usage conditions, they state that if median EIRP power larger
> than 200mW (23 dBm) is used then the listed
> angle and power limits should be used.
> That is why I used 200mW as it has no limitations associated.

Right, but OD-86a applies to 5250-5350 MHz. I don't see this same
statement in OD-85a.

However, digging into it a little more, it looks like the elevation
restrictions come from WRC-19 resolution 229 [1], which has more detail.
Based on my reading of that it seems that the situation here actually is
similar to that for 5250-5350 MHz, i.e. that 200 mW is the general limit
but that operation at 1W is allowed subject to the stated elevation
angle restrictions. So it sounds like the 200 mW limit for 5150-5250 MHz
should be okay.

[1] https://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-r/opb/act/R-ACT-WRC.14-2019-PDF-E.pdf

> >
> > > +     (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (200 mW), DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> >
> > The translation of OD-86a I'm reading says "use mostly indoors." Is that
> > an accurate translation? How does this compare to the language from
> > OD-86? I'm a little unsure how to interpret it.
> 
> Yes, it's accurate.
> In OD-86 this was strictly written as "exclusive use indoors", Hakom
> even stated in their press release that the
> changes to OD-86 now allow outdoor usage.
> https://www.hakom.hr/default.aspx?id=10442
> It's in English.
> 
> They are just trying to encourage the band to still be mostly used for
> indoor stuff.

Great, thanks for clarifying.

I've applied the patch. Thanks!

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Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Croatia (HR)

[Robert Marko]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 3:28 PM Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 11:35:38AM +0100, Robert Marko wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 12:16 AM Seth Forshee
> > <seth.forshee@canonical.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 07:21:40PM +0200, Robert Marko wrote:
> > > > Croatian Regulatory Authority for Network Industries (HAKOM) has
> > > > updated the general licenses OD-85 and OD-86 with the new OD-85a
> > > > and OD-86a versions.
> > > >
> > > > These introuduce the following changes:
> > > > * Outdoor usage for 5150-5250 and 5250-5350 MHz ranges is permitted
> > > > * 5150-5250 MHz range TPC requirment was dropped and power output raised to 200mW
> > > >
> > > > OD-85a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_85a.pdf
> > > > OD-86a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_86a.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Robert Marko <robert.marko@sartura.hr>
> > > > Cc: Luka Perkov <luka.perkov@sartura.hr>
> > > > ---
> > > >  db.txt | 4 ++--
> > > >  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > > >
> > > > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> > > > index ac32483..52d0fab 100644
> > > > --- a/db.txt
> > > > +++ b/db.txt
> > > > @@ -693,8 +693,8 @@ country HR: DFS-ETSI
> > > >  # Harmonized CEPT countries (July 2019): https://www.ecodocdb.dk/download/25c41779-cd6e/Rec7003e.pdf
> > > >  # HR: http://tablice.hakom.hr:8080/vis?lang=en
> > > >       (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
> > > > -     (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > > > -     (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > > > +     (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > >
> > > Based on the translation I'm reading the 200 mW applied to elevations
> > > from 5 degrees to 30 degrees, and for elevations above 30 degress the
> > > limit is 125 mW. I'm not expeienced with regulations that vary with the
> > > elevation angle. Why should we use 200 mW instead of 125 mW, which is
> > > allowed for any elevation?
> >
> > You can see in the OD-86a that now 1W (30 dBm) EIRP is the maximum
> > allowed power.
> > Then in usage conditions, they state that if median EIRP power larger
> > than 200mW (23 dBm) is used then the listed
> > angle and power limits should be used.
> > That is why I used 200mW as it has no limitations associated.
>
> Right, but OD-86a applies to 5250-5350 MHz. I don't see this same
> statement in OD-85a.
>
> However, digging into it a little more, it looks like the elevation
> restrictions come from WRC-19 resolution 229 [1], which has more detail.
> Based on my reading of that it seems that the situation here actually is
> similar to that for 5250-5350 MHz, i.e. that 200 mW is the general limit
> but that operation at 1W is allowed subject to the stated elevation
> angle restrictions. So it sounds like the 200 mW limit for 5150-5250 MHz
> should be okay.
>
> [1] https://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-r/opb/act/R-ACT-WRC.14-2019-PDF-E.pdf

OD-85a covers 5150-5250 MHz and power limits for it have not changed,
they remain the same as before.
I simply remove the no-outdoor limit as it was dropped.
>
> > >
> > > > +     (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (200 mW), DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > >
> > > The translation of OD-86a I'm reading says "use mostly indoors." Is that
> > > an accurate translation? How does this compare to the language from
> > > OD-86? I'm a little unsure how to interpret it.
> >
> > Yes, it's accurate.
> > In OD-86 this was strictly written as "exclusive use indoors", Hakom
> > even stated in their press release that the
> > changes to OD-86 now allow outdoor usage.
> > https://www.hakom.hr/default.aspx?id=10442
> > It's in English.
> >
> > They are just trying to encourage the band to still be mostly used for
> > indoor stuff.
>
> Great, thanks for clarifying.
>
> I've applied the patch. Thanks!

Thanks,
Robert

Re: [wireless-regdb] [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Croatia (HR)

[Robert Marko]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 3:28 PM Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 11:35:38AM +0100, Robert Marko wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 12:16 AM Seth Forshee
> > <seth.forshee@canonical.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 07:21:40PM +0200, Robert Marko wrote:
> > > > Croatian Regulatory Authority for Network Industries (HAKOM) has
> > > > updated the general licenses OD-85 and OD-86 with the new OD-85a
> > > > and OD-86a versions.
> > > >
> > > > These introuduce the following changes:
> > > > * Outdoor usage for 5150-5250 and 5250-5350 MHz ranges is permitted
> > > > * 5150-5250 MHz range TPC requirment was dropped and power output raised to 200mW
> > > >
> > > > OD-85a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_85a.pdf
> > > > OD-86a: https://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_86a.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Robert Marko <robert.marko@sartura.hr>
> > > > Cc: Luka Perkov <luka.perkov@sartura.hr>
> > > > ---
> > > >  db.txt | 4 ++--
> > > >  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > > >
> > > > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> > > > index ac32483..52d0fab 100644
> > > > --- a/db.txt
> > > > +++ b/db.txt
> > > > @@ -693,8 +693,8 @@ country HR: DFS-ETSI
> > > >  # Harmonized CEPT countries (July 2019): https://www.ecodocdb.dk/download/25c41779-cd6e/Rec7003e.pdf
> > > >  # HR: http://tablice.hakom.hr:8080/vis?lang=en
> > > >       (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
> > > > -     (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > > > -     (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > > > +     (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > >
> > > Based on the translation I'm reading the 200 mW applied to elevations
> > > from 5 degrees to 30 degrees, and for elevations above 30 degress the
> > > limit is 125 mW. I'm not expeienced with regulations that vary with the
> > > elevation angle. Why should we use 200 mW instead of 125 mW, which is
> > > allowed for any elevation?
> >
> > You can see in the OD-86a that now 1W (30 dBm) EIRP is the maximum
> > allowed power.
> > Then in usage conditions, they state that if median EIRP power larger
> > than 200mW (23 dBm) is used then the listed
> > angle and power limits should be used.
> > That is why I used 200mW as it has no limitations associated.
>
> Right, but OD-86a applies to 5250-5350 MHz. I don't see this same
> statement in OD-85a.
>
> However, digging into it a little more, it looks like the elevation
> restrictions come from WRC-19 resolution 229 [1], which has more detail.
> Based on my reading of that it seems that the situation here actually is
> similar to that for 5250-5350 MHz, i.e. that 200 mW is the general limit
> but that operation at 1W is allowed subject to the stated elevation
> angle restrictions. So it sounds like the 200 mW limit for 5150-5250 MHz
> should be okay.
>
> [1] https://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-r/opb/act/R-ACT-WRC.14-2019-PDF-E.pdf

OD-85a covers 5150-5250 MHz and power limits for it have not changed,
they remain the same as before.
I simply remove the no-outdoor limit as it was dropped.
>
> > >
> > > > +     (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (200 mW), DFS, AUTO-BW, wmmrule=ETSI
> > >
> > > The translation of OD-86a I'm reading says "use mostly indoors." Is that
> > > an accurate translation? How does this compare to the language from
> > > OD-86? I'm a little unsure how to interpret it.
> >
> > Yes, it's accurate.
> > In OD-86 this was strictly written as "exclusive use indoors", Hakom
> > even stated in their press release that the
> > changes to OD-86 now allow outdoor usage.
> > https://www.hakom.hr/default.aspx?id=10442
> > It's in English.
> >
> > They are just trying to encourage the band to still be mostly used for
> > indoor stuff.
>
> Great, thanks for clarifying.
>
> I've applied the patch. Thanks!

Thanks,
Robert

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Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Croatia (HR)

[Seth Forshee]

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 09:44:19PM +0200, Andrej Vlašić wrote:
> On 15 October 2015 at 20:04, Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 08:31:24PM +0200, Andrej Vlasic wrote:
> >> Update frequency allocation rules to mach data from table [1].
> >>
> >> Also increase allowed power limit for range 5150-5250 Mhz to 200mW.
> >>
> >> [1] http://tablice.hakom.hr:8280/vis?lang=en
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: Andrej Vlasic <andrej.vlasic0@gmail.com>
> >> ---
> >>  db.txt | 14 ++++++++++----
> >>  1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
> >>
> >> diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> >> index d57ea84..3b36616 100644
> >> --- a/db.txt
> >> +++ b/db.txt
> >> @@ -504,11 +504,17 @@ country HN: DFS-FCC
> >>       (5490 - 5730 @ 160), (24), DFS
> >>       (5735 - 5835 @ 80), (30)
> >>
> >> +# Data from table of frequency allocations: http://tablice.hakom.hr:8280/vis?lang=en
> >> +# For 5ghz range see http://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_85.pdf
> >> +# and http://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_86.pdf
> >> +# and http://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_87.pdf
> >> +# TPC devices on range 5250-5350 can use 200mW, and 1W on range 5470-5725.
> >> +
> >>  country HR: DFS-ETSI
> >> -     (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
> >> -     (5170 - 5250 @ 80), (20), AUTO-BW
> >> -     (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (20), DFS, AUTO-BW
> >> -     (5490 - 5710 @ 160), (27), DFS
> >> +     (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
> >> +     (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
> >> +     (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW
> >> +     (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS
> >>       # 60 gHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
> >>       (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)
> >
> > In general the changes look okay to me and in line with the published
> > regulations (I couldn't read some of the documents you linked to, but
> > the limits do look to be in line with ERC/DEC/(01)07 and ECC/DEC/(04)08
> > which are referenced by the frequency allocation table).
> >
> > It seems pretty arbitrary to change from dBm to mW however, especially
> > for those rules whose power limit isn't actually changing. I'd prefer we
> > leave them in dBm for consistency, in which case I think we end up with:
> >
> > country HR: DFS-ETSI
> >         (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (20)
> >         (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
> >         (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW
> >         (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (27), DFS
> >         # 60 gHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
> >         (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)
> >
> > If that looks fine to you then I can fix it up when I apply the patch.
> 
> It's fine with me too like that.

Applied with the discussed changes. Thanks!

Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Croatia (HR)

[Andrej Vlašić]

On 15 October 2015 at 20:04, Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 08:31:24PM +0200, Andrej Vlasic wrote:
>> Update frequency allocation rules to mach data from table [1].
>>
>> Also increase allowed power limit for range 5150-5250 Mhz to 200mW.
>>
>> [1] http://tablice.hakom.hr:8280/vis?lang=en
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Andrej Vlasic <andrej.vlasic0@gmail.com>
>> ---
>>  db.txt | 14 ++++++++++----
>>  1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
>> index d57ea84..3b36616 100644
>> --- a/db.txt
>> +++ b/db.txt
>> @@ -504,11 +504,17 @@ country HN: DFS-FCC
>>       (5490 - 5730 @ 160), (24), DFS
>>       (5735 - 5835 @ 80), (30)
>>
>> +# Data from table of frequency allocations: http://tablice.hakom.hr:8280/vis?lang=en
>> +# For 5ghz range see http://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_85.pdf
>> +# and http://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_86.pdf
>> +# and http://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_87.pdf
>> +# TPC devices on range 5250-5350 can use 200mW, and 1W on range 5470-5725.
>> +
>>  country HR: DFS-ETSI
>> -     (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
>> -     (5170 - 5250 @ 80), (20), AUTO-BW
>> -     (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (20), DFS, AUTO-BW
>> -     (5490 - 5710 @ 160), (27), DFS
>> +     (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
>> +     (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
>> +     (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW
>> +     (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS
>>       # 60 gHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
>>       (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)
>
> In general the changes look okay to me and in line with the published
> regulations (I couldn't read some of the documents you linked to, but
> the limits do look to be in line with ERC/DEC/(01)07 and ECC/DEC/(04)08
> which are referenced by the frequency allocation table).
>
> It seems pretty arbitrary to change from dBm to mW however, especially
> for those rules whose power limit isn't actually changing. I'd prefer we
> leave them in dBm for consistency, in which case I think we end up with:
>
> country HR: DFS-ETSI
>         (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (20)
>         (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
>         (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW
>         (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (27), DFS
>         # 60 gHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
>         (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)
>
> If that looks fine to you then I can fix it up when I apply the patch.

It's fine with me too like that.

>
> Thanks,
> Seth

Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Croatia (HR)

[Seth Forshee]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 08:31:24PM +0200, Andrej Vlasic wrote:
> Update frequency allocation rules to mach data from table [1].
> 
> Also increase allowed power limit for range 5150-5250 Mhz to 200mW.
> 
> [1] http://tablice.hakom.hr:8280/vis?lang=en
> 
> Signed-off-by: Andrej Vlasic <andrej.vlasic0@gmail.com>
> ---
>  db.txt | 14 ++++++++++----
>  1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> index d57ea84..3b36616 100644
> --- a/db.txt
> +++ b/db.txt
> @@ -504,11 +504,17 @@ country HN: DFS-FCC
>  	(5490 - 5730 @ 160), (24), DFS
>  	(5735 - 5835 @ 80), (30)
>  
> +# Data from table of frequency allocations: http://tablice.hakom.hr:8280/vis?lang=en
> +# For 5ghz range see http://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_85.pdf
> +# and http://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_86.pdf
> +# and http://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_87.pdf
> +# TPC devices on range 5250-5350 can use 200mW, and 1W on range 5470-5725.
> +
>  country HR: DFS-ETSI
> -	(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
> -	(5170 - 5250 @ 80), (20), AUTO-BW
> -	(5250 - 5330 @ 80), (20), DFS, AUTO-BW
> -	(5490 - 5710 @ 160), (27), DFS
> +	(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
> +	(5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
> +	(5250 - 5350 @ 80), (100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW
> +	(5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS
>  	# 60 gHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
>  	(57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)

In general the changes look okay to me and in line with the published
regulations (I couldn't read some of the documents you linked to, but
the limits do look to be in line with ERC/DEC/(01)07 and ECC/DEC/(04)08
which are referenced by the frequency allocation table).

It seems pretty arbitrary to change from dBm to mW however, especially
for those rules whose power limit isn't actually changing. I'd prefer we
leave them in dBm for consistency, in which case I think we end up with:

country HR: DFS-ETSI
        (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (20)
        (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
        (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW
        (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (27), DFS
        # 60 gHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
        (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)

If that looks fine to you then I can fix it up when I apply the patch.

Thanks,
Seth

[PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Croatia (HR)

[Andrej Vlasic]

Update frequency allocation rules to mach data from table [1].

Also increase allowed power limit for range 5150-5250 Mhz to 200mW.

[1] http://tablice.hakom.hr:8280/vis?lang=en

Signed-off-by: Andrej Vlasic <andrej.vlasic0@gmail.com>
---
 db.txt | 14 ++++++++++----
 1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)

diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
index d57ea84..3b36616 100644
--- a/db.txt
+++ b/db.txt
@@ -504,11 +504,17 @@ country HN: DFS-FCC
 	(5490 - 5730 @ 160), (24), DFS
 	(5735 - 5835 @ 80), (30)
 
+# Data from table of frequency allocations: http://tablice.hakom.hr:8280/vis?lang=en
+# For 5ghz range see http://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_85.pdf
+# and http://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_86.pdf
+# and http://www.hakom.hr/UserDocsImages/op%C4%87e%20dozvole%20prosinac%202009.g/Opca_dozvola_87.pdf
+# TPC devices on range 5250-5350 can use 200mW, and 1W on range 5470-5725.
+
 country HR: DFS-ETSI
-	(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
-	(5170 - 5250 @ 80), (20), AUTO-BW
-	(5250 - 5330 @ 80), (20), DFS, AUTO-BW
-	(5490 - 5710 @ 160), (27), DFS
+	(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (100 mW)
+	(5150 - 5250 @ 80), (200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
+	(5250 - 5350 @ 80), (100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW
+	(5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS
 	# 60 gHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
 	(57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)
 
-- 
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